Punt Return Unit

Absolutely insane. It's easy to say it's simply a coaching issue, but a performance this poor indicates a deeper issue. All the ST units have been resoundingly terrible overall except for Crosby and Hunter Bradley, although I don't see Bradley make many plays in coverage as he's supposed to. So it is a coaching issue, but I also think Gute may have gone too far to the opposite extreme of TT. Ted seemed to sacrifice needed depth to keep ST guys like Janis, Bush, Lattimore, etc. Gute seems to want to load up on players he believes can contribute, but are clearly don't have the knack for ST. Find a happy medium, keep a couple of Bush's around to set the tone, find a speedy returner to be your #6 WR, and bring in a coach who can work with the entire fucking team on tackling. I mean, SF and KC are seemingly 5 deep with players who have legit 4.3/4.4 speed who can be utilized on offense and STs...meanwhile we're running reverses to Lazard, who did well, but having a fast WR would have gone for a TD. 

Record for punt return futility is 25 yards by the 1965 St. Louis Cardinals. Packers well on the way to shattering that one.

Whether it's an end around by Lazard or a quick out/screen to Allison, our receivers are always getting caught from behind by LB's.

Because neither of them are fast.

EC Pack posted:

Because neither of them are fast.

Not many fast guys on the team. That has been obvious for almost a decade.

Packers have been small and slow. A bad combination. They added some speed in the last couple of years but still need much more to be able to compete with the best rosters in the NFL.

They just don't have much speed and it shows. They have a few guys but they need to overwhelm opposing teams with speed all over the field otherwise the opposition can scheme to take the few speed guys away then they have nowhere to go.

Since there are no returns how can this unit be called the punt return team?

I do like the guy we have returning punts. He was solid one year for KC. If given blocking he may make it work.

We could double our Punt return yardage in one game !! Course that would mean -22 yards total !!! 

Pikes Peak posted:

Since there are no returns how can this unit be called the punt return team?

 

Rename it "the punt catch team." Or, the "zero-return-on-investment team."  Or, the "cheapskate coach/bad results team."

I like.....

"zero-return-on-investment team."

Did the self-scout reveal anything about ST's over the bye?? Because through 11 games it's revealed quite a bit, most not good at all. 

You know it's bad when Ron Zook would be considered an upgrade. 

I long for the days of getting Zook'd!

No..  Zook'd means a mistake happened.   So far, we have been mostly mistake free.   We are totally inept, but not mistake prone.     

I prefer that to Ty Montgomery taking the ball out of Rodgers hands. 

Perhaps the Packers could learn a thing or 2

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— Bears Barroom (@BearsBarroom) November 28, 2019

The two teams with the fewest punt return yards this season will meet at Lambeau on Sunday:

31st place: Redskins with 90
32nd place: Packers with -8

— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) December 4, 2019

Quite a gap between 31 and 32.

Hey! We're only 98 yards behind!

I don't remember the -8.

The record (low) for a season is +27 yards.

I think we gained 3 yards last game. 4 more games we might finish +4. 

-8 doesn’t happen because you have no returners, it happens because there is an idiot scheming the returns. 

Flush the toilet.

That’s right. A good returner is nice, but some blocking is kind of important too. The Packer returners are being swarmed before they even catch the punt. Ugly

The obvious solution here is to just not make the other team punt.

Just block the punt. 

LaFleur on return game: "I think we've got to block a lot better to get the return going, and sometimes you have to make a guy miss as well." Basically, #Packers haven't been able to do either this season.

— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) December 5, 2019

Understatement tweet of the year.  

#Packers ST coordinator Shawn Mennenga on team's -8 total punt return yards this season:

"I don't want to have that hanging on my head. I want to lead the league in everything. It does bother me."

— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) December 5, 2019

Great.

And I want to bang Elizabeth Hurley.

I've heard she has a fondness for the hirsute so...

I don't want to have that hanging on my head.

Then you can resign....

Will not be surprised if the Packers have a big gainer or return TD in the next 4 games. Law of averages, right?

I like your optimism.

PackLandVA posted:

Will not be surprised if the Packers have a big gainer or return TD in the next 4 games. Law of averages, right?

It'll be called back

Yeah, but for that fleeting moment, we'll all be happy and celebrate!

Well..... Meninga is leading the league in worst return units

#Packers special teams coordinator Shawn Mennenga said it was a combination of better blocking and better returning from Tyler Ervin that finally, mercifully sparked positive yardage in the punt return unit. "He's the definition of a north-south returner," Mennenga said of Ervin.

— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) December 12, 2019

Wow, thanks for breaking it down for us simpletons Shawn.

Well to be fair it was probably in response to a stupid question.

Doesn't matter if you're a north-south runner if the blocking is east-west.

Swervin' Ervin. We finally have a fearless returner who knows how to run forward and when to fair catch.