Players on the Block

Bishop ain't going anywhere

Kuhn ain't going anywhere.

Finley, Pickett, Williams and probably Bishop are the only guys I'd count on being back and maybe not even Pickett without a restructuring.

like reading an osh post, only without the deeper, existential subtext.

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Originally posted by Johnny Boy:
1. Woodson 9.4 Mil
2. Finley 8.7 Mil
3. Williams 8.5 Mil
4. Hawk 7 Mil
5. Pickett 6.7 Mil
6. Bishop 4.8 Mil
7. Saturday 4.6 Mil
8. Crosby 3.2 Mil
9. Kuhn 2.5 Mil

1 - restructure: $3.5mm is roster/game bonus
2 - keep: $3.5mm due on 15th day of league yr (middle of March)
3 - keep
4 - restructure or cut: $4.8mm left on SB
5 - keep
6 - keep
7 - cut
8 - restructure or cut & replaced w/draft pick
9 - cut: $0.8mm bonus ($.25mm prorated SB; $.55mm workout)

Agree!

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
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Agree!

It would take 3 players to replace John Kuhn.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
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Running Back, Fullback and 3rd/4th and 1 back?

i cannot see woodson taking a pay cut, but who knows . . .

I hope he does, because there's no way he's worth what he's due on his current contract. If he doesn't take a paycut, he has to go. I don't care what Rodgers says.

According to JSO, if GB releases just Woodson and Saturday (coupled with the 7.1 mil they are allowed to carry over from the 2012 season) it would give GB 17.2 million in cap room.

I suspect Russ Ball will try his best to restructure Woody.

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i cannot see woodson taking a pay cut, but who knows . . .

Seriously. What other team is going to pay a 38 year old CB 10-12 million a year who's had recent health issues and without a doubt is on the decline?

I guess he could retire but I don't think he's going to get a whole lot more then what GB would offer him in a restructured deal. The cap number in the 2013 season isn't going to allow a lot of team to go hog wild in FA like they will be able to in 2014. And many teams like the Lions who could use better CB's are in cap hell and will have to shed many a veteran.

I really hate this time of year......ugh.

Nice post Hungry5. Time will tell but every year a surprise cut. Between Williams, Finley, Bishop and Pickett I do think one/mabe two go byby. Pickett and Williams age, Bishop bad injury and Finley had poor first 8-9 games. They need to redo some contracts and GB likes to do it with one year left. So Mathews, Raji need to be redone for sure. AR soon.

Woodson is intelligent enough that he knows something has to happen. At this point I hope he realizes that GB can't afford to pay him 10 million, especially with 3 young stud CBs waiting in the wings. If he wants to stay in GB, he will restructure. If he wants to stay in GB AND still make a bunch of money, they will cut him and he will agree to a new, cap friendly deal. If he just wants a bunch of money then he will be released IMO. I think he wants to be in GB and I think he will restructure.

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Between Williams, Finley, Bishop and Pickett I do think one/mabe two go byby.

All four of these players will be back in GB next season without question IMO.

Agree.

Pickett part of the Packers 2013 plan

Anytime the Packers speak highly of a player (here Pickett), they did it with Finley, it's almost a lock they are going nowhere.

All 4 will be back.

Other than Saturday who's definitely gone I can see them all returning. I'd love to see Hawk replaced but my guess is he'll restructure and stick around.

It'd be stupid if they cut Finley. He's on a relatively team friendly contract, and with losing GJ, it would be foolish to lose both. Let's not kid ourselves, the offense takes a serious decline in losing both Finley and GJ.

As for Bishop, and Pickett and TWill, there are no reasons why they shouldn't be back.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
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Running Back, Fullback and 3rd/4th and 1 back?

Special Teams

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Originally posted by Herschel:
Finley, Pickett, Williams and probably Bishop are the only guys I'd count on being back and maybe not even Pickett without a restructuring.

+1

That would free up 26.7 Mil plus the 7 Mil carryover. Where does TT go with 33.7 Mil? Just re-up our guys or FA in the works?

Michael Johnson DE Cincinati 6'7"
Jake Long T Miami
Henry Melton DT Chicago
Paul Krugger LB Baltimore

Just a wish list

Jeff Saturday appeared on an Indy radio station this morning and said he's retiring from the NFL following the Pro Bowl.

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First downs and TD's allowed by CB's

Sam Shield and Casey Hayward: Very Good.

Tramon Williams: On the bad list.

Williams makes too much money to be so horrible against the run and just mediocre as a pass defender.

I wonder if Shields' numerous BS PI penalties are included.

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Originally posted by 18c3v:
First downs and TD's allowed by CB's

Sam Shield and Casey Hayward: Very Good.

Tramon Williams: On the bad list.

Williams makes too much money to be so horrible against the run and just mediocre as a pass defender.

In fairness, Tramon shows up on the bad list on just the raw number data of 1st downs + TDs. But as the article goes on, it states: "how can we really judge those guys given their opportunity to give up first downs are widely different to others? So instead of looking at who gave up the most, let’s look at who gave up the highest percentage relative to their coverage snaps (with a minimum of 300 snaps in coverage)."

Once you put that into account, Williams no longer appears on the "bad list." And of course, that list also doesn't take into account who you're playing against. In 25% of his games, Williams is matched up with Brandon Marshall or Calvin Johnson.

I'll agree that Williams did not play at the elite level we saw in 2010. And perhaps he'll never get back to that form.

But he still seems too valuable to simply cut. You look around the league and there are some massive holes in the secondary, even with very good teams. Even if GB does decide they have enough depth to part ways with Williams, you'd think he'd still have some value to trade rather than cut completely.

Williams hasn't played up to his salary the past two seasons, but he's still too valuable to release this offseason. However, if Hayward, Shields and House keep improving, Williams could be in trouble a year from now.

Tramon had 3 maybe 4 bad games this year, with 2 very recent - last reg season game vs MIN and then SF playoff game, though the entire D played poorly vs the 9ers. It is said a CB needs to forget quickly and move on, fans watching those CBs do not live the same mantra. What have you done for me lately?

I doubt they'll cut him outright but IF (and that's a really big if) TT went after Revis I would bet Tramon would be part of the offer.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
Tramon had 3 maybe 4 bad games this year, with 2 very recent - last reg season game vs MIN and then SF playoff game, though the entire D played poorly vs the 9ers. It is said a CB needs to forget quickly and move on, fans watching those CBs do not live the same mantra. What have you done for me lately?

....my problem is that it is difficult to build and preach a culture of tough, physical, hard-nosed defense when you put a defender on the field that obviously does not like contact. I could live with his coverage if he wouldn't run from contact.

Here's where I get confused. Why wouldn't NFL teams start coveting players who are scared of contact since the NFL is turning into a league that encourages non-contact...??? Hell, the Packers are already ahead of the curve with their secondary.