There have been a ton of missed tackles. Think the lack of time spent training in pads is affecting this?
When opposing offenses can't run on you (3.6 yds/carry) then they're going to throw on you. Like I said previously, these 2 games have averaged 47 attempts against us, yeah when they're throwing 50 times they're going to rack up some yards whether you're a good pass defense or not. They're only completing 63% of those passes though, that's pretty good when they're throwing that many times. And yes an improvement from the pass rush would help the Secondary out, but we're tied for 3rd in the NFL sacks with 7 so it's not like they aren't producing. We also have 3 INTs and 18 PDefs so that means almost 25% of the attempted passes against us have either been knocked down, intercepted or the QB has been sacked. That's actually right on par with the Jets and the Dream Team so if those teams have good pass defenses, so do we.
Stewart had like 100 yards receiving and Newton threw up 3-4 passes up for grabs - 2 which were picked off and 2 which went for long gainers. It's going to happen from time to time and let's not forget that Bush was on the field most if not all of the game. That's not a good sign for the Packers.
I'm shocked that teams aren't trying to run the ball more against GB.
I'm shocked that teams aren't trying to run the ball more against GB.
If I'm facing Green Bay, why run? The linebackers can't cover and it's a pretty stout front seven, especially with a line of Raji, Pickett (Green). With Collins out backs and TEs should have even more room to work. Backs and TEs accounted for 213 receiving yards Sunday and 168 yards vs. the Saints. That's a lot of yardage for ancillary and check down receivers.
One of the reasons they go 2-4-5 so often is because the linebackers are stout but have trouble in coverage. If Tramon misses more time the defense may have issues this season. Luckily the offense is good enough that they can likely get by if the defense struggles for a period.
One of the reasons they go 2-4-5 so often is because the linebackers are stout but have trouble in coverage. If Tramon misses more time the defense may have issues this season. Luckily the offense is good enough that they can likely get by if the defense struggles for a period.
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:
I'm shocked that teams aren't trying to run the ball more against GB.
I'm not. Don't you think the other 31 teams looked at the tapes of the Super Bowl winner and noticed that they won a championship last year without even trying to focus on the run? This is a copycat league!
Seems to be a league-wide thing that's developing. I just heard on the radio between meatings that seven QB's are on pace to either break or basically match Marino's all-time yardage record for a season. That should obviously change a bit, but it seems clear that defenses in general are starting slower than offenses.
The Packers did have a nice run before Jordy's 84 yarder. 
quote:Not having Jenkins is killing this pass rush
You ever think that maybe Jenkins was ****ty vs the rush? You talked about how bad the run defense was last year but now it's better but they only lost Jenkins? Hmmm....
10,000,00 million sperm and you were the fastest.
quote:10,000,00 million sperm and you were the fastest.
quote:When is the last time you saw an NFl team pass all the way down the field for a TD without running?
Week 1, 2011.
New England v. Miami; Tom Brady to Wes Welker for a 99-yard TD.
I can't think offhand of the last one-play touchdown drive that was a running play.
quote:Originally posted by ammo:
Bo Jackson went 99 yards didn't he?
Nope. Tony Dorsett still holds the record by himself at 99 yards.
Ahman went 98.
He also went 90.
Stud.
We can intercept every quarterback in the NFL.
quote:Originally posted by pablopackerfan:
When is the last time you saw an NFL team run all the way down the field for a TD without passing?
When is the last time you saw an NFl team pass all the way down the field for a TD without running?
I know this was rhetorical but...
Sept 26 2004, Indy vs the Blitzin' Bob Slowik Packers defense. ESPN recap: The game started with five touchdown passes in the first 11 minutes, three by Manning and two by Favre, a pace that would have added up to 175 points between them if they had kept going. Indianapolis threw 22 passes and did not have a running play in the first quarter as Manning and Favre aired it out.
I remember a Buddy Ryan Eagles team running the ball like 20 straight times to open the game against Denver.
There you go.
There are currently 10 QBs in the league that have a QB rating of 100 or better and 8 or 9 of them also have around 600 yards (or more) passing in their first two games of the year. That ridiculous.
Now more than ever teams are winging it all over the place and why not? The rules that once only protected QBs now also protect WRs, and while most teams have several good receiving threats how many teams actually have 2-3 really good cover guys? Few if any.
You consider the fact how good some RBs are at catching passes out of the backfield and how good some of these hybrid WR/TEs are (Finley, Gates, Hernandez, Clark, Daniels) in terms of their speed and athleticism and it's no surprise that teams are putting up huge passing numbers.
Look at GB for instance. Even if you cover Jennings and Finley you still have Nelson and Grant/Starks to contend with, and if GB runs the 4 wide formation who are you going to stop? Somebody is going to be open and you have a nice relief valve in the RB out of the backfield.
I also think Carolina is going to put up some pretty good numbers because they have talent. Steve Smith has been one of the best WRs in the league for some time now. Olsen and Shockey can be a handful to defend, and the combo of Stewart and D Williams is probably better than 2/3 of the teams in the league. Newton has also proven that you need to account for him, and that OL is pretty solid. The issue with Carolina is that they can't stop anyone, but I think the Panthers will give a lot of teams problems.
Now more than ever teams are winging it all over the place and why not? The rules that once only protected QBs now also protect WRs, and while most teams have several good receiving threats how many teams actually have 2-3 really good cover guys? Few if any.
You consider the fact how good some RBs are at catching passes out of the backfield and how good some of these hybrid WR/TEs are (Finley, Gates, Hernandez, Clark, Daniels) in terms of their speed and athleticism and it's no surprise that teams are putting up huge passing numbers.
Look at GB for instance. Even if you cover Jennings and Finley you still have Nelson and Grant/Starks to contend with, and if GB runs the 4 wide formation who are you going to stop? Somebody is going to be open and you have a nice relief valve in the RB out of the backfield.
I also think Carolina is going to put up some pretty good numbers because they have talent. Steve Smith has been one of the best WRs in the league for some time now. Olsen and Shockey can be a handful to defend, and the combo of Stewart and D Williams is probably better than 2/3 of the teams in the league. Newton has also proven that you need to account for him, and that OL is pretty solid. The issue with Carolina is that they can't stop anyone, but I think the Panthers will give a lot of teams problems.
quote:Originally posted by oshbaul:
We can intercept every quarterback in the NFL.
On every play? Ummm, I think your on to something here.
quote:Originally posted by TD:quote:Not having Jenkins is killing this pass rush
You ever think that maybe Jenkins was ****ty vs the rush? You talked about how bad the run defense was last year but now it's better but they only lost Jenkins? Hmmm....
10,000,00 million sperm and you were the fastest.
I know this may be hard for you but Jenkins was a darned good all-around lineman, he was just older, has an injury history and expensive. He's not as stout as Green but saying he was poor against the run shows who the weakest sperm was.
In case it's still too tough here's a hint: look in the mirror.
It's IMO a bit hyperbolic to say not having Jenkins is killing the pass rush, but there's no denying it has a negative effect because he was very good at it. Someone else needs to step up, hopefully they will. If Neal gets healthy he's a good candidate, or maybe Walden or someone else does.
quote:I know this may be hard for you but Jenkins was a darned good all-around lineman, he was just older, has an injury history and expensive. He's not as stout as Green but saying he was poor against the run shows who the weakest sperm was.
Obviously, you missed the point weakminded. Diggy likes blaming Raji for the "poor run D" of last year but blames TT for not signing Jenkins.
Now, go back to your sherman worshipping temple.
No, the point is your an ignorant little pissant of a troll with delusions of grandeur who thinks uncreative, insulting pun names are funny. You rarely offer anything insightful or discussion worthy in your lame attempts to try and feel superior by insulting people when you are a witless moron with obvious emotional issues.
How does that make you any better than Diggr?
How does that make you any better than Diggr?
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
How does that make you any better than Diggr?
He's not diggr?
What did I win?
A horse and buggy ride with 
iggy and 
.
Bring your pink feather.
iggy and . Bring your pink feather.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
No, the point is your an ignorant little pissant of a troll with delusions of grandeur who thinks uncreative, insulting pun names are funny. You rarely offer anything insightful or discussion worthy in your lame attempts to try and feel superior by insulting people when you are a witless moron with obvious emotional issues.
How does that make you any better than Diggr?
I love this place.
Anxiously awaiting the articulate response from
.quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
A horse and buggy ride with
Bring your pink feather.
Do I get to shower in battery acid afterwards? I'll bring a pink feather for everyone.
Yes, the prize allows you to substitute a shower for the customary offering of battery acid enema - whatever floats your boat. I have my own feather, but thanks anyway. See you there.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
I know this may be hard for you but Jenkins was a darned good all-around lineman, he was just older, has an injury history and expensive.
No 2 in the NFL in sacks. Oh, Cboy says it's too early to look at stats. Nevermind.
quote:You rarely offer anything insightful or discussion worthy in your lame attempts to try and feel superior by insulting people when you are a witless moron with obvious emotional issues.
Jeez, herschey Mommy didn't let you suck from the nipple last night? Coming from the holy from the thou person, amazing that you have time to respond but yet uses names and insults. Pot meet kettle. Now, run along and get to the fryer.
I just re-watched the game with the 30 minute shortcut from DirecTV, and have to agree with this take from CheeseheadTV.
This may have been the biggest culprit against Carolina. As the blog mentions, its the same approach Detroit brought into Lambeau last year that almost got them a W.
Considering Forte's already the closest thing Jay has to an NFL receiver, this will be especially important to tighten up on Sunday.
quote:But both performances featured something that has become all too common from opponents facing Capers' pressure packages - late releasing tight ends and running backs running drag routes over a barren middle of the field when Capers attempts to use his fire zones.
This may have been the biggest culprit against Carolina. As the blog mentions, its the same approach Detroit brought into Lambeau last year that almost got them a W.
Considering Forte's already the closest thing Jay has to an NFL receiver, this will be especially important to tighten up on Sunday.
quote:Originally posted by TD:
Coming from the holy from the thou person, amazing that you have time to respond but yet uses names and insults. Pot meet kettle.
Bless where his hear is tonight.
Bingo.
quote:Do I get to shower in battery acid afterwards?
Speaking of battery acid
So back in the day (i.e. high school), I was partying with some friends and we scored a bottle of Fleischmann's vodka. It was the equivalent of Aaron Rodgers facing the Vikings secondary.
Anyway, we didn't have a glass to pour it in, and instead of passing the bottle I found a flashlight and emptied out the batteries and used that as a glass. Well, after getting schnockered I looked at the inside of the flashlight and it was all corroded with battery acid. Nice!
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:
flashlight, acid. Nice!
ever have any flashbacks ?
quote:Originally posted by IL_Pack_Fan:
I just re-watched the game with the 30 minute shortcut from DirecTV, and have to agree with this take from CheeseheadTV.
quote:But both performances featured something that has become all too common from opponents facing Capers' pressure packages - late releasing tight ends and running backs running drag routes over a barren middle of the field when Capers attempts to use his fire zones.
This may have been the biggest culprit against Carolina. As the blog mentions, its the same approach Detroit brought into Lambeau last year that almost got them a W.
Considering Forte's already the closest thing Jay has to an NFL receiver, this will be especially important to tighten up on Sunday.
The culprit is the blitzes not getting through the line. I was surprised at how the Carolina line held up. Honestly, I didn't think the blitzes were very well disguised. Capers has better success with a single guy on delayed blitz.
quote:Originally posted by Satori:
ever have any flashbacks ?
Now that's just damn funny.
Glad somebody enjoyed it 
Here is an interesting article on pass defense and the big yardage totals we are seeing across the League
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes...ls-can-be-deceiving/
Here is an interesting article on pass defense and the big yardage totals we are seeing across the League
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes...ls-can-be-deceiving/
Great article Satori.
The rules that are helping QB's and WR's are one side of the story. The other is the number of automatic first down's that seem to be happening at an accelerated rate this year.
CB hands to the face - automatic 1st down
Illegal contact - 1st down
Interference - 1st down
Def Holding - 1st down
These have been around for years but seem to be getting called more. Then you layer in the increase in roughing the passer calls.
It's getting tougher and tougher for the D to get off the field.
Here is a link I found that looks at opponent 1st down as a result of penalites. 14 teams gave up 2-5 first downs last week resulting from penalties. 6 teams gave up 4 or more.
link
The rules that are helping QB's and WR's are one side of the story. The other is the number of automatic first down's that seem to be happening at an accelerated rate this year.
CB hands to the face - automatic 1st down
Illegal contact - 1st down
Interference - 1st down
Def Holding - 1st down
These have been around for years but seem to be getting called more. Then you layer in the increase in roughing the passer calls.
It's getting tougher and tougher for the D to get off the field.
Here is a link I found that looks at opponent 1st down as a result of penalites. 14 teams gave up 2-5 first downs last week resulting from penalties. 6 teams gave up 4 or more.
link
