The fan situation is a perfect example of something I suggest several weeks ago when it looked like this team wasn't going to win another game. The stadium will get more and more filled with opposing team's fans and it's going to suck. But we'll let that one lie for now.
@MichiganPacker posted:Positives.
I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers at 3 years and 150 million AND Jordan Love at 1 year and 5 million in 2023 than Dak Prescott in the middle of a 4 year, 160 million contract.
I’ve thought Prescott has been overrated for most of his career. He had a fantastic rookie year, but he had probably the best O-Line in the NFL in front of him at the time.
He’s a pretty good NFL starting QB, but he’s getting paid like a franchise QB which he isn’t.
#12 had a Passer Rating of 146, finally a triple number.
If I were to give both a positive AND a negative to a player, it would be to Watson. Three touchdowns have to be a positive! Yet he is still pretty raw. Yet, in time, he can be great when healthy. I expect mixed performances in the future and hope the good continues to outweigh the bad.
@PackerPatrick posted:If I were to give both a positive AND a negative to a player, it would be to Watson. Three touchdowns have to be a positive! Yet he is still pretty raw. Yet, in time, he can be great when healthy. I expect mixed performances in the future and hope the good continues to outweigh the bad.
Doubs and Watson are a pretty good haul for one draft class at WR and the WR looks pretty good in 2023 and beyond. However, expecting them to be NFL-ready WRs on opening day was too much to expect from anyone, let alone small-school guys.
The real problem was that the FO's approach to get by (at least during the acclimation process for their rookies) was to pray that Randall Cobb remained healthy all year and that Sammy Watkins was going to be an adequate WR. I know Cobb is here because Rodgers want's him, but the 6 million in cap space invested in those two could have been better allocated.
I wonder what is going on with Kenny Clark? Have heard nothing about any injuries. He was dominant early in the year but has been invisible the last three weeks. We need him to play better this week vs. Tenn o-line.
Been playing very high number of snaps, could be wearing down a bit. A guy who's been as good as Clark for as long as he has doesn't just forget how to play well. He's injured or fatigued. Not old enough to be breaking down career wise but he has played a ton of snaps in his career so far.
I'm curious about Wyatt's injury. I saw some cut ups on twitter showing he is having an impact on the snaps he gets but for whatever reason isn't getting more snaps. I hope he's processing the speed of the NFL. I would really hate to call him Wyatt Derp.
@H5 posted:"So proud of you guys."
— Green Bay Packers (@packers) November 14, 2022
Go inside an emotional #Packers locker room after Sunday's 14-point comeback win. 🎥#DALvsGB | #GoPackGo pic.twitter.com/aSMAT1Jtu3
Except for you, Amari.
Henceforth, he's Calamari Rodgers...he's more squid than NFL player...
+ I never get tired of beating the Cowboys
+ it is a bit ironic or maybe it's because I'm wrong, plus it is early in the development period...but we are 4-6 while this year appears to be Gute's best draft class. Walker like Watson has the chance to develop into a special player-and the other picks are all looking good enough with a question mark on Rhyan
Positive + This game was my Super Bowl this year. I hope I am wrong of course!
I like our defense better with Ford and McDuffie on the field....they can tackle. I love Walker's athleticism in space but he can't "trigger" quickly on run plays between the tackles or get off blocks. I'd like to see him play some as an edge rusher (especially with Gary out). When Campbell comes back I'm hoping they still find a way to play McDuffie on run downs.
Quay’s strength is pass rush and pass coverage. His run fits are poor. With Gary on the shelf, Dingle Barry would do well to blitz him more.
I like him blitzing from the edge where he can use his speed rather than from the inside.
Favorite game stat: Dallas 195-1 when leading by 14 points or more in the fourth quarter or later.
Not much more to be said than others have already, but It’s a damn good day when we beat the Cowboys, Bears, Vikings or Broncos. Special win, and we got to see some fire I haven’t seen this season. Watson could be a weapon if he can stay healthy and work on his craft. Teams are going to start double teaming him starting the next game, so we’ll see how he handles that and how the Packers take advantage of it.
Amari should not only never field another kick, he should never hit the field again for this team. Disappointed it took the team this long to bench him.
@Blair Kiel posted:Thrilled with the win and I sincerely hope going forward that any of you people (TM) who have hoped for losses in order to secure a better draft (that’s a loser mentality and if you have it, I bet you lose a lot) but I simply can’t get past LaFleur’s suicidal use of Amari Rodgers. Is it blindness, arrogance or stupidity? It’s definitely one of those things.
I think due to past success Lafleur has been stubborn thinking things will turn around but they didn’t.
++ Finally we were the team they talked about in preseason, run the ball, play action and stingy defense.
- -Lafleur tends to be too loyal in my opinion and needs to make corrections and adjustments sooner.
But we won a big one. Let’s see if we can stack success. 😉
Q: how long can we carry 3 kicking specialists?
@GreenBayLA posted:- -Lafleur tends to be too loyal in my opinion and needs to make corrections and adjustments sooner.
This. ⇑ MLF tends to stick with guys even when they don't deserve it. For some reason, he has had faith in Amari R when the guy keeps showing him why he shouldn't. It's well and good to believe in your guys, but as a head coach, MLF has to recognize quicker when to cut bait.
Head coach has to walk the line between being respected / being feared / being liked. I think it was Kramer who said that Lombardi motivated through fear ....a fear of losing your job and not being part of the team. I have seen many high school coaches who became ineffective as soon as the players sensed that it was important to them to be "liked".
All leadership positions, coach, CEO of a Fortune 500 company, middle school principal...is a balance of sugar and stick. Sometimes you can have structures in coaching where one coach is the stick, one coach is the sugar. Good cop, bad cop...but that only works when the HC is the bad cop and the coordinator is the good cop.
I've said it from the beginning...I don't know if MLF has enough asshole in him to right the ship when things go south...jury is still out.
Glad the Packers won vs Dallas...many impressive aspects to the win, namely the offense getting up off the mat and not giving up at 14 down. But I am not ready to say this thing is fixed, nor that the Packers won't get their pants pulled down on Thursday.
I still believe there need to be changes in the off-season with Barry gone, and Gurt still needs to go get a competent #1 WR via FA. Yes, it's likely going to cost him his precious draft picks, but this team doesn't have one guy you can count on...and most teams have at least 2-3. Need an upgrade at RT, and given Gary is gonna be out a while, edge rusher is on the table in the draft.
Time to cut bait on Calamari...King's X it...a bust.
@FLPACKER posted:Head coach has to walk the line between being respected / being feared / being liked. I think it was Kramer who said that Lombardi motivated through fear ....a fear of losing your job and not being part of the team. I have seen many high school coaches who became ineffective as soon as the players sensed that it was important to them to be "liked".
This.
The win vs DAL really came down to some players who don't have a history of making big plays, making those big plays. Ford and Watson. It's unrealistic to expect those two to make big plays every game from here on out. Probably safe to say sunday will end up being their biggest game for the season. It'll be up to others to make those big plays that win games.
I don't see this team making the playoffs, I'm not sure they'll finish over .500. It would be nice to beat MIN and CHI one more time. Throw in DET for good measure.
One thing that was talked about is that Jonathan Abrams, only here two days was up and down the sideline telling teammates that if they hung in they were going to win the game. Randall Cobb was also mentioned as being vocal on the sidelines. Collective talk / energy can have a significant impact on performance.
Rodgers had a different mindset to this game as well, prompting him to even throw a bit of a block and later run down the field on the Jones run. Watson also said Rodgers and others came up to him after the drops and said they were coming back to him. It had to help the young guys to see Rodgers get involved in a positive way rather than the pissy mood he's been in so far this year. If he keeps this same attitude, it can go a long way to helping the entire team.
They certainly are not out of the woods yet, and it may have been an aberration, but it was a different team out there on Sunday because some of the leaders stepped up and a couple of backups took advantage of getting their shot.
@FLPACKER posted:One thing that was talked about is that Jonathan Abrams, only here two days was up and down the sideline telling teammates that if they hung in they were going to win the game. Randall Cobb was also mentioned as being vocal on the sidelines. Collective talk / energy can have a significant impact on performance.
Makes up for his bone headed penalty on special teams. But we need a few thugs on D/ST
It was a whole weekend of pawsitives.
Iowa and Bucky. Listened to most of that on the radio driving up to Oshkosh. Got to watch the 4th quarter at a bar in Oshkosh. Matt Lepay is SO much better on the radio than Gary Dolphin. Sounded like a typically ugly Iowa game for the 3/4 I didn't get to see.
Then it was off to go watch a Herd game. Was surprisingly very entertaining. Got to watch Joe Wieskamp light things up in the first half. Giannis was courtside with his mamma cheering on his little brother and doing a little coaching himself. The Motor City Cruise has the first ever Orthodox Jew playing professional basketball. There was a small group in the crowd wearing yarmulke's and cheering for Ryan Turell to get some playing time. He did not. Herd won in OT.
Then the Cowboys game. Seemed like a good 1/3 of the crowd was Dallas fans. That was a little annoying at first but it made the win a little sweeter at the end seeing all those long faces. 
The whole McCarthy thing was pretty low key. Other than a quick message on the jumbotron welcoming him and other former coaches back I was completely unaware of Big Mike on Sunday. Jermicheal Finley and Javon Walker were the alumni for this game. Finley looks like he could still play. Walker looked really skinny, no one would guess he was a former NFL player.
The positives:
Despite the smaller number of GB fans, still generated plenty of noise. The Cowboy fans made some pretty good noise as well, especially when they were up 28-14. I think they learned their lesson though and mostly STFU when the Packers were making their run in the 4th quarter.
Rodgers, Watson, Jones, Dillon, Ford, Alexander and Walker all had outstanding games.
The way the team fought back after Amari turned the momentum in the Cowboys favor was really encouraging. At 28-14 the faithful in the crowd were pretty subdued but as soon as the offense got rolling again it was business as usual.
No negatives to add since the one obvious negative is now a free agent. Thank God!!
@GreenBayLA posted:Makes up for his bone headed penalty on special teams. But we need a few thugs on D/ST
In my formative years of coaching I was lucky enough to spend time around one of the greats (basketball), who used to say "every team needs a MFer"
@FLPACKER posted:In my formative years of coaching I was lucky enough to spend time around one of the greats (basketball), who used to say "every team needs a MFer"
Lombardi Packers had Nitschke.
The Reggie White Packers had Wayne Simmons. He made some of the key plays in that SF playoff game that showed the Packers had really arrived as a force in the mid-90s. He also beat the crap out of TEs.
Not sure who qualified on the 2010 Packers in that role. There didn't seem to be any of those types on that team.
@Packiderm posted:+ I didn't see any catts posts
maybe her 9 lives are over.
@MichiganPacker posted:Lombardi Packers had Nitschke.
The Reggie White Packers had Wayne Simmons. He made some of the key plays in that SF playoff game that showed the Packers had really arrived as a force in the mid-90s. He also beat the crap out of TEs.
Not sure who qualified on the 2010 Packers in that role. There didn't seem to be any of those types on that team.
Tramon made a ton of plays in the playoffs that year.
@MichiganPacker posted:Not sure who qualified on the 2010 Packers in that role. There didn't seem to be any of those types on that team.
Charles Woodson?
Not sure who qualified on the 2010 Packers in that role. There didn't seem to be any of those types on that team.
The only obvious answer is Bush. It's the only explanation as to why that MFer wasn't cut from the team. "Jarred Bush made a play!?" -Greg Jennings, Super Bowl 45. (Film study, my rump roast. The guy was so far out of position Ben didn't even see him when the ball was thrown.)
You're talking about an enforcer type. That wasn't Tramon or Woodson, probably not Bush either. The OL had some of those guys but Clay or Bishop probably fit that bill better on D.
You're right. On second thought it was probably Kevin Greene.
