TT is just trying to motivate AArod with a ****ty punter. Can't rely on a punter to bail you out, AArod, anytime you fail to make a first down.
What do you have against Martinez?
Oh, and good thing you quoted the post directly above yours. Some might not have been able to follow.
Hungry5 posted:What do you have against Martinez?
Oh, and good thing you quoted the post directly above yours. Some might not have been able to follow.
Always glad to help.
I was disappointed they didn't go with Mortell.
He's still available.
From what I recall Mortell was duffing punts like I duff chip shots. Or any golf shot. My golf ball brand is Sputnik.
The conventional wisdom seems to be: Guys who can perform well above Schum's level can be found in a Home Depot parking lot with the rest of the day laborers. Which raises the question: Why is every team paying more than the Packers for their punter? 8 of last year's playoff team's punters were 16th or lower in net average-Non was higher than 8th.
The most important characteristic for a punter is he doesn't lose games with turnovers or by out kicking his coverage and setting up big returns. The second most important is his salary.
When you look at the stats, roughly half of the punters in the league are below average. I don't get it. These are supposed to be professionals.
There was a time when the Packers would hold open tryouts for needs like this. Just sayin. There's a lot of us with potential out there Ted. Give us a shot!
grignon posted:
As long as he doesn't fumble or get blocked ANY punter is good enough.
I'll respectfully disagree.
Giving the opposition short fields to work with puts an extra burden on defense they don't need. It's further aggravated when they get the ubiquitous stupid holding penalty or Janis' gaffe.
Punts should generally be between 40-45 yards with enough hang time to allow coverage to converge on the ball.
Now people, somebody has to be 31st
The dog looks disinterested.
If the dog was TT the young fella would be in green and gold
Zook home movie. Dogs name is probably Gunner.
like GRIGNON the Destroyer said, as long as it doesn't seep into field goals...
I think he prefers Grignon the Ghastly. I know I would. Henry doesn't exactly strike terror in the hearts of your enemies . . . or punters. New punting coach is needed.
Net average isn't always a great measure of a Punter. Hang time, inside 20, return yardage, and touchbacks are good indicators of Punting performance IMO. Low return yardage and hangtime indicate that a Punter is giving his coverage time to make a play and good numbers inside the 20 and low touchbacks mean he's punting well on a short field. That's the thing, if you're punting from the 50 then you're almost guaranteed to have a punt under 40 yards (unless you really nail a coffin corner inside the 10) which drops your net average.
Bring back Ginger or or Martell or Chris Kluwe for a tryout.
DO SOMETHING!!
Grave Digger posted:Net average isn't always a great measure of a Punter. Hang time, inside 20, return yardage, and touchbacks are good indicators of Punting performance IMO. Low return yardage and hangtime indicate that a Punter is giving his coverage time to make a play and good numbers inside the 20 and low touchbacks mean he's punting well on a short field. That's the thing, if you're punting from the 50 then you're almost guaranteed to have a punt under 40 yards (unless you really nail a coffin corner inside the 10) which drops your net average.
You do know the games are televised right?
I'm not defending Schum at all, his stats are pathetic across the board. I was responding to grignon saying ANY Punter was good enough because the net average ranking for Punters of top teams was in the bottom of the league. Net average doesn't mean much in reality, just like yardage stats on offense and defense.
Since the point of a punt is to move the line of scrimmage away from the goal line on a change of possession, the average net would seem to be the best current measure of the punter's success. Yes, I'm sure an advanced algorithm that factors game state, field position, fair catches, wind direction etc could be devised. My feeling is punters' WAR numbers will peak in the ± low tenths. For a career.
Schum is (so far) good at limiting returns and forcing fair catches. And the $800K he isn't being paid could be earning .3% in an interest bearing checking account.
He's had 5 fair catches vs. 4 returns, I don't think he's been good at limiting anything. The coverage team has been okay at limiting returns with a 9 yard return average. Considering he's also been punting more frequently from inside his own 25, short punts with good hang time and fair catches aren't the best option. It's not his fault where he punts from, but a 38 yard average from even the 25 puts the opposing offense on their own 37. In fact the average starting position for our opponents is their own 31, which is 29th in the league.
Hang time is what lost Masthay his job. Scum has better hang-time but he just doesn't have an NFL leg.
"He's had 5 fair catches vs. 4 returns, " Out of 15 punts, that places him near the top, percentage-wise.
"In fact the average starting position for our opponents is their own 31, which is 29th in the league. "- If the Packer jettison Schum AND find a punter with an extra 6 yards of net (maybe in the sofa cushions) they might well move up in the defensive starting position rankings. I could see top ten, even.
Think of TD drives the opponents have started near the 50. If only the punter had kicked it 2 more yards, poof- field goals instead. 4 point difference from only 2 yards. So obvious and yet TT stays with the poocher.
Since we have a non-NFL-legged punter it would help if our offense could get the ball out of our half of the field, or at least closer to mid-field. A 38-yard punt doesn't look so bad from the 50 yard line.
If Crosby would just consistently hit 75-yarders we'd never know there's an issue. Why did TT stick with that bum?
McCarthy needs to take the shackles off the offense.
grignon posted:"He's had 5 fair catches vs. 4 returns, " Out of 15 punts, that places him near the top, percentage-wise.
"In fact the average starting position for our opponents is their own 31, which is 29th in the league. "- If the Packer jettison Schum AND find a punter with an extra 6 yards of net (maybe in the sofa cushions) they might well move up in the defensive starting position rankings. I could see top ten, even.
Think of TD drives the opponents have started near the 50. If only the punter had kicked it 2 more yards, poof- field goals instead. 4 point difference from only 2 yards. So obvious and yet TT stays with the poocher.
It's like watching the game through a stock tape ticker.
Hungry5 posted:McCarthy needs to take the shackles off the offense.
Between dropped and/or poorly thrown passes, there has been plenty of offense left on the field. Executing half of those plays would unshackle something.
grignon posted:"He's had 5 fair catches vs. 4 returns, " Out of 15 punts, that places him near the top, percentage-wise.
"In fact the average starting position for our opponents is their own 31, which is 29th in the league. "- If the Packer jettison Schum AND find a punter with an extra 6 yards of net (maybe in the sofa cushions) they might well move up in the defensive starting position rankings. I could see top ten, even.
Think of TD drives the opponents have started near the 50. If only the punter had kicked it 2 more yards, poof- field goals instead. 4 point difference from only 2 yards. So obvious and yet TT stays with the poocher.
This is precisely why Net Average is a measure of nothing. It's not teams starting on the 31 that is the issue, it's the fact that the 31 is the average field position meaning teams are starting drives closer to the 50 than they should. If you don't understand why starting field position is a major issue then I don't know what to say. Let's look at each of his punts because the issue seems to be disagree on how to generalize his stats. I will bold his good punts:
42 yard punt, returned to opponent 38
48 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 21
46 yard punt, out of bounds at opponent 47
34 yard punt, out of bounds at opponent 47
38 yard punt, downed at opponent 47
42 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 46
35 yard punt, out of bounds at opponent 34
34 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 13
44 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 23
39 yard punt, returned to opponent 13
28 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 38
33 yard punt, out of bounds at opponent 45
36 yard punt, returned to opponent 39
32 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 47
39 yard punt, out of bounds at opponent 34
I see just 4 punts that would be considered good in 4 games. The other 12 punts the opponent has started a little bit past their own 40. He's not a pooch punter or a coffin corner specialist, he just sucks and he's hurting the D. Statistically it's much less likely a team will score a TD or FG when starting inside their own 25 than at their own 40. It's not that he needs to just a measly 2 more yards, he needs to be consistently booting it 15 more yards while maintaining his hang time.
I knew he sucked, but laying the punts out like that really drives it home.
Seriously, why not call the GreenBay kid at this point?
I don't think Masthay is any better at this point, but I'd rather go with the devil we know, especially in cold weather.
Hopefully TT and MM have him on an extremely short leash. Not much room for error as well as the Queens are playing and having the Packers lose a game in part due to poor punting is a concern. Really appears TT just wanted to replace Masthay and the planning for his replacement seems pretty minimal, to say the least.
They won't lose a game due to poor punting, they'll lose due to punting at all. With the way the defense is playing, and the potential of this offense. They should rarely punt.
Hungry5 posted:McCarthy needs to take the shackles off the offense.
Sshhhhh......you'll ruin the surprise
Grave Digger posted:42 yard punt, returned to opponent 38
48 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 21
46 yard punt, out of bounds at opponent 47
34 yard punt, out of bounds at opponent 47
38 yard punt, downed at opponent 47
42 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 46
35 yard punt, out of bounds at opponent 34
34 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 13
44 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 23
39 yard punt, returned to opponent 13
28 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 38
33 yard punt, out of bounds at opponent 45
36 yard punt, returned to opponent 39
32 yard punt, fair caught at opponent 47
39 yard punt, out of bounds at opponent 34.
If you think this list stinks of "three and out" you'd be right. There are only three offenses in football that have more three and out drives than GB. 49ers, Dolphins, and Rams.
A staggering 28% of GB drives end in three and out.
You think about those three offenses and compare them to a team with a two time MVP QB, one of the better OL's in football, quality at WR, a RB that's averaging 5.5 yards per carry and almost 1/3 of their drives are three and out.
It makes no ****ing sense.
