Pakrz, I'm not expecting the Packers to win it all every year. It would be great, but it's unrealistic.
It's how we've ended our seasons the last few years (except for 2010) that bothers me. With the offense we have, we should be able to put enough points on the board where we're in position to win at least most of the time.
We've scored well in the postseason games we've lost. We put up 45 against the Cardinals. 31 tonight. Less against the Giants, but I think we just quit offensively in that game. But in all three games, it's not been near enough.
quote:Originally posted by MichiganPacker:
This team has had a great multiyear run including a Super Bowl win because TT hit it big on two first round picks that we're the 24th and 26th picks. Two potential hall of famers that late in the round is incredible. Then signing a supposedly washed up Woodson turned up another hall of famer.
He hasn't drafted poorly the last few years. He just hasn't gotten another superstar. Teams win Super Bowls by pairing 2-3 superstars with a few other very good players and making sure they don't have liabilities.
Rodgers and Matthews are still superstars but Woodson is no longer elite and we never replaced Nick Collins or Culln Jenkins. That's the difference the last two years.
The NFL is set up for parity. A team is not supposed to have 18/20 nonlosing records. We've been spoiled with Wolf and then ith TT so quickly cleaning up Sherman's mess.
It's a disappointing end o the season, but I'd rather have TT an anyone else to rely on.
Good post.
It has become painfully obvious that the MM coached Packers just do not match up AT ALL with the tough, physical teams. The Gints and Niners have proven this and I am not at all sure the Packers would have beaten Seattle had it come to them in a NFCCG next week.
We need some linebackers that can tackle someone (CM3 excluded).
Look at how the Niners' secondary plays compared to Green Bay's. The tackling difference is glaring. Packers reach and arm tackle. Niners try to knock the WRs into next week.It's intimidating and I think the Packers (again) played intimidated, at least somewhat.
I don't know how to give an NFL team a toughen-up pill, but that is what this team needs, esp on defense.
Running back is not as important as center and inside linebacker--but I agree- Ted continues to take best available.-I agree with Badgeman-the niner secondary tackled people--that was the biggest difference in the game--that and Kaepernick had the game of his life....but you only get one game of your life..I look for him to lose next week or the Super Bowl...which will be something because the niners are the best team in football right now. You live by the sword you die by it--see also Vick, RGIII--any running QB in the history of the NFL. It is nice they have Smith to back him up, but how long will that last?
The Packers actually didn't play to poorly offensively...but they need a more stout line--and a Tight end to make up for Finely's departure..that more than a running back.
The biggest loss is going to be John Dorsey...that guy has been important in the drafts
The Packers actually didn't play to poorly offensively...but they need a more stout line--and a Tight end to make up for Finely's departure..that more than a running back.
The biggest loss is going to be John Dorsey...that guy has been important in the drafts
I agree with you Johnson in the sense that once teams get sick of getting run on they're going to key on making the QB pay for any runs until they take him out.
For Kapernick at least he has the smarts to get out of bounds when it's appropriate. RGIII has that little man disease where he's always trying to prove how tough he is.
For Kapernick at least he has the smarts to get out of bounds when it's appropriate. RGIII has that little man disease where he's always trying to prove how tough he is.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
I agree. It's fine to have role players like that, but you can't have a team of role players.
The difference between San Fran and GB, aside from the OL, is the ILB's. Willis and Bowman are all over the field making plays. Willis was a terror blitzing and Bowman was always in the right spot in coverage. And both shed OL and tackle the ball carrier. Look at GBs defense, were Hawk and Jones even on the field? San Fran dominated getting to the 2nd level and making those ILBs non-factors. You can't do anything when you're ILBs are crapping their pants. Hawk is due 7.5 million in the offseason, if they agree to pay that with the level of play he's putting out, then someone deserves to be fired immediately. I know there are some who think it's knee-jerk or an overreaction to say Hawk flat out sucks, but he f'ing SUCKS!
Don't forget, the 49ers had multiple defensive players who were picked All Pro/Pro Bowl. They simply won't be able to pay all of those O-line/D-line/LBs/DBs and give a big raise to their young QB. Your best chance is when you have an up and coming QB who you don't have to break the bank on. Once you do and all of the other up and coming players want their big paycheck too, you simply can't sustain. That's why you don't see many "dynasties" anymore.
Harris had a 4.8 yard average last night and as a team had a 6.5 average. I would take that all season long.
The inconsistency of the gap control on D was maddening, and I didn't see any second half adjustments....
quote:We've scored well in the postseason games we've lost. We put up 45 against the Cardinals. 31 tonight. Less against the Giants, but I think we just quit offensively in that game. But in all three games, it's not been near enough.
To be fair and balanced, last nite the d scored seven and seven more came in garbage time. When it counted the o scored 17.
quote:Originally posted by YATittle:
Hawk needs to go.
What this guy said
Did they move the pocket at all with Rodgers last night? Can't remember them doing it even once. Rodgers may be the best QB ever at throwing on the run and they have him sit and ride the pocket the entire game. I just don't get it.
They could have used Bishop and Perry and Worthy last night but that is the way it goes. I think SF had a healthy club and they were playing at home with an extra week to prepare. That's a lot to overcome.
In games like this the margin of error is so small that you cant make glaring mistakes like muffing a punt within your 10 yard line or missing tackles or dropping passes or getting ill advised penalties and expect to win.
In games like this the margin of error is so small that you cant make glaring mistakes like muffing a punt within your 10 yard line or missing tackles or dropping passes or getting ill advised penalties and expect to win.
The truth of that stingsquote:@PackerUpdate
Remember how inept we all thought Bob Sanders was? His defenses never did this.
If RGIII comes back to anywhere near his rookie form, that's 2 NFC teams with running QB's that GB currently has no answer for.
None.
None.
Russell Wilson could be a third. He's much more confident now, and he's certainly capable of breaking off the big runs.
Yep. And Joe Webb they are not.
All of them are more then capable of throwing the ball very well. GB did nothing to force CK to stay in the pocket. And with someone like a healthy RGIII I cringe to think about how bad he coud make this defense look.
All of them are more then capable of throwing the ball very well. GB did nothing to force CK to stay in the pocket. And with someone like a healthy RGIII I cringe to think about how bad he coud make this defense look.
I do think its time for a new DC. Any good ones out there?
We kept rushing Kaepernick all night. The pressure got there a couple times, but more often than not, all the rush did was facilitate his running to daylight. We'd have been better off jamming up the line, and keeping containment to the outside.
When you have a guy that's not been a starter for long, the best thing a defensive coordinator can do is show him different looks. Keep him guessing, and make him uncomfortable. The constant blitzing just played into Kaepernick's hands.
When you have a guy that's not been a starter for long, the best thing a defensive coordinator can do is show him different looks. Keep him guessing, and make him uncomfortable. The constant blitzing just played into Kaepernick's hands.
quote:Originally posted by Ryan Grant:
I do think its time for a new DC. Any good ones out there?
I know it will be near-blasphemy on a Packer forum, but what about Lovie Smith?
quote:Originally posted by lambeausouth:quote:Originally posted by Ryan Grant:
I do think its time for a new DC. Any good ones out there?
I know it will be near-blasphemy on a Packer forum, but what about Lovie Smith?
Great, if can he bring Peppers, Tillman, Jennings and a old and oft injured Urlacher with him?
I would take Lovie Smith as a DC any day, but it seems very unlikely.
quote:Originally posted by Ryan Grant:
I do think its time for a new DC. Any good ones out there?
Anybody but Dom. Thank you for rescuing the unit but way too many epic fails for my taste.
quote:49ers 45, Packers 31: Unhappy ending
espnwisconsin.com
by Jason Wilde
San Francisco rolled up an astonishing 579 yards of total offense, the fourth-most yards gained by a team in a postseason game in NFL history.
...both Woodson and defensive tackle B.J. Raji bemoaned the coaching staffâs failure to adjust.
âI think it's the right defense. I just think when the game is going the way it is, you've got to try something different. It's hard to just continue to do the same thing over and over again and continue to get burned,â Woodson said. âThat's what I was talking about going forward. We need to figure out, could we have done something differently as far as our gameplan was concerned."
âIt hurts you bad, especially if you're in a lot of fire zones. If there is a breakdown somewhere, it's going to turn into a big breakdown.â
In response to multiple questions about the defensive approach, Raji replied: âThatâs a question better left for the coordinator.â continue
quote:Originally posted by eddiegbay:
Play calling doomed the Packers. (1) first 3 offensive plays were short sideline passes - one was to John Kuhn who couldn't catch the ball. John Kuhm runs the 100 yard dash in 1 minute and 30 seconds and is a 250 pound marshmellow. Packers never got into sync to start the game. (2) What is a rookie Ross #10 trying to catch a punt in a playoff game (and fumbled) who joined the team several weeks earlier. Why didn't Cobb start the game or play on the punt team in the first quarter? - He entered the game earlier - why not sooner? (3) Why not go for the fouth and 2 yards with nine minutes remaining in the game and down 2 touchdowns when the 49ers just drove down a tired GB defense for 93 yards and a TD? McCarthy gave the ball back to opponent by punting - the 49ers again took the ball and drove down the field for another 93 yard Packer pounding to score another TD. Duh. (4) having Driver suit up and not play was a distraction and letdown for the team regardless of the outcome of the game.
49ers had the previous week off and it showed.
Packers with a bye and playing in Lambeau are a totally different team. Dismantling or restructuring the team for next year is not required. Better team head coaching LEADERSHIP is the difference - McCarthy is not a leader but good admninistrator.
Boy, this is it in a nut shell. Great summary of the game. Punting with 9 minutes left was mind boggling. The defense was tired and it was 4th and 5, which is a short pass. I liked the odds of making it on 4th down more than giving it back to the 49ers. If the Packers did go down and score a TD, then they are only 7 down, and the defense had some time to rest. At that point the defense hopefully would have motivation to stop the 49ers and get the ball back to the offense.
quote:Originally posted by Ryan Grant:
I do think its time for a new DC. Any good ones out there?
I agree. The Packers' defense is historically bad. Things need to change and I say start with the DC and then the D coaches.
The Oline coach needs to go as well.
quote:Originally posted by YATittle:
The inconsistency of the gap control on D was maddening, and I didn't see any second half adjustments....
So true!!
quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:
For Kapernick at least he has the smarts to get out of bounds when it's appropriate. RGIII has that little man disease where he's always trying to prove how tough he is.
I agree about Kaepernick--I was shocked and impressed that he slid late in the game...he does not strike me as the coldest beer in the fridge...but he obviously is not quite as dumb as he looks---however, the taunt of Burnett speaks volumes about his personality--he is going to call the wrong LB: 'b*tch' and that will be his undoing... just adding up the runs eventually means that he is going to take some hellacious hits ---some folks don't care if your sliding or running out of bounds.....
quote:Originally posted by Pikes Peak:
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To be fair and balanced, last nite the d scored seven and seven more came in garbage time. When it counted the o scored 17.
DIng Ding Ding we have winner. Blame Capers, Greene, the whole coaching staff and palyers, but if the offense hadn't crapped the bed the defense would not have looked so bad. The best defense is your offense keeping the ball and the other team off the field. We did not accomplish this last night. Did we ever see 5 wide all night? Not that I remember. Did we see the what I call full house backfield last night? Not that I recall.
These last 2 Packer games are nearly identicle to the last 2 Badger games. In Big Ten Championship the Badgers played very well and were quite unlike what they had done all season. Then the Rose Bowl, vanilla and defeated. About the same as the Packers. Looked great against the Vikings with lots of different looks. Last night, very vanilla and defeated.
Our O will continue to suck in the playoffs with the **** in front of AR.
Our D will continue to suck in the playoffs with the **** LBs beside CM.
We're starting 3rd stringers in the playoffs not counting CM, JS, and Lang.
(I'm so sick of watching hawk I can't stand it)
Our D will continue to suck in the playoffs with the **** LBs beside CM.
We're starting 3rd stringers in the playoffs not counting CM, JS, and Lang.
(I'm so sick of watching hawk I can't stand it)
My point is that usually a GM gets the team he prioritized for. Obviously, this is tempered by having two #1 draft picks at offensive line out with injury. Sure cannot blame TT for that.quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
I love dominant offensive line play.
Doesn't everyone?
Two years ago, there was a topic on who to draft and my mantra was PROTECT THE QUARTERBACK. Offensive line, offensive line, offensive line.
Here we are and Rodgers was sacked more so than any other QB in the entire 32 team league.
How much does management LIKE dominant offensive line play relative to liking quality at other positions?
We have the best receivers. But, we often get outplayed in the trenches. Often the Pack barely has even a semblance of a running game.
Still, it is unfair to complain too much with those two #1's shelved with injury.
I guess even if accounting for the injury factor, I tend to think the Packers manage its team in such a way that talent level at o-line would never compare to a 49'er line.
Like it's not our style and I wish it was.
here's an idea,
we could, and i'm just spit balling here, draft somebody who knows how to play defense. that might gives us the ability to make plays of defense and, ya know, defend.
just a little food for thought.
Arthur Brown, KSU
Alec Ogletree, Georgia
Nico Johnson, Alabama
you pick, Ted.
we could, and i'm just spit balling here, draft somebody who knows how to play defense. that might gives us the ability to make plays of defense and, ya know, defend.
just a little food for thought.
Arthur Brown, KSU
Alec Ogletree, Georgia
Nico Johnson, Alabama
you pick, Ted.
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:My point is that usually a GM gets the team he prioritized for. Obviously, this is tempered by having two #1 draft picks at offensive line out with injury. Sure cannot blame TT for that.quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
I love dominant offensive line play.
Doesn't everyone?
Two years ago, there was a topic on who to draft and my mantra was PROTECT THE QUARTERBACK. Offensive line, offensive line, offensive line.
Here we are and Rodgers was sacked more so than any other QB in the entire 32 team league.
How much does management LIKE dominant offensive line play relative to liking quality at other positions?
We have the best receivers. But, we often get outplayed in the trenches. Often the Pack barely has even a semblance of a running game.
Still, it is unfair to complain too much with those two #1's shelved with injury.
I guess even if accounting for the injury factor, I tend to think the Packers manage its team in such a way that talent level at o-line would never compare to a 49'er line.
Like it's not our style and I wish it was.
But he can be blamed for thinking Saturday was the real deal and for not haveing better quality back-ups for those fallen 2 number 1's
quote:But he can be blamed for thinking Saturday was the real deal and for not haveing better quality back-ups for those fallen 2 number 1's
Yeah, PP, good point. Picking up an aging center who typifies the polar opposite of physically manhandling the opponent.
I just don't get it.
Yeah, Pack management lacks priority with respect to offensive line.
jmo - just my opinion.
TJ Lang didn't exactly blow me out of the water this year, either. For a guy who's supposed to be versatile, he sucked at RT (like he always has) and gave up a bunch of bad pressures in pass protect. Fair to question if he played as well as the 12th highest paid guard in the entire league should.
quote:I just don't get it.
Saturday constantly grades out as a well above average pass-blocking center, yes even this year. The Packers are a passing team. It really isn't that difficult to comprehend.
Two number 1 OL picks on IR and the Packs managment lacks priority with respect to the O line? Really ?
I feel the stupidity flowing in some of these posts.
quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:
TJ Lang didn't exactly blow me out of the water this year, either. For a guy who's supposed to be versatile, he sucked at RT (like he always has) and gave up a bunch of bad pressures in pass protect. Fair to question if he played as well as the 12th highest paid guard in the entire league should.
I agree. He's been bad this year. IMO, Sitton is the only guy on that line whose spot is guaranteed in 2013.
CM3 the only LB who would start for SF, Raji the only DL and Sitton the only OL, though they would have to move him, as they have 2 guards better than him. None of our RBs make the 9ers team. Lots of injuries hurt and yes, injuries can gut a team or a position. Happens every year to someone.
It is a constant struggle to keep a team within the cap, afford your stars, replace injured and aging players. Packers have historically valued passing and offense, back to Lambeau. TT spent 2 #1s on tackles, but got little for it this year. Both good value picks that might work out long term, but didn't this year.
Yes, we need better players. Some will come from IR, some from the draft. TT has built the team back into a perennial contender. I appreciate that, having lived through decades to poor teams that were playing for nothing in December. I also know that this is a golden age of Packer football - just about as good as it gets. As good as any other team over the past 5 years.
It is a constant struggle to keep a team within the cap, afford your stars, replace injured and aging players. Packers have historically valued passing and offense, back to Lambeau. TT spent 2 #1s on tackles, but got little for it this year. Both good value picks that might work out long term, but didn't this year.
Yes, we need better players. Some will come from IR, some from the draft. TT has built the team back into a perennial contender. I appreciate that, having lived through decades to poor teams that were playing for nothing in December. I also know that this is a golden age of Packer football - just about as good as it gets. As good as any other team over the past 5 years.