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GREEN BAY, Wis. -- When Packers cornerback Tramon Williams initially injured his right shoulder in Week 1 of last season, the team described it as a bruise, news that coach Mike McCarthy called "positive" at the time.

Nine months later, given the poor condition of Williams' shoulder, it's safe to assume that original diagnosis was inaccurate.

"We did strength tests on my shoulder (in early June) and it was at about 50 percent when they tested," Williams said on the last day of the team's offseason programs. "It probably was worse during the season. It was bad. I hadn't done anything on it for a while, trying to heal it up a little bit. I started my rehab process, did that for a couple weeks, then we did the strength test to see where we were.

"They tested my strong arm, which is my left arm, and then the right arm, and my right arm was significantly weaker than my left arm. And this is my dominant arm, my right arm, so it was weak. Let's just say that.

"It was terrible. If I hold my arm right here and told you to push it, I couldn't do it, I couldn't even hold it up, still."

Williams, 29, who excelled in bump-and-run coverage in prior seasons, may never be that type of cornerback again. Considering the lack of progress that his right shoulder has made despite not taking any hits to it since the Packers' season ended on Jan. 15 -- more than five months ago -- Williams mentioned that it's possible he'll only participate on a limited basis throughout training camp starting in late July.

"I've done some testing in the offseason, I've done an EMG test, which tests the nerves," Williams said. "The left side, everything was fine, 100 percent. And they got to the right side, and some of the nerve was firing right. Then they got to the spot where I got hit at, and it showed a significant difference that the nerve wasn't firing like the rest of my nerves were.

"The nerve might have been firing at maybe 15 percent."

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"Last year, the coaches knew what my situation was," Williams said. "I think they tried to plan around it. I know they tried to plan around it. They might not tell you and they might not say it, but I know they tried to plan around it.

"The way this defense is run, it's kind of hard to do that. There's a lot of moving parts to it. Obviously you have to have guys who know what they're doing out there. You can't make too many errors out there. That's why I played the way I played."



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Article isn't real encouraging that Williams shoulder will be healing anytime soon. When you hear "nerve damage" that has to worry you. As has been said time and again, pass rush does wonders to heal DB woes. So if GB can get pressure, the CB's will all look a lot better.

Still, have to wonder whether we'll see House or the rookie Casey Heyward may be seeing the field sooner then anyone thinks.
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Re-injury would certainly be a concern, but for me much bigger one is that he's 9 months out and they just tested his shoulder this month and he's at 50%. Granted according to him that's better then it was when he hurt it but that's a pretty slow recovery.

We're about 10 weeks out from the start of the season. I sure as hell hope he'll make progress but is it realistic to think that will heal another 50% in about 10 weeks?
my understanding with nerve damage is that you can't predict the healing cycle. Tramon's is taking awhile and probably won't be 100% going into the season but it will be better than it was. I just hope he can avoid reinjury.

Where's the HGH? Wink
Sounds like he is Done. Either needs surgery (out a long time) or they are considering keeping him as an extra d-back. Is House or the kid from Vandy an option? Check that a above average option?
Not good. Just like the Collins injury it was a freakish play. Just rewatched saints game the other day and the D was bringing it that game Wynn had a monster game. What happened the rest of the year?
Don't get where "he's done" and PUP come into the equation based on the article. He's healing. Maybe slowly, but he's better today than he was in 2011.

Reading news like this makes me convinced Peyton Manning is in for a tough year.
Tells you what the coaches felt about the depth at corner when Tramon with one arm is better than anyone behind him. It's a concern, but too early to push the panic button and I expect he'll be fine by the time the season starts.
They have three young guys they can shape at the moment but I fully expect to see more DBs drafted over the next couple of years. Basically, Tramon is playing at a lower level for him, which in comparison is still better than half the DBs in the league.

There's your half full perspective at this point. Let's see how he heals when the season rolls around.
That's right. Even with reduced arm strength, he will still be a more physical player than Sam Shields. Smiler

I know JB has him retiring, but his arm is improving. I just might take a bit. Odds are he will be fine.
"He's done" at this point is simply ridiculous. There is nowhere in that article that states this is career threatening.

The shoulder is healing and he is improving. Per that article and the JSO one, his strength was down to 15%. Now at 50. The bigger question for me is at what percent recovered will he be come September. From my understanding, nerve injuries can regenerate and that may be why it's taking as long as it has.

House and Casey will undoubtedly get long looks at TC and one or both should get rep's with the #1's. Knowing MM's history on how he handles injuries, wouldnt exactly shock me if House or Hayward are starting game 1 or at least rotating in there to give Williams some rest.
Dang! Well if he's only at 50% now, that's pretty discouraging. What makes you think he can still be effective this season? Maybe instead of trading JJ for an experienced running back, we should trade him for another corner.

Oh yeah, I'm sure you'll have some very entertaining responses to that one!
Actually, after reading all the posts, the one that strikes me the most is the whole nerve damage, slow healing comment. My nephew suffered nerve damage and that is what he was told.

I just hope the rigors of the NFL do not retard or worse yet disallow nerve healing. If not, it's a waiting game and until healed Tramon will be less able to do certain aspects of the position well (such as the whole pushing the receiver with both arms). He just won't have the strength.
Bummer. I'm not aware of any instance of these nerve injuries where the healing process suddenly accelerated. They always seem like a long road back.

I don't understand why this information wasn't kept hush hush either. They're not obligated to disclose any of it right now and it puts a bulls-eye on him as an area for an offense to attack.

I'd rather they stash Tramon on the PUP than stress his diminished shoulder with two games in the first five days of the season. Especially when those two games feature the 49ers who are going to try to pound the ball and the Bears with Forte and Marshall.

Bottom line for me is if he can't tackle he shouldn't be on the field. There's already one tackling liability in Shields and having two on the field means both edges are weak and easy to exploit. If he can't tackle I'd rather throw the young guys into the fire and see if they develop.
http://espnmilwaukee.com/commo...og&r=40&post_id=7557

Tramon says RELAX, he'll be fine. Worry if you want but he'll be fine.

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Setting the record straight again on Thursday, Williams said: “The shoulder’s doing fine. I’m still rehabbing it at this point, everything’s looking good. Structurally the shoulder is doing well. It’s more of a nerve thing at this point. I’m going to use the example I used in the locker room: During the season, I couldn’t lift a 30, 35 pound dumbbell over my head. Now I’m up to a 90 pound dumbbell. I’m not a doctor, but that’s progress.”

Williams explained that he was hit by Collins on the supraspinatus nerve, which is located at the top of the shoulder near the shoulder blade. He called it “a rare hit, a rare injury. Most guys never get hit in that spot, and it’ll probably never happen again. It shut down my shoulder at that point, so I was playing basically with one arm.”
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Originally posted by sschumer:
"Tramon will be playing for his future": http://packerupdate.net/?p=19079
The first comment in the comments section of the above url I think nailed it and reflects my post (nephew who suffered nerve damage).

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Nerd on June 26, 2012 at 2:13 pm

Peripheral nerves heal, it’s just a slow process. Think maybe a milimeter a day on a good day. Being a pro athlete, Tramon probably knows alot of stuff to promote that, but it’s still a slow process.


Think maybe a milimeter a day on a good day.

He should be fine. It's just a slow heal, but a well understood one.

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