Push to get rid of the injury creater called: Artifical Grass

How many more turf injuries can teams afford to have? Get rid of the carpet.

It's gotta go. Donate small swatches to trailer parks and campgrounds.

It’s probably best for the turf to go as long as it’s not replaced with the shitty playing surface that existed in Chicago for years.   You get into November and beyond timeframe and that playing surface sucked.  

I do wonder if limiting practice reps prior to the season is leading to more soft tissue injuries to start the year?  Let’s not forget that Rodgers had a calf issue coming into the year which may have also contributed to his Achilles injury.

Are there other options besides artificial turf for domed stadiums?

@Dr._Bob posted:

Are there other options besides artificial turf for domed stadiums?

Absolutely. They can truck in turf from anywhere. They brought grass into the old Silverdome for soccer IIRC.

Phoenix grows their grass outside on a tray and rolls in for games.

@Dr._Bob posted:

Are there other options besides artificial turf for domed stadiums?

Years ago it was impossible for the grass to thrive in dome stadiums. I believe its because of not getting enough UV rays, aka sun? Now, there has been experiments with types of grass and combined with some kind of lighting that can produce UV rays, it can be possible for natural turf under the dome.

I see it like this.  If they can make fake Christmas trees that look and feel real certainly they can make fake turf perform like grass.

That artificial turf is just carpet laid over concrete.  At least they could make something better than that.

Whilst I agree about getting rid of turf, Imagine what that field at Met Life would have looked like Monday night after that monsoon during the Giants game Sunday night if it was grass.

@MaximusHess posted:

Years ago it was impossible for the grass to thrive in dome stadiums. I believe its because of not getting enough UV rays, aka sun? Now, there has been experiments with types of grass and combined with some kind of lighting that can produce UV rays, it can be possible for natural turf under the dome.

Indoor pot farmers can tell you all about the type of lights needed.

@Benzene posted:

I see it like this.  If they can make fake Christmas trees that look and feel real certainly they can make fake turf perform like grass.

That artificial turf is just carpet laid over concrete.  At least they could make something better than that.

There’s a whole industry that has been working on that for 60 years..they’ve come a long way. Played a lot of college soccer on what felt like a Brillo pad. Just a couple weeks ago walked on Northwestern’s soccer pitch and it was light years better. I tore both acl’s on the old shit.

Packerhawk tore his acl on AstroTurf as well…some girls from the field hockey team were chasing him off their practice field and he tripped.

@bvan posted:

Indoor pot farmers can tell you all about the type of lights needed.

[Goldie perks up ears]

packers play on that shit in atlanta on sunday.  hope no one gets hurt.  i’d keep gary on the bench

It's going nowhere, because at the end of the day, old rich white men run this league, and it's commissioner.

We sure don’t appear in tv ads….Astroturf is our last bastion.

Goodell says some players like artificial turf. Not buying it. It's not like Goodell wouldn't lie about something like that.

I’ve been looking today regarding infection rates post reconstructive surgery for pro athletes that were injured on turf versus grass.  Looks like there may be something to that as well with turf being worse.  Only found 2 articles so could use a few more to say conclusively but could be another point to bring up.  

@Blair Kiel posted:

Phoenix grows their grass outside on a tray and rolls in for games.

You’ve got Goldie’s attention.

@Chongo posted:

It's going nowhere, because at the end of the day, old rich white men run this league, and it's commissioner.

All day. This. They have the data. Just like they had the data for years on concussions. If it doesn’t impact their pocket book , they literally don’t give a fuck. It would take star players refusing to play and viewers turning off their TVs. And they know the chances of that are slim and none.

@Dr._Bob posted:

Are there other options besides artificial turf for domed stadiums?

Daughter’s HS softball team plays on field turf.  Was surprised how soft it was.  Only gripe I had was you get above 85 degrees and it felt like playing on the sun walking around out there.

@packerboi posted:

All day. This. They have the data. Just like they had the data for years on concussions. If it doesn’t impact their pocket book , they literally don’t give a fuck. It would take star players refusing to play and viewers turning off their TVs. And they know the chances of that are slim and none.

You’d have to get a players strike, and even then it’s no guarantee. Best case NFLPA will use this to get something they want that won’t cost league money, like no longer testing for cannibis. It’s politics, just like Washington DC.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

I have one of those. 

@Blair Kiel posted:

Phoenix grows their grass outside on a tray and rolls in for games.

Goldie grows hers in the garden and rolls it up for ... damn near anything I guess.

Antooo, you've been making my week.

@Blair Kiel posted:

Phoenix grows their grass outside on a tray and rolls in for games.

And it was horrible for the Super Bowl. Slippery as hell and the players complained.  To be fair - the normal grounds crew was not in charge.  Some old geezer from the NFL was in charge of the field for 3 weeks prior to the game and did things his way.  He then retired after the game I believe!  😂

When Bong was team manager of his high school squad, he pruned the field with a tweezers.

That's commitment.

@Blair Kiel posted:

Phoenix grows their grass outside on a tray and rolls in for games.

That system was designed into the overall stadium design.  I don't think you can do that just anywhere, especially after October at most latitudes.  But if they're simply trucking in sod to places like Detroit, for FIFA, then you'd think it's possible anywhere.

@Jessie Clark posted:

packers play on that shit in atlanta on sunday.  hope no one gets hurt.  i’d keep gary on the bench

And maybe Bahk too. Or at least on a snap count.

@PA green & gold posted:

And it was horrible for the Super Bowl. Slippery as hell and the players complained.  To be fair - the normal grounds crew was not in charge.  Some old geezer from the NFL was in charge of the field for 3 weeks prior to the game and did things his way.  He then retired after the game I believe!  😂

According to him, the local crew didn't listen to his instructions.  I'll look up the link when I get home tonight

@packerboi posted:

If it doesn’t impact their pocket book , they literally don’t give a fuck.

This is the answer to absolutely every question in life.

@lovepack posted:

It's gotta go. Donate small swatches to trailer parks and campgrounds.

What, you want those people to tear ligaments?

The artificial turf containing recycled tires is also suspected of causing cancer among youth soccer players, and especially goalies. Here's an article. They have gone to more of a wood product infill that is as slippery as ice, and soccer players hate it.

My kid just played a soccer game on artificial turf on a 90-degree day. On the turf, it was at least 20 degrees hotter. He said he didn't even know how he made it through the 3/4 of the game he played. Brutal.

If I'm not mistaken, the majority of damage that happens to grass fields is from other events (concerts, marching bands, etc.). Short of replacing the field before a game, they would have to use something to protect the grass (an elevated 'floor'?). Modular construction should mean quick and easy installation/removal.
Otherwise, repair/removal/replacement of grass would seem to be a constant, and more expensive, proposition. Logistics and available time could be problematic.

One thing I am convinced of is there is certainly enough money to solve these problems. Stadium owner/operators, teams, player union, and the league can all contribute something.
It's always much easier spending other people's money!

As a (old) fan, I liked the 'mudder' games. It was just a part of conditions, and is the same as playing in extreme cold or heat, rain, or snow.
I know there are other fans that feel the opposite, and they have valid points, but it seems it has to be one or the other.

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Well we used to play football in the street and we liked it. 

Til you took a hitch to the shin

We rubbed some rebar on it and kept going.

@Chongo posted:

You’d have to get a players strike, and even then it’s no guarantee. Best case NFLPA will use this to get something they want that won’t cost league money, like no longer testing for cannibis. It’s politics, just like Washington DC.

Great idea. No grass, no players, no income. Football injuries can bee career ending, why not eliminate one cause that can be fixed.