Converted to a signing bonus, freeing up $11 million for 2020.
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Extra cap space will come in handy. Kenny Clark's price tag just keeps rising and now's as good a time as any to lock him up.
Deal apparently doesn't affect current cap so guess not.
Clark & Bulaga are about to make money.
Thx Aaron Brady! I mean Tom Rodgers....errrr whatever.
Say hi to Gisele or Danica....
Great move! Again, cutting Linsley, Graham, and Taylor would save $21M alone. Add this $11M to our current projection of $26.7M and we could be sitting pretty with almost $60M of cap space with no crucial UFA’s to resign. We could afford help at MLB, WR2, AND resign Bulaga, KC, Jones, maybe even King.
I was thinking about how Jones and Williams will be free agents after next season and I’m not sure paying either of them is the best use of cap space.
Jones has low mileage, at least in NFL but not sure about college, so it’s less of a risk than say a Leveon Bell. That said, I think if you spend the money on the hogs up front you can get good production from a much cheaper RB.
I agree mostly on RBs, but tend to pause with Aaron Jones. The kid is only 25, fast, shifty and is a pretty damn good receiver. There are times when he's the best player on the field.
Grave Digger posted:Great move! Again, cutting Linsley, Graham, and Taylor would save $21M alone. Add this $11M to our current projection of $26.7M and we could be sitting pretty with almost $60M of cap space with no crucial UFA’s to resign. We could afford help at MLB, WR2, AND resign Bulaga, KC, Jones, maybe even King.
Damn... that's a shit-ton of cap space for Gute to play with.
Jones is a special back. I don’t think it would be wise to think of him as replaceable. We have gone basically this entire decade, sans a couple svelt Eddie Lacy seasons, without a true feature back. It wasn’t “critical” with 2011 Aaron Rodgers, but it’s critical with 2019 Aaron Rodgers. Jones is Christian McCaffrey level talent, we need to lock him down before the price tag goes up! Williams is more replaceable, but I would still like to see him resigned. He’s a hard downhill runner, a quality pass protector and receiver as well.
I think an excellent back is a must in MLF's offense. Jones fits the bill for a couple more years.
Grave Digger posted:Great move! Again, cutting Linsley, Graham, and Taylor would save $21M alone. Add this $11M to our current projection of $26.7M and we could be sitting pretty with almost $60M of cap space with no crucial UFA’s to resign. We could afford help at MLB, WR2, AND resign Bulaga, KC, Jones, maybe even King.
Why would you cut Linsley? He's not an all pro, but still he is a very serviceable center.
Because of all the great backup centers on the roster and it is easy just to draft one.
GBFanForLife posted:Because of all the great backup centers on the roster and it is easy just to draft one.
If we do draft a center, I hope his butt doesn't sweat as much as the Vikings' rookie center does.
Rodgers to Jimmy Graham....."Smell my finger"
The Jones quandary is coming. I’m going on record as saying I 100% support him in going after every penny he can get. At the same time, I 100% support the franchise in doing what’s best for them long term.
Those two things are gong to conflict.
I say sign both Jones and Williams. Jammal does what Jones doesn't.
Pakrz posted:Grave Digger posted:Great move! Again, cutting Linsley, Graham, and Taylor would save $21M alone. Add this $11M to our current projection of $26.7M and we could be sitting pretty with almost $60M of cap space with no crucial UFA’s to resign. We could afford help at MLB, WR2, AND resign Bulaga, KC, Jones, maybe even King.
Damn... that's a shit-ton of cap space for Gute to play with.
Getting rid of Linsley and Taylor would mean we need to draft their replacements, as well as depth there, and still draft a new RG and RT. As I said before, I think some of Linsley's problems come from RG Billy Turner blocking the wrong guy. Linsley will be double teamed and Turner will block an outside rusher with Bulaga, instead of helping Linsley in the A gap. I've seen this happen in a couple of games, now.
Boris posted:Rodgers to Jimmy Graham....."Smell my finger"
Linsley to Rodgers: "Pull my finger!"
fightphoe93 posted:GBFanForLife posted:Because of all the great backup centers on the roster and it is easy just to draft one.
If we do draft a center, I hope his butt doesn't sweat as much as the Vikings' rookie center does.
I think the first O Line guy drafted, in this next draft, will be Center Tyler Biadasz, from Wisconsin. He will go in the 1st round. Would we try to get him or do we try for an ILB like Kenneth Murray or Dylan Moses, with our pick near the bottom of the 1st Round?
I want an ILB in first round and agree that Turner is not helping Linesley
Packiderm posted:I say sign both Jones and Williams. Jammal does what Jones doesn't.
Which is?
He's a little slower & maybe pass blocks better?
Jones has been great at pass pro this year. So nothing other than being slower?
I think he's well liked in the locker room too. 😁
This is the issue with RB's like Williams. You can usually find a comparable one fairly easy.
What they need is the short yardage guy. Bring in some 230 lb thumper that's not a FB and then you have the compliment to Jones that we really need.
Williams is that thumper, doesn't get run over in pass pro, is a great change of pace, doesn't fumble, and is an excellent receiver.
PackerHawk posted:Jones has been great at pass pro this year. So nothing other than being slower?
Jones got ran over twice against the Bares
Williams is better in pass pro. That doesn't mean Jones sucks at it.
Patrick's extension may signal the end of Linsley's time in Green Bay.
MNPackman posted:Grave Digger posted:Great move! Again, cutting Linsley, Graham, and Taylor would save $21M alone. Add this $11M to our current projection of $26.7M and we could be sitting pretty with almost $60M of cap space with no crucial UFA’s to resign. We could afford help at MLB, WR2, AND resign Bulaga, KC, Jones, maybe even King.
Why would you cut Linsley? He's not an all pro, but still he is a very serviceable center.
A serviceable player C with an $8.5M cap hit is unacceptable to me. Lucas Patrick seems just as serviceable at a far lower price. There are good OL littered throughout the draft, as evidenced by our OL being made up of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders. We can find a replacement to compete with Patrick. Heck, Jenkins is a Center as well, so really we have the flexibility to find a Guard and shift him over. There’s no reason to clutch to Linsley and his bloated salary when we see rookies like Jenkins available to step in right away at a fraction of the cost. Same with Taylor.
Linsley had arguably his best game of the season against MIN, he also had a terrible game against SF. He’s a heady and smart pass protector and his size limits him at times in the run game. The OL are in a new system and Turner is new, there may be some communication issues that can be easily ironed out. If we keep Linsley then the OL will be fine, if they jettison him then I think the OL will also be fine. I think value wise though, there’s a solis argument for dropping both players. You lose experience, but is Linsley’s experience possibly worth more than affording a competent veteran WR?
Packiderm posted:PackerHawk posted:Jones has been great at pass pro this year. So nothing other than being slower?
Jones got ran over twice against the Bares
That doesn't erase all the times he's absolutely stoned a blitzer this year. Last year Williams was better at pass pro and a better receiver. Not this year.
And Williams has been taken down for a loss more than once this year in 3rd/4th and 1 situations. He's not the complimentary player we need for Jones if Jones is going to get a 2nd contract in Green Bay.
Williams is a good player but guys like him can be easily replaced. Jones is a special player and a difference-maker. GB hasn't had a dynamic player like that at the RB position for years. I think we'd have to go back to the Ahman Green days.
I still say resign Williams if reasonable. Jones has had 2 knee injuries. Plus no one is a better interview! You'all ain't changing my opinion. 
Detroit @ GB 2019. I believe Jones got banged up.
Jones: 11 rushes for 47 yds. with a long of 9
Williams: 14 rushes for 104 with a long of 45
Jones: 4 receptions for 13 yrds. long of 9
Williams 4 receptions for 32 with a long for 16
Don't re-sign Williams and Jones goes down: His replacement doesn't run worth a hill of beans. I can hear X-4 now, "Why didn't we try to re-sign Williams????"
I don't think anyone is saying "don't sign williams and don't find a replacement."
As with everyone, it's all about cost/reward. Runningbacks are so disposable in the NFL, it make Jones the tougher decision. If Williams isn't asking to much, of course he'd be welcomed back. Same with Martinez, I'm of the camp he's a good linebacker and makes the defense better, but I don't see him as a break the bank type linebacker. Bulaga is really the guy I want back and draft a couple hogs in the 3rd and 4th round (I still see WR in the first or second). I feel like Graham sticks around, even though he is producing next to nothing.
I'm, just like most of you, curious how Gutey works his magic following a superbowl victory in order to secure a couple more.
Grave Digger posted:Great move! Again, cutting Linsley, Graham, and Taylor would save $21M alone. Add this $11M to our current projection of $26.7M and we could be sitting pretty with almost $60M of cap space with no crucial UFA’s to resign. We could afford help at MLB, WR2, AND resign Bulaga, KC, Jones, maybe even King.
Linsley would have trade value as he is signed through 2020. Not a huge amount but he could be used for a draft pick or a move up. lots of teams looking for a starting caliber center.
I think you can develop those guys but immediate starters aren't usually available in the draft unless you'r willing to use a 1st or 2nd rounder on them. I think Patrick could be the next starter but my guess is that GB hangs onto Linsley through next year.
