No Packers nominated to Pro Bowl.
Start season as an arguable favorite to go to super bowl. End season near .500, no play offs and no pro bowl nominees.
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The only guys that I can think of that played anywhere close to a Pro Bowl-level would be Clark or Lowery.
Of course, ARod's injury put the screws to any chance he or the WRs may have had...
Bhak had a very good year, should have went.
Clark and yes, Damarious, could be Pro Bowlers in 2018 if they keep ascending.
Adams did more than enough to get in. Rodgers should get in on the indisputable proof that he covers the mediocrity of MM/DC. But that would be too controversial and they know Rodgers would not show up.
Is this what we've been reduced to....caring about the Pro Bowl?
Hard to make the case for a defensive player when the unit is near or at the bottom of almost every statistical category. Not completely fair, but that's how it works.
Hard to believe with all the significant talent they have, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
Both Calais Campbell and AJ Bouye are 1st team and were available last offseason.
Calais Campbell signed a 4 year, $60,000,000 contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, including a $6,000,000 signing bonus, $30,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $15,000,000.
A.J. Bouye signed a 5 year, $67,500,000 contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $26,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $13,500,000.
Packers just need to let Rodgers go and keep Hundley. Those contracts would be easily affordable.
Does anyone even watch this game anymore?
I have better things to do....like sleeping
I would have been willing to throw huge money at Bouye but probably wouldn't have gone that high. But in retrospect, he would have been the ideal signing. Packers still 10+ million under the cap and Bouye's first year cap number is under 5.5 million so he would have fit easily under this season's cap. Next year that number balloons to 15.5 million but the Packers have 37 million in effective cap space and other than Adams and Burnett where are they going to use all that space? Not to mention the savings by releasing Cobb would end up covering more than 60% of Bouye's cap number. The year after that Clay Matthews and Jordy Nelson's contracts come off the books which is over 24 million in cap space. If the Packers had to cut Bouye after the 2019 season the amount of dead money they would be on the hook for would only be 4 million dollars...currently Martellus Bennett represents 4.2 million in dead cap space on the Packer's 2018 cap, hardly a crippling situation.
The kid many thought could have been signed was Logan Ryan who's been very good all year with the Titans. His contract was equivalent to what Shield was making
Logan Ryan signed a 3 year, $30,000,000 contract with the Tennessee Titans, including a $2,000,000 signing bonus, $16,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $10,000,000. In 2017, Ryan will earn a base salary of $5,000,000, a signing bonus of $2,000,000 and a roster bonus of $3,000,000.
From PFF in late November:
CB Logan Ryan, 84.3 overall grade
After surrendering an early reception to Colts WR Kamar Aiken, Ryan shut out opposing receivers for the remainder of the game. He was targeted four times, giving up the one catch for seven yards while also breaking up two passes. Ryan has limited opposing receivers to 201 yards on 26 targets so far this season with three pass break ups. Monday Night was arguably his best coverage game of the season, and he had a coverage grade of 84.3.
bvan posted:Calais Campbell signed a 4 year, $60,000,000 contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, including a $6,000,000 signing bonus, $30,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $15,000,000.
A.J. Bouye signed a 5 year, $67,500,000 contract with the Jacksonville Jaguars, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $26,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $13,500,000.
Calais Campbell is a great player, but I would bet Mike Daniels and Kenny Clark would both get large contract offers from numerous teams if they were free agents this year. They are both excellent players who play hard every down.
If you look at the Packers DL, you have Daniels and Clark along with Lowry who also seemed to individually play well.
If you look at the Packers LBs, you'd say that Matthews, Martinez, Brooks, Ryan, and even Perry all played well individually (at least for significant portions of the season). There are no AJ Hawk circa 2014-15 types getting constantly burned.
If you look at the safeties, you'd say they played poorly but both are still in their prime and have played at new Pro Bowl levels in the past.
CB is still a problem, but not the cluster it was last year.
The sum is much, much less than the parts. This defense gets beat by scheme much more than it gets beat because they are playing guys that aren't talented enough.
Dom has to go.
NFL1000: The 5 Worst Players at Every Position
A couple of Packers at Corner and ILB.
I get the calls for the removal of Capers at this time. I look at the trades & picks that TT has made in the last 6 years and on the D line of the ledger he hasn't been "lights out" at selecting players . He failed imo in many of the active players he cut.
YATittle posted:Can't argue with those selections...
Hawkins shouldn't be even on the field as a CB. It's not his fault. His ceiling is that of a core special teams player who can play CB in an emergency.
King, Randall, Rollins, House, and Goodson are all in front of him on the depth chart.
Jake Ryan is AJ Hawk part 2.
Interesting the former Packers that are on the list: Giacomini is the worst OL, Eddie is the worst RB, JC Tretter is one of the worst centers. It's almost like Packer offensive players get somewhat overrated after playing with a QB that covers up deficiencies in lineman and skill position players.
Mcpacker64 posted:I get the calls for the removal of Capers at this time. I look at the trades & picks that TT has made in the last 6 years and on the D line of the ledger he hasn't been "lights out" at selecting players . He failed imo in many of the active players he cut.
I think a lot of teams would take a DL of Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, and Dean Lowry.
We've debated this a lot on the forum, but I think it's scheme and not talent. The Packers get beat often on defense from blowing assignments, not lining up correctly, having 10 guys on the field. Guys end up running free through the middle of the field. It's one thing when Antonio Brown makes a great play on you. He's a HOF player, that's what those guys do. It's another thing when Greg Olsen runs a go route and catches a TD with no one near him. Or McCaffrey can run either an inside or outside cut and be wide open either way on a play that Matthews diagnosed before the snap.
MichiganPacker posted:YATittle posted:Can't argue with those selections...
Hawkins shouldn't be even on the field as a CB. It's not his fault. His ceiling is that of a core special teams player who can play CB in an emergency.
King, Randall, Rollins, House, and Goodson are all in front of him on the depth chart.
Jake Ryan is AJ Hawk part 2.
Interesting the former Packers that are on the list: Giacomini is the worst OL, Eddie is the worst RB, JC Tretter is one of the worst centers. It's almost like Packer offensive players get somewhat overrated after playing with a QB that covers up deficiencies in lineman and skill position players.
Zombo is on the list too.
All the guys beat out somebody. Zombo and Giacomini have been in the league for years. 32 teams and the talent is diluted.
At least Lacy used to be a contender. Second favorite GB RB I've seen play.
bvan posted:NFL1000: The 5 Worst Players at Every Position
A couple of Packers at Corner and ILB.
Interesting is the ex-Packers on the list.
And at least one that will hopefully be an ex-Packer next year!
DH13 posted:At least Lacy used to be a contender. Second favorite GB RB I've seen play.
I loved Lacy in 2013/2014. I think he was still young and fresh enough that any extra weight on him really didn't affect his play. Unfortunately the decline happened quickly for him. I was worried he'd somehow get it together with the Seahawks, but if anything I think he's been rendered completely ineffective there with almost zero help from his O-Line.
Mike Daniels, a three-time Pro Bowl alternate, finally gets the call to play in the game. The Packers DT replaces the Rams' Aaron Donald, who is unable to participate due to injury. https://t.co/GmkgtSQd6C
— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) January 9, 2018
