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Packers OTA 6/2/15

Tipping my hat to an old friend EGF, here goes:

Another gorgeous day for practice, cool, crisp and sunny. Crowd sang Happy Birthday to Eddie Lacy to start, which was cool. Perry, Boyd, Neal, Montgomery and Vaughters look to be out. After stretching, players broke off into position groups, with OL v. DL drills highlighted.

Nice to get another up close look at both groups. Someone asked earlier about Tretter and Barclay, and I gave them both a longer look. Both seem larger, but difficult to compare, because everyone on this OL is either 2nd or 3rd year, or a truly massive rookie, like Ebbelle and Rotheram. Our OL looks really good physically, but not able to get much in shells with no pads.

As for the DL, I watched these guys ALOT today. It is difficult to get a read, because there is a ton of intensive instruction going on from coach Trgo. I have to preface DL work is a bit monotonous to watch in OTAs. Kind of like OL work. A lot of this stuff is half speed work to perfect technique. Then they will let it fly and it is over. Some players still make an impact when watching this stuff.

Khyri Thornton looks big. This is a massive wide body. He seemed to be moving well too, which was very good to see. Today was the best I have seen from Thornton these past two seasons in OTAs. Ringo is a guy who is getting a lot of attention from the coaches. He looks good. Most instruction on arm and hand use techniques, along with optional footwork techniques, which were kind of cool to watch. Quick, side hops in effect to gain position and leverage before a release to the QB or ball carrier.

Mike Daniels looks dynamite. Guion, Gaston and Pennel are mammoth. Pennel still requires work, but they are focusing on him too, and clearly see his potential. Datone looks good, as does Raji. All of these guys were really working hard through their drills. Now, this isn't pretty stuff. They are big. Hot day. Moving slow, getting hand movements, footwork, techniques down. I asked someone nearby what he thought of the DL, and he said "they're just a bunch of guys," which was fair given the lack of fire that I saw. Drills in shorts. Really have to take it for what it is.

The entire time I was watching DL drills, Eddie Lacy was behind them with a trainer working on nothing but conditioning. He did this the entire first half of practice. Thought that was interesting. He really does want to work on his speed and stamina. That is clear. Might have been a birthday gift from McCarthy, as I saw them both talking for quite a while at the half break of practice.

Got to watch QBs in their drill work as well as they were nearby, and I think many will like seeing Brett Hundley. He seemed to do very well, hitting the targets more often than not, and later showed a good grasp of the offense in working 11 on 11s and 7 on 7s. What a pick Ted made moving up to snare him in R5. Chicago ought to kick their own asses up and down for passing on this kid. He came in ready.

Fun exchange after the horn sounded signaling a break. Hundley called out to Datone Jones as all the groups were walking to the opposite side of the field, and rifled a bomb to him. Datone caught it, and fired a bomb right back to Hundley. This was fun to see, and really a recreation of a TD throw Hundley did throw to Datone Jones at UCLA two years ago.

Next was red zone drill, where James Starks made a really nice run up the middle for a score.  Davante Adams beautiful catch in the corner of the end zone for a score. Wow! Adams is looking like a total and complete stud. Just fantastic development from last year to this year. Pure confidence, and he is really dialed in with #12.

Backman nice out route to the right for another score. Weird, Backman is listed as 1" shorter and about 10 lbs lighter than Henry, but Backman just looks bigger. Our TE group is truly amazing. Richard Rodgers is bigger, and is catching everything as well as turning  upfield. Quarless looked very good, as always in practice. Personally, I love how he just goes to work. He is as solid as the day we won the Super Bowl with him. Perillo and Henry look good too. All of them made nice catches today, in bunches.

Raijon Neil also nice run up the middle for score. Blanchard made a beautiful QB draw up the middle for a score. Larry Pinkard also reached high on an out to the right for another TD. This kid is tough to ignore.

Two minute drill saw successful drive for TD with Rodgers at QB.  Adams handled Goodson most of the drive. Really handled him, for what I believe was 3 consecutive first downs. Nice pass from Rogers to Janis, of all people, in the back of the end zone on fourth down Janis looked far better today. He made some nice catches. Moving very well. This guy has amazing size and speed.

S Jean Fanor made a beautiful pick in the flat  on Hundley's first throw in the red zone drill.

I have to note here how difficult roster cuts will be at many position groups this year. I had that thought right after the red zone and two minute drills, and then numerous times throughout the day as I wandered back and forth between position groups. WR will be as tough as any. We have a ton of talent there. OL, LB, RB, TE stood out in this regard.

There was a pretty rigorous FG segment. Didn't get to see a lot, but when I did, Mason Crosby was kicking everything through the uprights. He looks very sharp with Tim Masthay holding for him most of the time. Ted Thompson was watching this all very closely. Must have to do with the rule changes on two point conversions, and possibility of changing holders with Cody Mandell competing with Masthay.

Other wide receivers of note: Number 11, Pinkard looks very, very good. He's tall, very smooth sure with in and out of his brakes. He just looks like he's got it - made a couple of nice the receptions. Blue made a nice grab. Abbrederis made a really nice catch on the sidelines. Good to see him working and performing well. I think they are keeping him out of the big stuff. But he did fine in 7 on 7 and unit drills that I saw. Also saw Coxson make a nice outstretched snare of a deep throw by Tolzien.

At LB, Peppers, Mulumba, Elliott, Rasco and Hubbard. Those are your pass rushers today, working exclusively in pass rush drills. All the other LBs were working exclusively on the inside in their own drills. Vaughters is out with Montgomery due to Stanford late finish and CBA rules.

Matthews again all day with ILB, starting alongside Barrington. Carl Bradford's fire has clearly returned. He was far and away the most inspired defender on the practice field, going all out. Ryan looks very strong. Dantzler forced a great fumble in an earlier drill.

Finally saw John Crockett. Had to really search him out, but I wanted to spend some time watching him. He looks pretty good, but oddly nondescript. I mean, he isn't a huge guy, isn't tall, isn't short. But you could tell he is hungry. Made two nice runs up the middle both for what would've been scores in unit drills.

Before I forget, CB and S drills had some nice results, outside of Blake dropping a couple throws rifled right at him at short distance. Rollins and Randall are stars here. These players look very good, incredibly fluid. Watched them both in two minute drills, with Randall starting outside and Rollins starting in the slot. Both of these guys can mirror receivers. Still, Randall couldn't stop the Rodgers-Adams connection for a 1st down. I thought Goodson struggled today.

Tay Glover-Wright made a couple of plays today. Ladarius Gunter looked like he came to play. I am liking this player quite a bit more than I thought I would. He seems really small in the hips, almost skinny. But Gunter can cover and is not afraid to get in there. Plus, he's 6-2.

Safeties worked separately. Micah Hyde worked exclusively with this group. Clinton-Dix and Morgan Burnett both made great plays on deep balls, intercepting them both in drills. Hyde too. Richardson is looking far improved over last year. He's a different guy, both in size and confidence. Good to see him make some plays. Banjo is a solid fighter. Still competing and making plays.

That's all I've got. If I can think of more I'll be sure to pass it along.
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Yeah, Goalline. Funny. You & I, and EGF posted together a LONG time ago, going back almost 20 years... Loved EGF's work. It was like pure gold to all of us out of state, unable to make the trek. Thought, while I'm back in Packerland, I could return the favor and keep it rolling. 

 

Did all I could to emulate his style and attention to detail. 

 

Glad to be back on x4

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I'll be honest, I didn't expect much out of Janis after he couldn't crack the active roster last year. Thought he wasn't able to decypher the offense, couldn't earn ARs trust, or was a world class screw up in practice. Maybe all 3. 

 

If he's actually able to get his ass on the field and put that 6'3" 4.4 speed to use then **** me, I don't know what anyone does to slow this offense up with guys like Adams and Dick Rodgers settling into bigger roles. 

 

Abbrederis, Montgomery. Good lord. 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

I'll be honest, I didn't expect much out of Janis after he couldn't crack the active roster last year. Thought he wasn't able to decypher the offense, couldn't earn ARs trust, or was a world class screw up in practice. Maybe all 3. 

 

If he's actually able to get his ass on the field and put that 6'3" 4.4 speed to use then **** me, I don't know what anyone does to slow this offense up with guys like Adams and Dick Rodgers settling into bigger roles. 

 

Abbrederis, Montgomery. Good lord. 

Yeah, no kidding. It is an insanely deep group at WR. I questioned Janis too. But, today he looked really solid. 

 

And, Davante Adams is all of that. Wow. What a player!!!!

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Originally Posted by Goalline:
Originally Posted by Trophies:
Originally Posted by Boris:
What was your old account?

I can probably re-activate it if you like.

wilder. Why not?

Ah, I remember you.

Well, I hope your memories are good. I always enjoyed posting with you and many others. Long time ago. Just took a long break from it. Learned a lot along the way. Actually got burned out with posting in a fan forum being equated to testimony in a court of law. This is about fun. That's the way I like to keep it. Packers football, and winning SuperBowl Trophies!!!!

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Hodkiewicz on Adams

 

"With (Cobb) in the slot, they can't double-team Jordy," Adams said. "They can't double-team me and vice versa with anybody because we all have the confidence and the ability to tear defenses up. When I heard he was back, I'm just thinking about getting a ring. I get to play beside two Pro Bowl wideouts who make me better every day."

 

 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

I'll be honest, I didn't expect much out of Janis after he couldn't crack the active roster last year. Thought he wasn't able to decypher the offense, couldn't earn ARs trust, or was a world class screw up in practice. Maybe all 3. 

 

If he's actually able to get his ass on the field and put that 6'3" 4.4 speed to use then **** me, I don't know what anyone does to slow this offense up with guys like Adams and Dick Rodgers settling into bigger roles. 

 

Abbrederis, Montgomery. Good lord. 

 

Rich getting richer.

Originally Posted by packerboi:
 

Rich getting richer.

There isn't a middle class anymore

 

I don't believe ILB is as huge a "need" as some fans perceive. Sure it would be great to have a Ray Lewis type in his prime but health is the biggest key for our success this season.

 

Randall Cobb said it best on the Rich Eisen show. We control the things we can control. When we play our game, nobody can beat us.

Originally Posted by pkr_north:

nice job, reading your post, what is intriguing is how TT will handle the depth at some spots when it comes to cut down - and reading around the nfl yesterday, kendricks doesn't think he's going to stay in philly, can TT work some magic and turn a 'plenty' of wr's into a kendricks. that would be magical.

Ted is definitely going to have some chips to play with. Not sure how teams will respond, as they mostly just wait till cutdowns and take their chances. Not  lot of deadline trading anymore. 

 

Also wonder if we need ILB anymore. That position looks awfully deep. They all do. This is looking like a very good, solid, team deep in talent. 

Great stuff, thanks for posting! Good to hear Davante may be taking the next step as he had a solid rookie year (albeit with some ups and downs). Same for Dick Rodgers. And I will second the hopes for Janis, he could be a really interesting wrinkle in the O if he lives up to his physical ability...a 6'4" receiver with 4.4 speed in the Slot! That's a killer option as you don't normally see guys who are big AND fast AND quick enough to play that Slot role. If he gets PT this season he will get some favorable 1on1 match-ups so I hope he will be up to the task. All eyes will be on Cobb, Nelson, Adams, and Lacy so there will be tons of opportunities for guys like Dick Rodgers, Quarless, Janis, Monty, Starks, etc.

One thing I learned while watching Rajion Neal at UT: don't count him out. He seemed like an afterthought every year at UT and he kept making himself relevant. His Senior year UT leaned on him big time due to erratic QB play and little depth at RB and defenses knew that and he still would grind out yards every week. Crockett may be a hot name, but don't count out Rajion. He just gets the job done.

As good a rundown of an OTA as ever.  Much appreciated.  Welcome back, hope you stay.

 

This is rich folk problems but the only "problem" with all the talent at WR is that only so many can produce at the same time.  It takes reps and continuity to get in the zone with the QB and that doesn't happen if you're rotating 6 guys.  We're in great shape if there is an injury though.  Maybe a gadgety play or two here or there.  But largely it will be the big C-A-N show.  OH, and we should be in much better shape for that trip to the SB clinching onside kick recovery next January.

Grave Digger, I remember you too. Good to reconnect. It has probably been 10+ years since I posted here.

You bring up a great point on the battle for that #3 RB position. Neal is looking very good.

Also, listing off our skill players, we've yet to see Ty Montgomery! Wow. McCarthy has never before had so many weapons at his disposal. We can easily go 5 wide, run 3 TE sets, classic 2 back sets with a true FB to lead the way in Ripkowski. Employ Montgomery or Cobb out of the backfield, or both!  The possibilities are endless.

If we can get our defense straightened out along with our STs, look out NFL.
Glad to see you found your way back!

I'm really interested in Ripkowski. I like Kuhn just fine, but I'd love to see more of a smash mouth, road paving FB. Kuhn is good at a lot of things, pass pro being the biggest, but he's passed his prime in terms of being able to plow through LBs to clear the whole, he's more of a technician at this stage. I'm not putting the blame squarely on him, but I think more of a pounding FB would help with the short yardage issues. I'm not getting my hopes up with Ripkowski, but he's the kind of FB Green Bay needs to have the running game take the next step.
Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
Glad to see you found your way back!

I'm really interested in Ripkowski. I like Kuhn just fine, but I'd love to see more of a smash mouth, road paving FB. Kuhn is good at a lot of things, pass pro being the biggest, but he's passed his prime in terms of being able to plow through LBs to clear the whole, he's more of a technician at this stage. I'm not putting the blame squarely on him, but I think more of a pounding FB would help with the short yardage issues. I'm not getting my hopes up with Ripkowski, but he's the kind of FB Green Bay needs to have the running game take the next step.

Agree 100% Forgot to mention Ripkowski made a great catch in the flat out of the backfield and turned it up nicely in the two minute drills. Good to see that again from a FB in GB!

Trophies -

Any thoughts on the new DL coach Jerry Montgomery ? I know you posted about Trgo, wondering if you saw/heard anything from the new guy

 

Also, I read that Jerry Montgomery coached LB Jake Ryan prior to heading to Oklahoma- he may have been able to offer some insight to TT. Or not

Originally Posted by Satori:

Trophies -

Any thoughts on the new DL coach Jerry Montgomery ? I know you posted about Trgo, wondering if you saw/heard anything from the new guy

 

Also, I read that Jerry Montgomery coached LB Jake Ryan prior to heading to Oklahoma- he may have been able to offer some insight to TT. Or not

I'm a big fan of the Jerry Montgomery hire. He has a commanding presence, and I felt we needed new blood coaching the DL. 

 

In 8 years coaching at Michigan and Oklahoma his teams went 72-33. He's smart, a former co-coordinator on defense at Oklahoma. Has 4 years experience coaching 3-4. He was considered a top recruiter, so, he clearly knows how to communicate with players. His DLs helped Oklahoma run D rankings climb from #72 to #20 in the two seasons he was there according to Football Outsiders. 

 

He's huge. Booming voice. Helped run a number of drills. Seems he and Trgovac will take our DL where they need to go. 

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