Packers special teams

This is where the newfangled stats are BS.  Everyone knows there were at least two ST plays more damaging than those in the 2014 NFCCG.

@Fedya posted:

This is where the newfangled stats are BS.  Everyone knows there were at least two ST plays more damaging than those in the 2014 NFCCG.

The fake FG TD was only a difference of 4 points since Seattle was almost guaranteed a FG on that play anyway and the Seahawks still had to go 50 yards after the Bostick play, which is why the formulas have them lower.

The “youngest team in the league” shows up even more on special teams personnel. Notice how the good special teamer they let walk made maybe the biggest play against them last night. Who are the Packers’ special teams standouts?

Difficult to argue that the team has got a good ROI with the Bisaccia hiring.

@Herschel posted:

The “youngest team in the league” shows up even more on special teams personnel. Notice how the good special teamer they let walk made maybe the biggest play against them last night. Who are the Packers’ special teams standouts?

I believe Wilson is highly regarded as a STer, but he has to play LB too often due to injuries. Also, I believe Zayne Anderson is one of your ST "Aces", and he's been out for several games.

@PackLandVA posted:

I believe Wilson is highly regarded as a STer, but he has to play LB too often due to injuries. Also, I believe Zayne Anderson is one of your ST "Aces", and he's been out for several games.

Those were the two I could think of, as well.

@michiganjoe posted:

Difficult to argue that the team has got a good ROI with the Bisaccia hiring.

Definite improvement over Mo Dray...but the bar was low.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

The more things change, the more things stay the same. Is there something about the culture of the Packers over the last 15 years that makes this more likely? This list doesn't even include the fake FG TD and the Bostick onside kick against the Seahawks in January 2015.

This article is behind a paywall, but worth the read if you have access. Here's a couple of excerpts.

https://www.nytimes.com/athlet...ers-playoff-drought/

• The start: Green Bay owns seven of the NFL’s worst 37 special-teams EPA performances (19 percent) in the playoffs since 2008 despite accounting for only 24 of the 378 individual team postseason appearances (6 percent) over that span, per TruMedia.

Damaging as the turnover was, this was only the fourth-costliest special teams play for Green Bay in the playoffs since 2008, per TruMedia. The top three: Eric Weems’ 102-yard kickoff return for a touchdown for Atlanta after the 2010 season (-6.1 EPA); Jeremy Ross’ muffed punt against San Francisco after the 2012 season (-5.5); and the blocked punt San Francisco returned for a touchdown after the 2021 season (-5.3).

The Packers did not play Atlanta in the playoffs after the 2010 season.

@MNPackman posted:

The Packers did not play Atlanta in the playoffs after the 2010 season.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/...5001/packers-falcons

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

The more things change, the more things stay the same. Is there something about the culture of the Packers over the last 15 years that makes this more likely? This list doesn't even include the fake FG TD and the Bostick onside kick against the Seahawks in January 2015.

The Packers also muffed (and recovered) the first punt in the Super Bowl against the Steelers.

I stand corrected. For some reason I was think the cowboys.

It's almost like Desmond Howard's 1996 season used up all their special teams excellence and the past 30 years have been an attempt by the football gods to even that out.

It defies explanation.

There have been enough different ST coordinators to make one think it's not a coaching problem. Unless the Packers have this uncanny knack of getting the worst possible coordinator/coach for the last 25 years. And counting.

The same goes for HCs. There have been enough different ones that one would think at least one of them would want to make ST performance a priority. It would be hard to believe that everybody since Holmgren had a 'f-it' attitude as long as they had a K and a P.

There's certainly been enough different players over that same time span to make one think it shouldn't be a player problem. AMOF, Green Bay has had some ST 'aces' over the years, but I can't recall them ever playing well as a unit.

FWIW, I think it it's mostly a player problem. Just one player can have a mental breakdown and/or use poor or incorrect technique on any ST play and it can change the game in any number of ways.