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Packers seek perfect matchups at cornerback

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by Michael Cohen on SA/08/27/16

The mistake surfaced roughly 10 days before when quarterback Philip Rivers of the San Diego Chargers... 

... the veritable slashing by Rivers felt like a sucker punch for Whitt, who had wanted to pull the trigger on a bold lineup change. After studying the Chargers on film, Whitt believed undrafted rookie LaDarius Gunter might make the best foil.

“I was scared to do it,” Whitt said at the time. “I knew he would probably match up well against those receivers, and I didn't do it. So that's on me, because I have to do what I think is right. I didn't do it. I get paid pretty good money to make those decisions, but I didn't get it done. I kick myself for that.”

The Packers, dripping with young, athletic corners, have the depth and variety of talent to play matchups on a week-to-week basis. Lineups, positions and playing time are all subject to variation depending on the skill sets of opposing receivers, and Whitt will make his decisions based on film study and practice evaluations.

 Now, the majority of players flow through all four positions — both perimeter spots, nickel back and dime back — like pieces of equipment along an assembly line, and the ultimate goal is seamless interchangeability.... continue

 

Lot's more past the click. Worth the read and reminds me of MM's comments at the combine this year.  

“We need to be a championship defense,” McCarthy said last week at the NFL scouting combine, essentially repeating what he’d said in a press conference the week before. “So we took a step toward that last year, but we need to take another step.”

McCarthy said he’s in the second year of a three-year plan with the defense, though he shared no details on what that actually means. continue

 

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McGinn: Brice, Evans show they belong

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by Bob Mcginn on SU/08/27/16

A personnel man for one team said he’d recommend claiming Brice on waivers if the Packers released him. He made that statement before Brice looked like the best player on the field against the 49ers in his third straight ultra-impressive showing.

The Packers aren’t cutting Brice. It would be akin to releasing a first- or second-round draft choice. That’s about the level at which Brice has performed. 

Just as Brice did earlier, (Marwin)  Evans closed hard and fast after a reception by Bell to deliver a punishing tackle. Then he read a sideline pattern from somewhere near the hash mark and used his 4.47 speed to sprint for the boundary and make an eye-popping interception.

 Evans is almost as off-the-charts athletically as Brice but is bigger at 5-11½, 208. He still looks like the perfect candidate to groom as a hybrid safety because of his size, speed and instincts. Based on the past five weeks, he probably should have been drafted in the third or fourth round.

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Oak Creek's Marwin Evans emerging for Packers

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by Bob Mcginn on 08/26/16

“If the Packers let him go, they’ll play against him,” one personnel man said. “You can’t tackle as well as this guy tackled and run 4.4 and not have a place.”

Evans, a rookie free agent from Utah State, was a hard-hitting tackling machine last Thursday night against Oakland. In just 20 snaps, he tackled ball carriers four times for a net of two yards, dove head-long into a 330-pound tackle to strip blocking on another play and delivered not one but two wicked blocks on Josh Hawkins’ long interception return.

Evans, 5 feet 11 1/2 inches and 208 pounds, possessed the exceptional athletic ability the Packers desire in free agents. His coming-out party of a pro day April 6 included a 4.47-second 40-yard dash, a 42-inch vertical jump and 19 reps on the bench press.

To provide perspective, his vertical jump was better than any of the 300-plus players at the combine and his bench press tied for third among defensive backs.

Evans ruefully remembers junior day in spring 2015 when a scout from one of the scouting combines passed through Logan, Utah, to measure, weigh, time and administer the Wonderlic to the Aggies’ potential NFL prospects.

Like others, Evans had no idea that a low score could carry such a black mark in the draft process. The Wonderlic is a timed test of precisely 12 minutes, and he gave it short shrift.

“I was drinking a lot of water that day or something and throughout the test I was using the bathroom,” Evans said. “To tell you the truth, I really didn’t think much of it. I kind of messed up on that. I wish I could go back and try some more on that.”

 

Evans has his degree in sociology with a minor in criminal justice. His career goal after football is a job with the FBI.

“That surprises me,” Mike Bartholomew, his coach at Oak Creek, said of Evans’ test score. “He’s never been not able to do things academically. He just wasn’t real focused academically. That’s why he had to go the JC route. He just got it figured out a little bit later than other kids.” continue

 

McGinn had a lengthy discussion about Marwin Evans on his podcast this week.  Skip ahead to 13:10 if you want to get straight to it 

http://media.jrn.com/audio/Pac...+Podcast+8-24-16.mp3

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If the Packers field a Championship quality defense, they're not going to lose very many games.

My biggest concern is the D-Line & stopping the run, because everyone knows our ILB'ers suck

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Kenny Clark's back injury is a big concern for me.  They say it's minor,  but minor can get worse quick at his position and the way he has to play.  It's not like they can limit his snaps when the season hits either.  They need him to play.  It's going to be tight until Pennel gets back.  

Boris posted:

If the Packers field a Championship quality defense, they're not going to lose very many games.

My biggest concern is the D-Line & stopping the run, because everyone knows our ILB'ers suck

They'll be fine if Daniels and Barrington get back healthy.

Boris posted:

If the Packers field a Championship quality defense, they're not going to lose very many games.

My biggest concern is the D-Line & stopping the run, because everyone knows our ILB'ers suck

Did the Packers change defensive coordinators and I missed it?

Boris posted:

If the Packers field a Championship quality defense, they're not going to lose very many games.

My biggest concern is the D-Line & stopping the run, because everyone knows our ILB'ers suck

I think they should just jettison the ILB position and have DBs roaming like a herd of raptors.

Boris posted:

Well, in Dom's defense he did win a Super Bowl.

MM said he had a 3 year plan for the D. This is year 2. Let's see what happens

The more and more you look at that defense the more and more you have to give TT the nod.  The collection of talent, particularly Woodson with all those young guys killed it.  

The forward planning is great, they just forgot to get someone to actually implement on a day to day basis.  Theoretical defenses are getting old.

I like Whitt's thinking: use the best players for the matchups. Dom's thinking seems to be: I want to execute my defense no matter the matchups or who or what. I like Whitt's flexibility and willingness to adjust -- now he just has to stay firm and do it...

It's all about matchups now & being dynamic in your approach - aka Multiples as MM likes to say. Static defenses will be beat routinely.

I like the "Raptor" approach. Great name for a defense too. Raptor package

That's another thing about Woodson.  Have you ever seen such absurd DB blitzes?  If the Packers currently had one DB that could get home like that on a semi-regular basis it would be a boon to the front 7 and it's question marks to start the season.

Boris posted:

If the Packers field a Championship quality defense, they're not going to lose very many games.

My biggest concern is the D-Line & stopping the run, because everyone knows our ILB'ers suck

I know it's preseason but I've been pleasantly suprised with run d.  The major blemish last week was Peppers not keeping contain on the Hyde run.   Interior has been good.

If Evans is truly a 4.47  40 yard guy and can hit as hard as the article suggests he can replace Janis as a gunner. And with the injury and lack of route running it's good bye Janis. 

Boris posted:

It's all about matchups now & being dynamic in your approach - aka Multiples as MM likes to say. Static defenses will be beat routinely.

That is why you see all the hybrid stuff and 200lb guys at some LB positions at the college level these days.  Could it be the pros are finally catching on? 

Judicious use of the IR.
Janis going wouldn't be that bad of an idea, as it can allow him some further developmental time. That would open up one spot.
Crockett may be another, so that's 2 spots right there.

Henry posted:

That's another thing about Woodson.  Have you ever seen such absurd DB blitzes?  If the Packers currently had one DB that could get home like that on a semi-regular basis it would be a boon to the front 7 and it's question marks to start the season.

No doubt. I don't know the win/fail percentage of our LB blitzes, but my eyes tell me they get stonewalled more often that not.
Would love to see more blitzing from the DB positions!

Ghost of Lambeau posted:

If we keep Evans and Brice, it is already a crowded DB field.  How do we keep them?  Anyone got some ideas? 

They probably can't but to get something for them instead of letting some team pick them up for nothing would be nice.  I think TT has to show he's ready to keep them to be able to stir up any interest.  I think Ammo is right about Evans.  That solves two problems if you ask me and makes room for a legit development project at WR.   If they could get one reliable back up/developing D- line player it would be nice.

 

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If these guys are as athletic as advertised then it GB could just keep fewer CBs and more Safeties (Brice and Evans). Hyde is a tweener CB anyway, so if you keep 4 CBs (Shields, Randall, Rollins, Gunter) then you can 6 Safeties, which is not ridiculous when you think they generally keep 9 DBs total. They could even keep one fewer ILB seeing as how they're dropping Burnett more in to the box. The way Haha hits also you could drop him down occasionally and keep one of these athletic youngsters deep in his place.

Henry posted:

That's another thing about Woodson.  Have you ever seen such absurd DB blitzes?  If the Packers currently had one DB that could get home like that on a semi-regular basis it would be a boon to the front 7 and it's question marks to start the season.

I think HHCD might be that guy... year 3 is the year Collins made the leap. I think HHCD can too...

Ghost of Lambeau posted:
Boris posted:

It's all about matchups now & being dynamic in your approach - aka Multiples as MM likes to say. Static defenses will be beat routinely.

That is why you see all the hybrid stuff and 200lb guys at some LB positions at the college level these days.  Could it be the pros are finally catching on? 

The pros have tried it before. Taylor Mays and our own Sean Richardson fit the bill. Ryan Shazier too, but he's injured too often, not unlike Richardson. That's because you are asking "small" guys to do a Big Guys' job

In most defenses, the LBs are responsible for filling run gaps. When a guard pulls, he's 325 lbs moving toward the hole. The 200lbs hybrids are no match, so even though they get there in a hurry, they can't do much about it. 

There are some teams that are using that concept, like AZ, but you really need to find the right guy. Taylor Mays wasn't the right guy, Deone Buchannon looks like he is a great fit

But he only plays about 65 % of the snaps because he is a liability in base defense. The hybrids are great in nickel defense for covering RBs and TEs, but get killed vs the run.

Zero sum game; if you do more of this, we'll do more of that. Capers does like the heavy nickel and tried Richardson and now Burnett in that role, preferring 3 safeties on the field over 3 CBs.

Woodson was the joker and you really didn't know what he was doing on any given play, once in a generation player. They are trying some of that trickery with Damarious Randall who played both safety and CB in college, working him both inside and outside in TC.

FLPACKER posted:

A lot is dependent on our offense. The more we can score and play with the lead, the less we have to worry about defending the run, &  get more DBs on the field. 

Yuppers, this.

Let's go O!

It's not necessarily about dropping A Safety down or having a "hybrid" height/weight/speed player, it's about the specific player and what they can do. Plenty of players were/are as big and fast or even as athletic as Charles Woodson, but none of them could do the things he could do because he was special. The Cardinals don't play Buchanon in the box part time because he's big or can hit, he's not nearly as big or athletic as some of the guys we have seen like Taylor Mays, but he has the instincts to make an impact at that position. Not every Safety can drop down and play ILB, that's why you see so few teams do it. It requires you to only have that unique/special player, but also you have to have the depth at S to make it work. 

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