Pos/Neg Packers Saints

Pos

1-I am not a Bucs fan. Lovie says the Bucs are "Still in it" I think he was referring to the playoff chase but Buc fans have been having fun with that statement from his press conference yesterday.

 

2-I am not a Bears Fans. As bad as the loss was last night, it was still on the road in a hostile environment and the Packers have not lost a home game yet

 

3. I am not a Viking fan-How bad is it you have to go to overtime to beat a bad Buc team that has less than 100 total yards of offense at the end of the third quarter.

 

4- I am not a Saints Fan-They just won their Super Bowl in October.

 

Negative

 

A J Hawk-TTs favorite ball player of all time who is accountable.

Dom Capers-Who is enjoying his last year as a defensive coordinator

McCarthys stupid play calling with Peppers as a WR

TT doing the clap, clap, clap when he was being shown on TV. And we thought this guy had no emotion.

 

Let's not forget that the D didn't have one of their best players (Shields), an up and comer in (D Jones).  I know injuries are part of the game, but you have to look at context too.  Shields back in, D Jones in the rotation, Burnett and Hyde isn't playing Safety and Hayward isn't playing corner, D plays better.   

There isn't a single team in the league that hasn't sustained injuries. No excuse at all.

       
       


You should never expect a D to stop a high powered offense completely, no matter what D it is. Every D is vulnerable somewhere and offenses like NO make their living exploiting those weaknesses. Expectations should always be tempered when facing an O like NO or GB. Always.

Where the expectations fell short in this game were the pass rush and the run D. Mark Ingram shouldn't be running for 170 yards even if you are selling out against the pass. The pass rush, with two elite pass rushers should have forced mistakes. They failed big time. The passing yards and big plays that Brees puts up are often times unavoidable, he is an elite QB with great weapons.

I'm not making an excuse, I'm trying to put it in context.  Shields, Jones, Burnett aren't done for the season.  Supposedly, the Packers are one of the deeper teams, that doesn't mean that our depth doesn't suck.  It means our depth doesn't suck as much as other teams depth.  

You should never expect a D to stop a high powered offense completely, no matter what D it is.

 

 

No one, even with lowered expectations, thought they would pitch a shut out.  No one is saying that, implying that, or hinting at that. 

 

Every D is vulnerable somewhere and offenses like NO make their living exploiting those weaknesses.

 

And exploit it they did.  Even with lowered expectations, did anyone expect a night where they exploited weakness more effectively than they did against Atlanta, Cleveland, Minnesota, Dallas, Tampa Bay and Detroit?  I would have hoped Green Bay could have performed superior to maybe one or two of those teams.

 

 Expectations should always be tempered when facing an O like NO or GB. Always.

 

OK (I think this is horse****).  My expectations were to be a somewhat competent defense.  They were demoralized and should sit in the corner and feel bad about themselves because they were bad.  I expect the Packer defense to be good enough to let the offense win games.  No excuses about rookies, talent, scheme, injuries, etc. etc.    

Where the expectations fell short in this game were the pass rush and the run D.

 

Hadn’t considered this.  Are you sure there isn't some other facet of the game we should open our minds too? 

 

 Mark Ingram shouldn't be running for 170 yards even if you are selling out against the pass. The pass rush, with two elite pass rushers should have forced mistakes. They failed big time. The passing yards and big plays that Brees puts up are often times unavoidable, he is an elite QB with great weapons.

 

Just so I am clear, the current excuse for poor defense is “couldn't help it,”  “unavoidable,” and “lower your expectations.”  

 

Sounds like a Chicago Cub fan.    

Or beef.

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You should never expect a D to stop a high powered offense completely,

Seattle 43
Denver 8

Their run defense is a joke and it has been for a while now and it's not just because Raji isn't there. 

The ILBs suck.  Datone Jones has been a bust and Worthy was a wasted pick.  Guion is a backup at best and Daniels isn't stout enough to man the middle. 

At some point you can only coach up stiffs so much.  People want to blame Compers but look what he has to work with on the front 7.  CMIII and not much else.

I thought Guion played OK.

 

 

I agree he was okay, but he also shouldn't be a starter on a playoff defense. As a backup he'd be solid, as a starter, not so much unless flanked/backed by good players.

Major +

 

College hoops starts soon.  Go Cats!

Are we sure Guion played OK?   I know he had a couple good plays in short yardage, but as a whole, I have hard time believing he played ok since we gave up 170 with most of it right up the gut. 

 

I don't think I can bring myself to watch the game again. #FirstWoldProblems

 

How could you possibly be disappointed by the defense ever? You have such a low opinion of your favorite team's D that there should be few instances where you're disappointed. It's not excuse making, it's being a realist...Drew Brees will put up 300+ yards and likely multiple TD's in game, that's just what he does...it sucks but if you're expecting less then you're kidding yourself. It's what GB and Denver and New England do also. It happens, move past it. Getting torched by Drew Brees doesn't mean your a bad D any more than getting torched by Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers does. 

 

Getting torched by Mark Ingram is a different genre of story all together. That's inexcusable. He's an average RB who should have been stuffed at the line. THAT is a big red flag that your D has problems. Clay Matthews getting stifled by Terron Armstead is a different story also, same for Julius Peppers vs whoever their RT is. Those guys should have been eating their Tackles for lunch, that's what they're getting paid millions and millions for. Oh I'm sorry is this criticism of the defense not suitable for you...maybe this is better:

F*CK YOU DOM CAPERS FOR SITTING IN THE BOOTH AND LETTING YOUR PLAYERS MISS TACKLES AND GET PUSHED AROUND...AMATEUR. 

Grave Digger, 44(would have been 50 if they didn't show mercy) is the most points they scored all year.     It's not a good thing when your teams surrenders season high points total to a team.   

 

It's an indication that they are not as good as the other teams they have faced.  Yes?  

 

ATL - 34

CLE - 24

MIN - 20

DAL - 17

TAM - 37

DET - 23

GB - 44

Not a good performance, case closed. 

Didn't say it was a good performance, it wasn't. 

 

IMHO, it's been nothing but excuse making.  An incredible dedication to excuse making.  

That's the impression I am getting from your posts that are defensive in nature. (no pun intended)  

 

I'm not saying they are the worst unit to ever be assembled, but at 19th for points per game, they sure don't impress me. 

 

 IMO, we have faced 3 good teams.  We lost all three of those games and in two of them we gave up 80 points combined. 

       
    
A lot of being a knee jerk reaction pu$$y who thinks people are stupid when they disagree with him on your end so I think we're even.

good lord

Duckies and bunnies for everyone!!   Super Bowl baby!

I think I need another strong beverage.   I thought the chat room got silly

The Packers offense played better than the scoreboard indicated. Those two Rodgers picks -- both not his fault -- eliminated two scoring drives during a very close game. Yes, the defense broke down at the end, but it happened off those two INTs. 

 

Also -- MM is an idiot (see: Peppers throw and onside kick; both showed MM didn't think he could beat the Saints straight up). 

It's easy to pile on McCarthy after a loss like this….So I will!!!--That was his worst game as a pro…I'd be angry with a 1A football coach that called some of that crap…to me the worst play was running Lacy at the two yard line seconds after his 65 yard pass play...

You know you are facing  hoccoli's crew, Drew Breese and Capers calling the defense---you must score...

I love McCarthy, but he has some brain farts, can't a manage a two minute clock and should have replaced Capers at the end of last year.

So in the 3 losses it's pretty much 2 things really stand out.....piss poor tackling (season long heck 2-3 year season long problem), piss poor OLine play.  Going to be really interesting what happens here with regards to Lang and his injury and Tretter and his return from injury. 

 

It is an oversimplification but sometimes that where it needs to start.  Improve those areas, R E L A X and enjoy the season.  Just get to the playoffs and anything can happen. 

The Packers lost their 3 toughest road tests. Thankfully they won't need to play those games again. They're set up to roll what's left. Come back next week after the bye and get to work.

Music, I know you don't mean it like this, but I don't care about the easy teams. I want GB to kick the snot out of a really good team with our D, and not let the game become a pinball contest in which we have to count on Rodgers to get a TD every time we touch the ball. Our D has to roll over NE, Phil, Det, and even stop Forte, before I'll get excited. And if they happen to roll over Capers with a road grader, well, I'd be downright giddy.

 

Going back to this and the poor defensive production, did Clay show their hand so to speak with the defensive plan going into the game, contain versus last weeks attack?

 

 

Maybe it's just me....but are the Packers purposely playing like dog $hit vs. Better teams??

It just wasn't their night

What makes MM's early dumbaszedness evem more puzzling is that the defense simply is better suited to playing with a multiple-score lead. If they score a TD there and the Saints still have to settle for a FG, it's a somewhat different game.

Apologize for the silent killer here and all.  But, this.  This CANNOT be understated.  The Packers defense is better when playing with a multiple score lead.  You know, compared to almost any other defense which thrives on playing from behind.  

 

It's this kind of in depth analysis that keeps me coming back here.   

Yup.....we got a reborn Steel Curtain with a 3 TD lead......Lace Curtain while behind

Look at the composition of their defense: An extreme lack of credible run defenders and a plethora of decent defensive backs and OLB/DE types. It's not just that they play better with the advantage, they're put together as if there's a built-in expectation of that advantage.

That's a polluted mindset.

 

Tackle the damn ball carrier.

 

 

 

Obviously people missed the Pack being outscored 14-0 in 4th quarter of the Panther game. I think both sides of the ball need to get it fixed when playing with a big lead.

Datone Jones has played well this season--his stats are similar to CMIII playing less downs and a more inside technique. He can hardly be blamed for poor play against the Saints, unless you felt he could have cheered harder…and if injury means bust than he has tons of company..Capers must have a better report on Hoccoli's backfield judges, Saints tendencies and Brees' strengths and alter play accordingly---watching Capers schemes, you'd think he never coached the Packers players  or was privy to information about the officiating staff, playing field or opponent. McCarthy's greatest mistake was keeping Capers for this season---A new spark could have been helpful and ample time to evaluate for the 2015 season.