Zach Kruse@zachkruse2
Got the sense from watching the All-22 that Packers defense was more out-schemed in Atlanta than simply out-played.
So there's that......
MichiganPacker posted:A bad defensive coordinator takes good talent and schemes them to be lesser than the sum of their parts. We've seen many of these.
How many years of data would you need to determine it just might be this?
ChilliJon posted:RBs should never go untouched against a 10 man box for 35 yards on 1st and 10.
I have no earthly idea what House is trying to accomplish here. But beyond that there is virtually no gap responsibility going on. Brice, Martinez, and Burnett all start to collapse to the middle. Clark and Dial do their job. Clay sets the edge and forces this inside. This play should have been shut down at the line. House was never blocked and just ran himself out of the play on his own. I don't think he diagnosed run until the RB was off and running. Same goes for Brice. The net result is that the defense tried to put three defenders into an inside gap already being defended by two defensive players.
IMO this defense still looks like they aren't being prepared properly to play effective, consistent defense. That many players doing what they shouldn't be doing points to a coaching issue.
Good post. A question I would have is how many times stuff like this happens but doesn't result in a huge gain because a great player blows up the play. In other words, if this type of thing happened in 1996 but we never noticed it because Reggie White trashed his blocker and blew the play up in the backfield (or Leroy Butler sees it and prevents it from rupturing). Or in 2010, Charles Woodson diagnosis it and shoots a gap to grab the RB by the ankles just as he's turning it upfield. I don't know the answer to this, but it would be interesting to have a football guy look at this. Are the good defenses that much better because they almost never make mistakes or because a Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Charles Woodson, Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, Leroy Butler type makes enough plays to erase potential mistakes?
Great topic. We see these types of breakdowns on a regular basis. Gap responsibility is a relatively simple concept. I cant believe the scheme calls for the perimeter CB and S to run out of the play. Clay did such a great job setting the edge, and forced the play into a vacuum. Brice is young and can be coached up, but how does a 6 year vet look so clueless ? House has looked pretty iffy so far, in both pass and run.
House has been the second best cover guy after two games. He's doing a pretty good job. He's been pretty suspect in run recognition and support. He's failed to contain on two 30+ yard runs in two weeks.
Whats really troubling is the clip H5 posted from preseason week 3. Its the same offensive play made worse in that it wasn't House who failed to read and react. So this isn't a House problem.
Right now GBs trouble with stopping a pretty basic play design is a flashing green light to every OC that has GB on the schedule. It's the read option all over again. Best figure out a way to defend it or there's going to be a steady diet of it each week.
PS week 3 and vs ATL, it was the safety (I think Burnett, then Brice) who got picked out of the play by the crosser WR.
I don't know if the S is supposed recognize and pop outside to back fill where the CB vacated (King in PS, House v ATL), or if the CB is supposed to recognize and release the WR and stay in the gap? I'm thinking it's on CB. Unless it is man coverage?
Butler said the one against Atlanta was on House.
I always thought football was supposed to be entertainment. This thread proves that isn't the case.
ChilliJon posted:House has been the second best cover guy after two games. He's doing a pretty good job. He's been pretty suspect in run recognition and support. He's failed to contain on two 30+ yard runs in two weeks.
Maybe I just noticed his worst moments or that's an indictment on the rest of the secondary, as they've all had their issues. House was smoked by a Seattle WR but the pass rush bailed him out, Wilson overthrew the WR that had him beat, he was chasing and beat on another occasion but it was negated by penalty. Seems like the times I have focussed on him he's been trailing the receiver. That along with the run support gaffs made for my comment on him looking iffy. Only 2 games so we'll see.
House's calling card is his ability to disrupt/jam a WR at the line. He's never been known as a good cover or zone guy once the WR is past him.
GBFanForLife posted:I always thought football was supposed to be entertainment. This thread proves that isn't the case.
If you aren't entertained by reading the quality football analysis in Chillijon's, Hungry's, Michiganpacker's, etc...posts above , I'm not sure what to tell you.
I think the civil discussions had on x4 in regards to sports show exactly how entertaining the games are.
The hell I don't! LISTEN, KID! I've been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I'm out there busting my buns every night! Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!
justanotherpackerfan posted:The hell I don't! LISTEN, KID! I've been hearing that crap ever since I was at UCLA. I'm out there busting my buns every night! Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!
Kareem definitely got robbed by the Academy for not getting at least nominated for that performance.
GBFanForLife posted:I always thought football was supposed to be entertainment. This thread proves that isn't the case.
I'm not sure what the S responsibility is on that play, either, but I would start by telling those guys to keep their heads on a swivel. If they are looking into the backfield to the point of having tunnel vision, they'll never be aware of the oncoming cross.