GM was fired, but Scam is also starting to show his true colors.
Makes me more thankful for TT and Rodgers after reading about Newton's behavior as of late. Wow...
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This is exactly what I expected last year. Interesting he held it inside for a year. Couldn't keep up the act I guess.
The melting down got delayed last year because of the middling success he/them were having. Now we get the real deal for all to see.
What's firing the GM gonna do for them? He ain't writing the script mid-season - he already did his part this year. bad move Richardson - gave in to the whims of your diva.
What's firing the GM gonna do for them? He ain't writing the script mid-season - he already did his part this year. bad move Richardson - gave in to the whims of your diva.
Didn't one of the Carolina lineman said in the preseasion that Carolina was going to be in the SuperBowl??? 
You mean the Rodgers who talked to the press about the scout team not practicing hard? 
I like Cam, I think he will fine as he matures. Even if you disagree with his methods so far, you can't argue with his passion and that he also plays hard.
Probably just a mid-season shake-up for the sake of having a shake up. That GM should be fired anyway because of the below:
Again, this is not some full endorsement of Hurney. Over the past five years, Hurney has made his share of mistakes. The latest was reportedly paying $48.2 million in guarantees for three running backs (Carolina signed Mike Tolbert as a free agent and extending Jonathan Stewart's contract this year after paying DeAngelo Williams in 2011). None of those backs has turned out to be worth the money in a league that has steadily de-emphasized the position.
I like Cam, I think he will fine as he matures. Even if you disagree with his methods so far, you can't argue with his passion and that he also plays hard.
Probably just a mid-season shake-up for the sake of having a shake up. That GM should be fired anyway because of the below:
Again, this is not some full endorsement of Hurney. Over the past five years, Hurney has made his share of mistakes. The latest was reportedly paying $48.2 million in guarantees for three running backs (Carolina signed Mike Tolbert as a free agent and extending Jonathan Stewart's contract this year after paying DeAngelo Williams in 2011). None of those backs has turned out to be worth the money in a league that has steadily de-emphasized the position.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
You mean the Rodgers who talked to the press about the scout team not practicing hard?
Comparing Rodgers to Newton?
Seriously? You just compared Rodgers to $cam? Of course you like him, he embodies all the qualities you find great... cheater... douchebag... negativity... self-absorbed... self-entitled... a $0.25 head on a 25 million dollar body.
If you had even the slightest amount of athletic ability, you could be him.
If you had even the slightest amount of athletic ability, you could be him.
quote:Originally posted by ShebPackFan:
Didn't one of the Carolina lineman said in the preseasion that Carolina was going to be in the SuperBowl???
Not just said, took out a full page ad to let all of Charlotte know.
I've never understood the midseason GM firing. I know you don't want to waste time with him preparing for a draft he's not going to run, but unless the replacement is in house, that won't matter anyway. It's a move for the sake of saying you made a move that won't change anything for the rest of the current season.
I'm not surprised Cam found it easier when he was the only one getting paid.
"I'm going to bring in a suggestion box," Newton said. "And I want your suggestions in that suggestion box, because I sure don't know. I really don't."
1st suggestion they're going to find in that box...
"Cam. Things look pretty bad, and you're having a tough time dealing with it. So there's really only one thing we can do. We're going to steal Ron Rivera's laptop!!!"
Cecil Newton.
1st suggestion they're going to find in that box...
"Cam. Things look pretty bad, and you're having a tough time dealing with it. So there's really only one thing we can do. We're going to steal Ron Rivera's laptop!!!"
Cecil Newton.
I think there's some merit to the mid-season GM canning if they get the replacement in there quickly. If they do, like when Wolf was brought aboard, it gives him an opportunity to evaluate the roster and coaches in game conditions so that the offseason approach is more honed. If it's done just to put some interim guy in there until the season's over, then I agree it's worthless.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
I like Cam, I think he will fine as he matures.
When's that going to happen? He's a NFL QB, they need to be mature leaders day 1. They can mature as players, but as a leader they need to have it when they come in. NFL QBs have been the guy most, if not all, of their playing career. There is no reason to believe he's going to mature the way he needs to. I see a VY like tailspin from him within the next couple of seasons. He's a FA after the 2014 season and does anyone really think someone is going to give him a starters deal?
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Comparing Rodgers to Newton?
Well, they both went to the media with some internal dirty laundry...
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
When's that going to happen? He's a NFL QB, they need to be mature leaders day 1.
You mean the same AR who has basically admitted he needed to do some growing up his first couple of years in the league?
Basically my point is that I think Newton should be given some more time before labeling him.
Tom Braatz was fired and replaced by Ron Wolf while he was still employed by the Jets mid-season. That obviously worked out pretty well for the Packers. Is it still possible to grab a front office guy in the middle of the season? Obviously, you can't do it with a coach, but for the reasons you stated, it probably wouldn't hurt a team much to lose a front office guy mid season.quote:Originally posted by IL_Pack_Fan:quote:Originally posted by ShebPackFan:
Didn't one of the Carolina lineman said in the preseasion that Carolina was going to be in the SuperBowl???
Not just said, took out a full page ad to let all of Charlotte know.
I've never understood the midseason GM firing. I know you don't want to waste time with him preparing for a draft he's not going to run, but unless the replacement is in house, that won't matter anyway. It's a move for the sake of saying you made a move that won't change anything for the rest of the current season.
I personally was one that thought Newton would be an NFL star, but I thought it would take him 3 years (2013 would be the star year). I was surprised at how good he was last year though. He's taken a step back as defensive coordinators have had a full off-season to probe his weaknesses and come up with a game plan to slow him. It doesn't help him that he's on an awful team as well.
If he has some maturity and fight in him, he'll realize this is just a normal progression that young QBs normally go through and he'll come out of it a better player once he works on improving those weaknesses that coordinators have found. That said, he's showing that perhaps he's not one of those guys that will fight through adversity and it may break him like it did Vince Young. He's more talented than Young, but if he doesn't work hard and continues the pouty attitude, he'll end up pretty much just like him.
If he has some maturity and fight in him, he'll realize this is just a normal progression that young QBs normally go through and he'll come out of it a better player once he works on improving those weaknesses that coordinators have found. That said, he's showing that perhaps he's not one of those guys that will fight through adversity and it may break him like it did Vince Young. He's more talented than Young, but if he doesn't work hard and continues the pouty attitude, he'll end up pretty much just like him.
quote:Pro Football Weekly's Newton pre-draft scouting report
Negatives: Played in a simplified, run-first, dive-option read offense with very basic high-low reads. Worked exclusively out of the gun and was very quick to run at the first flash of coverage. Limited field vision — does not process the passing game. Inconsistent throwing mechanics with a flick delivery — generates all of his power from his upper-body strength and too often arms the ball. Streaky passer with spotty accuracy. Makes his receivers work hard and throws into coverage. Does not spin a tight spiral. Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and always will struggle to win a locker room. Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.
Summary: An extremely talented, dual-threat QB who carried Auburn to a national title, Newton has the arm and athletic talent desired in a rollout, play-action, bootleg vertical passing game and would fit ideally into an offense such as that of the Redskins or Raiders. However, he always will test the rules, be difficult to manage and lacks the intangibles to win the trust of a locker room. Will require a very strong-willed, demanding coach to live up to his potential and avoid the trappings of fame and fortune, but even the greatest taskmaster will not be able to keep away the drama that is still swirling from a stained Heisman Trophy and littered recruiting trail that Newton left in the SEC. Can provide an initial spark, but will quickly be dissected and contained by NFL defensive coordinators, struggle to sustain success and will not prove worthy of an early investment. An overhyped, high-risk, high-reward selection with a glaring bust factor, Newton is sure to be drafted more highly than he should and could foreclose a risk-taking GM's job and taint a locker room.
GM=fired
locker room=tainted
woops
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
Basically my point is that I think Newton should be given some more time before labeling him.
Thief.
Liar.
Cheater.
Which one am I too quick to judge on?
Nawrocki is a freaking soothsayer. Getting his book next year.
Serprize Serprize Serprize!!
Cam Newton = Chump
Remember him after his team won the big college game and he launched himself into the stands and sat there gloating amongst his fans. I thought then and I think now he is a guy with more ego than talent. And it shows.
Cam Newton = Chump
Remember him after his team won the big college game and he launched himself into the stands and sat there gloating amongst his fans. I thought then and I think now he is a guy with more ego than talent. And it shows.
I have a Ron Rivera story... I was a freshman at CAL in 82 and lived in Cheney Hall in the dorms. About four doors down from me, there were these guys that always had parties and a certain CAL LB used to come and party with them. One night, about a month into my freshman year, on a TUESDAY night, I heard a woman and a MAN singing at the top of their lungs in the hallway at around 3 am in the morning...
I think it was Michael Jackson's "Got To be There"... I tried to bear it (forgive the pun) and hope that she would stop soon but they kept going for over 30 minutes... Finally, I had enough,... I was going to go out and let them know that it was 3:30 am and that at least some of us were not at CAL to listen to them sing. I got up thinking I was going to give them a piece of my mind...
I opened the door and shouted "Hey!" as I stepped into the hallway. I looked and saw a petite Asian girl sitting with her back against one side of the hallway. And on the other side with his back against the wall was this huge muscular guy without his shirt on... both tipsy...
They both turned to look at me... and I realized I had made a huuuge mistake...
So, I improvised... Without missing a beat, I said, "She sounds great and you don't (pointing to the guy),...let her sing..." (smiling now and backing back into my room). With that I closed the door and went back into bed and put up with JUST her singing for the next hour...
Yep, that was Rivera's girlfriend/freshman year squeeze and him out there...
Would any of you have done any differently?
I think it was Michael Jackson's "Got To be There"... I tried to bear it (forgive the pun) and hope that she would stop soon but they kept going for over 30 minutes... Finally, I had enough,... I was going to go out and let them know that it was 3:30 am and that at least some of us were not at CAL to listen to them sing. I got up thinking I was going to give them a piece of my mind...
I opened the door and shouted "Hey!" as I stepped into the hallway. I looked and saw a petite Asian girl sitting with her back against one side of the hallway. And on the other side with his back against the wall was this huge muscular guy without his shirt on... both tipsy...
They both turned to look at me... and I realized I had made a huuuge mistake...
So, I improvised... Without missing a beat, I said, "She sounds great and you don't (pointing to the guy),...let her sing..." (smiling now and backing back into my room). With that I closed the door and went back into bed and put up with JUST her singing for the next hour...
Yep, that was Rivera's girlfriend/freshman year squeeze and him out there...
Would any of you have done any differently?
For all of the baggage that came along with $cam, I had the impression he hasn't been lacking in effort or preparation since going to Carolina.
And I don't mean to be insulting, but he's likely another gifted athlete that's just dumber than a box of rocks, and has no business being a NFL QB. Some GM's fall in love with their dreams and ignore the obvious.
It used to be the Jeff George/Ryan Leaf mold.
Now its the JaMarcus Russell/Vince Young mold.
And I don't mean to be insulting, but he's likely another gifted athlete that's just dumber than a box of rocks, and has no business being a NFL QB. Some GM's fall in love with their dreams and ignore the obvious.
It used to be the Jeff George/Ryan Leaf mold.
Now its the JaMarcus Russell/Vince Young mold.
Cam Newton accomplished what TOG wished he could have.
I was a huge Cam critic before the draft and I think what has happened is that the league defenses caught up to the holes in his game. For starters, he's not a great leader and if you rattle him he gets very frustrated and it shows with the sulking and post game rants. The other main factor is his inexperience. He really only played 1 year at Auburn in a very scaled down scheme.
What Cam needs is a good QB coach that can take him under his wing along with a vet backup QB to show him the ropes. They have talent on that team.
What Cam needs is a good QB coach that can take him under his wing along with a vet backup QB to show him the ropes. They have talent on that team.
Whoever takes that GM job is just set up for failure. Highest paid offensive backfield in the NFL. Stewart and Williams getting overpaid. They have a ton of money tied up in their LBs as well. Terrible to show up to a one-win team that is about to find themselves in cap hell. New guy will have to cut ties in many big ways and then try to win now. The longer this team loses, the worse Cam's mental state will deteriorate and the more he will blame others. When a guy feels the need to do his Superman celebration in a bad beatdown he is not in this for the team or for the win. He seems to like having fun and being famous more than anything.
He could still turn it all around, but I think this team was set up last year to help a young QB. They spent the off-season getting Jeremy Shockey and Greg Olsen. Two nice TEs. This opened up the deep routes for Smith. These were exactly the things you wanted for your young QB. Before the season started last year I thought these were very smart GM decisions.
He could still turn it all around, but I think this team was set up last year to help a young QB. They spent the off-season getting Jeremy Shockey and Greg Olsen. Two nice TEs. This opened up the deep routes for Smith. These were exactly the things you wanted for your young QB. Before the season started last year I thought these were very smart GM decisions.
and then there's the other catch: Cam is Jerry Richardson's boy.
cuz a new GM worth his salt might want to jettison Cam for draft picks and go a different direction. but jerry won't be having any of that.
any which way, this will be interesting to say the least.
cuz a new GM worth his salt might want to jettison Cam for draft picks and go a different direction. but jerry won't be having any of that.
any which way, this will be interesting to say the least.
quote:Originally posted by Pack-Man:
Tom Braatz was fired and replaced by Ron Wolf while he was still employed by the Jets mid-season. That obviously worked out pretty well for the Packers. Is it still possible to grab a front office guy in the middle of the season? Obviously, you can't do it with a coach, but for the reasons you stated, it probably wouldn't hurt a team much to lose a front office guy mid season.
The Walrus going to Carolina? He's already done in Cleveland even if he's staying on till season's end.
quote:Originally posted by Pack-Man:
Tom Braatz was fired and replaced by Ron Wolf while he was still employed by the Jets mid-season. That obviously worked out pretty well for the Packers. Is it still possible to grab a front office guy in the middle of the season? Obviously, you can't do it with a coach, but for the reasons you stated, it probably wouldn't hurt a team much to lose a front office guy mid season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wolf
I can't remember the whole story behind this. Did the Pack have to give up compensation for him? Seems odd to leave a post during a season for another job. The Jets did make the playoffs that season...it was at 8-8 however .
quote:Originally posted by CALBuccaneer:
Yep, that was Rivera's girlfriend/freshman year squeeze and him out there...
Would any of you have done any differently?
Yup.
Asian gal, Hispanic guy......
I'd have yelled, "Hey Jose, make sure to clean the leaves from the pool..... oh and Ling Ling, go easy on the Peking sauce when you make my dinner."
Hey, it was 1982---I was a little racist back then.
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
cuz a new GM worth his salt might want to jettison Cam for draft picks
Any (other) GM worth his salt isn't giving much for Cam.
and therein lies the real kicker to me - who the hell is gonna wanna take that job? but money talks...
oh boy....
http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...tant-for-g-m-search/
http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...tant-for-g-m-search/
quote:Since most owners don’t really know what to look for when hiring a G.M., Panthers owner Jerry Richardson will as many teams do hire a consultant to help them find the right candidates, according to Joseph Person of the Charlotte Observer.
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And so whoever is hired as consultant will go a long way toward determining the identity of the person hired as G.M., which will go a long way toward determining the identity of the next coach, which will go a long way toward determining whether and to what extent an appropriate commitment will be made to quarterback Cam Newton.
To many, the thought of moving on from Cam Newton is inconceivable. The reality, however, is that every G.M. wants his own coach and every coach wants his own quarterback. Given the haul of draft picks that an unproven Robert Griffin III yielded for the Rams, the best move for the new regime could be to send Newton to a team that thinks it can get Newton to play like he did in 2011, and to use the high draft pick the Panthers are on pace to earn in 2013 on a new quarterback of the future.
With Williams, Stewart, Tolbert and Newton the Panthers are positioned perfectly to run the Wishbone.
It is somewhat strange on this forum how race figures into every topic.
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
and therein lies the real kicker to me - who the hell is gonna wanna take that job? but money talks...
I'll take it!
quote:I was a huge Cam critic before the draft and I think what has happened is that the league defenses caught up to the holes in his game.
I was beating my..I mean that drum the whole time the media was fawning all over him last season. Just give the DCs an offseason with 16 games of tape on the guy and watch what happens in year 2. He has the talent, now it's a matter of whether he has the character to overcome and adjust. Though Bobby Griffin may be showing more promise in his rook year, the same challenges will face him next year.