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@PackerHawk posted:

If I were laying money on it I wouldn't take the over on 0.5 NFL games or 3 weeks for the MLB season. NBA is the only one with a fighting chance. 

The only glimmer of hope is the NFL is going to do daily testing compared to MLB's half assed approach to testing. But having these guys out in the real world instead of inside a bubble means it's just a matter of time before players start getting infected. Then you have the 2 week contact quarantine and it just snowballs from there. 

And yet the bubble concept is possible in the NFL. Get everyone down in Texas where even the high school fields are NFL ready. 

That’s the problem. Traveling from city to city just increases your chances of infection.  Not to mention lack of decent controls in place like sending players to play despite waiting for test results (thanks MLB). 

No way football can survive unless they pick a bubble or a few bubbles because the self control will not be there and player movement has to be reduced if not close to eliminated for this to have a chance.  Not to mention if star players choose to opt out it would cripple some teams. 

I give MLB maybe 2 more weeks and they will shut it down 

@fightphoe93 posted:

Put me on the ZERO train.  After seeing what’s happening in baseball, it just looks like 2020 is a lost year.  I am just hoping and praying this thing is under control in the US by Spring 2021.

Well, 3 weeks after posting this, I am feeling a bit better about the NFL’s chances.  The season won’t be smooth, but by testing everyone daily, they have a fighting chance of making the season happen.

There will be positive tests to be sure.  When they happen, if it can be contained quickly, they can keep the ship afloat.  They can learn from the mistakes that baseball has made hopefully.

Testing daily is fine, for the players. However, players will be interacting with people outside team facilities who aren't getting tested regularly and aren't following CDC recommendations (mask, SD, disinfecting...).

There will be cases and at least 1 team will have a STL Cardinals type outbreak. Then what?

I appreciate the efforts, but I believe it's unrealistic to think they are going to play a meaningful number of games to the point they can crown a Superb Owl.

I guess they could play 7 or 8 and just take the TV money?

Serious question: Given the number of players opting out, and the unknown number who will test positive and how many games they will miss, and how key those contests might be, how meaningful will the Superb Owl even be?

Any way you look at it, it just won't be the same as if the year were a regular year. Yes, injuries happen during a "regular" year, but this time healthy guys are out and if it's anything like MLB, batches of guys may be out at the same time.

@Tschmack posted:

That’s the problem. Traveling from city to city just increases your chances of infection.  Not to mention lack of decent controls in place like sending players to play despite waiting for test results (thanks MLB). 

No way football can survive unless they pick a bubble or a few bubbles because the self control will not be there and player movement has to be reduced if not close to eliminated for this to have a chance.  Not to mention if star players choose to opt out it would cripple some teams. 

I give MLB maybe 2 more weeks and they will shut it down 

Yeah, 2 weeks could be it for MLB. This Fall is supposed to get nasty for Covid-19. And then throw in the Flu season, on top of that. Time to find out when Flu shots are available...Early September, I'd guess.

 

@Blair Kiel posted:

Leave Maris alone!

The biggest asterisk needs to be next to Barry Bonds name.

I don't know what it is... maybe I was too naive as a youngster, but baseball sucks these days. It's so different now as it was in the 1960's (and before). How can players today compare to players like Mays, Mantle, and pitchers like Gibson and Palmer? They can't... unless they're on the juice.
The last great complete player was Pete Rose. The last great pitcher was Ryan.

JMHO. Others may vary.

@Timmy! posted:

I don't know what it is... maybe I was too naive as a youngster, but baseball sucks these days. It's so different now as it was in the 1960's (and before). How can players today compare to players like Mays, Mantle, and pitchers like Gibson and Palmer? They can't... unless they're on the juice.
The last great complete player was Pete Rose. The last great pitcher was Ryan.

JMHO. Others may vary.

Ken Griffey Jr
Mike Trout
Ricky Henderson
Frank Thomas
Greg Maddux
Tony Gwynn
Ichiro Suzuki
Randy Johnson
Madison Bumbgarner
Mariano Rivera

Lots of great players without PED issues since Rose and Ryan. 

I still think they won't have games this Fall. I can see games postponed until Spring, if the virus is under control, by then. If they do postpone games until Spring, it will be interesting to see how they broadcast those games. Every network seems to be jockeying to position their broadcast schedules. What do they do if they are obligated, by contract to air an NFL game when they already have signed on to broadcast an MLB game? Sure, it may be unlikely this happens, but who knows in Covid Country?

The myocarditis risk from COVID19 will be the thing that shuts games down, if anything does. 

https://www.espn.com/college-f...tion-linked-covid-19

That's at least two athletes that have been diagnosed with this. This Georgia State kid and the #1 pitcher for the Boston Red Sox.  

Of course, football is a game where a significant percentage of players get CTE later in life, so they may look at health risk differently than other athletes (NBA or MLB) or normal people. 

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