when this coaching staff gets fired, who if any Will find a job with another team. Maybe MM as a qb coach or maybe as a oc. But who else would get a job??
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Revolving door for assistants....they all land somewhere, college or pro
Or maybe high school.
(Then again, Bo Pellini is still in the college coaching ranks, at Youngstown State.)
Some people at Notre Dame think Clements is their answer, I don't see it. I think he and Edgar Bennett are examples of the Peter Principle. Ron Zook....maybe a high school team picks him up.
I'd guess the popular consensus is that Whitt, Jr. and Perry (DBs), and Moss (LBs) are the defensive coaches that do the best. Trgovac and Montgomery (DL) have done well with Guion and Clark, but our DL was sketchy just a year or 2 ago.
Offense...who knows?
I'd think Van Pelt may have some value, depending on ARod's opinion of him.
Campen was once hated, then loved. No idea if he has any value to other teams. I also don't know if there are teams still utilizing 'zone blocking'. That's what he was hired for, although I think that scheme has evolved into a hybrid or variant.
Edgar started off well with RBs, did reasonably well with the WRs, but seems to have got lost in the wash since his "promotion" to OC.
I don't think of any of these coaches as being ready to become a coordinator, but could see any of them getting same or similar roles with different teams.
If the coaching staff indeed gets fired after this year, it would be interesting to see if any of them would have value to the new HC.
bandit posted:when this coaching staff gets fired, who if any Will find a job with another team. Maybe MM as a qb coach or maybe as a oc. But who else would get a job??
It'll take about 5 minutes for MM to become a HC again if he's fired at the end of the season, just like it did with Andy Reid, Gruden etc. Winning a SB and having his W/L record goes a long, long way in the NFL. Teams like Cleveland, the Jags, even within our own division with the Lions and Bears who under Fox isn't playing well, I could easily see them making him HC in a heartbeat.
And with that, he could take most of his staff. Finding employment for MM won't be an issue.
Well first of all I don't think the Packers will clean house to the extent everyone wants them to. If they do it is only my hunch that the first round will be purging the staff with Capers being gone and possibly Bennett. Anyhow I will play along if the Packers were to clean house on the coaching staff.
For as much as people hate McCarthy I think if he still wants to coach he will be unemployed for about 4 minutes. NFL teams are going to be intrigued by a coach who has won a Super Bowl and had taken an NFL team to the playoffs seven straight years. Some possible landing spots are Buffalo, NYJ, Rams, 49ers, and yes Chicago. Would he go to the Bears? who knows but talk about the ultimate middle finger if he is let go. Be careful of what we wish for Packers fans sometimes things backfire.
McCarthy would get picked up immediately, just like Andy Reid. SB winning coaches with over 100 wins and a really good winning % don't last long on the open market, regardless of what happened in their last season. As little as that means to Packer fans, to teams like Tampa, Jacksonville, Houston, etc. getting McCarthy would be a coup. He won't go back to being someone's OC or QB coach. He would probably take Clements and Van Pelt with him wherever he goes.
The rest would find work pretty easily.
yes, backfiring is possible, but I've had enough milquetoast from my GBP.
Too bad they did not use the fire a coach one year too early rather than one year too late philosophy.
What happens this off season will be interesting. What happens the rest of the year will be even more interesting at least from the standpoint of do the coaches or MM have any ability to figure anything out and put the team (regardless of excuses) in a position to win. At this point, the answer would be no. That is the biggest problem.
Grave Digger posted:McCarthy would get picked up immediately, just like Andy Reid. SB winning coaches with over 100 wins and a really good winning % don't last long on the open market, regardless of what happened in their last season. As little as that means to Packer fans, to teams like Tampa, Jacksonville, Houston, etc. getting McCarthy would be a coup. He won't go back to being someone's OC or QB coach. He would probably take Clements and Van Pelt with him wherever he goes.
The rest would find work pretty easily.
Exactly! Coaches with that sort of resume if they still want to coach will not be on the market very long and could pick their own situation. I have always been a huge fan of MM (and I will admit that I still am) and coaches like him do NOT forget all of the sudden how to coach. I know it is tough right now for all of us fans but lets not forget that a firesale on the coaching staff is always the answer. Putting them on notice? THAT I agree with.
I have also supported MM every step of the way. I've never believed in the "Super Bowl" or bust mentality or that there was some postseason hump he couldn't get over.
But what we've seen the past two weeks is a guy that's clearly lost the locker room, and that can't happen. And while I think he's still perfectly capable of running an effective offense, his stubbornness to do it his way in spite of the team's repeated failings the past two years has been the issue.
Think about this.....in the last 2 weeks, one home and one away, the Packers have never lead.
Last three games Packers have given up 111 points, most since '58. IOW, defense did something all the bad teams during the dark 70s and 80s didn't.
We clearly are not getting better, & of course as the saying goes, if you aren't getting better, you're getting worse. Did not see the game yesterday but from what I see on highlights & gather from other accounts: 1) The offense once again came out determined to use 11 personnel, rather than 4-5 WR sets that have been so successful, & were not effective again. 2) I just don't get playing R. Rodgers 65 snaps & Monty only 22 3) The defense looked very confused in coverage. Our pass defense looked the best when we just played tight press coverage with 2 deep safeties. Once again, was the defense scheme too complex for the players to comprehend?
I of course don't know if the defensive scheme is too hard for the players to comprehend. But it sure looks like it is either too complex and it limits their ability to just go play without having to think too much. Or it is just the fact that the NFL is figuring out Capers defense I tend to think it is somewhere in the middle.
If you want to point to what opponents have figured out, it's the fact that GB goes on their heels pretty easily. Indy and TN were aggressive from moment one GB couldn't match. Teams go for broke against GB and it either works out big or they get pummeled. MIN and ATL are the only teams to play chess with GB and those games ended up being close.
MM needs to figure out how to infuse some attitude in the team down the stretch. MM likes the calm/professional atmosphere with the attitude is "do your job and you will get paid", but it's a pretty emotionless culture. Sometimes it needs to be less professional and more college. Be the aggressor even if you fuk up and even then don't stop being aggressive.
They were aggressive in the 3rd quarter and it worked. Too bad Davis ****ed up the fair catch.
I think most fans tend to over rate their own players. I would say the Packers roster has maybe 5 guys who are better than 50/50- Who would start for more than 50% of the other teams.
The better your coaching and QB, the less talented your team becomes. The draft/FA systems is set up to get the talent distributed as evenly as possible.
Grave Digger posted:If you want to point to what opponents have figured out, it's the fact that GB goes on their heels pretty easily. Indy and TN were aggressive from moment one GB couldn't match. Teams go for broke against GB and it either works out big or they get pummeled. MIN and ATL are the only teams to play chess with GB and those games ended up being close.
MM needs to figure out how to infuse some attitude in the team down the stretch. MM likes the calm/professional atmosphere with the attitude is "do your job and you will get paid", but it's a pretty emotionless culture. Sometimes it needs to be less professional and more college. Be the aggressor even if you fuk up and even then don't stop being aggressive.
Yes sir we definately agree with that. That is the one thing right now that probably we all can agree on is that there is no life on that team none. I think there is a time and place for calm, cool, and steady. But there is also a time to come together and get them playing with freaking attitude and take it to the other team. That is what a great leader does.
None of this MM stays and everyone else goes crap. This team needs a clean slate. I'm getting to old to put up with this anymore! Let Cleveland have them. Maybe both teams will benefit!
Trade MM to Cleveland for Joe Thomas, straight up.
Trade Dom to Fair Wheel Bikes for 6 feet of titanium cable then have Doc McKenzie fasten them to Clay's hammy's.
Trade Winston Moss to Krolls for a couple burgers.
Just solved a LOT of problems right there and got lunch.
GM'ing is actually pretty easy.
ChilliJon posted:Trade MM to Cleveland for Joe Thomas, straight up.
Trade Dom to Fair Wheel Bikes for 6 feet of titanium cable then have Doc McKenzie fasten them to Clay's hammy's.
Trade Winston Moss to Krolls for a couple burgers.
Just solved a LOT of problems right there and got lunch.
GM'ing is actually pretty easy.
You left out one. Although he played decent yesterday Trade Donnie Barclay to Coney Island for one of their turnstiles. I believe the Coney models have a solid anchor and aren't moved easily.
Packiderm posted:ChilliJon posted:Trade MM to Cleveland for Joe Thomas, straight up.
Trade Dom to Fair Wheel Bikes for 6 feet of titanium cable then have Doc McKenzie fasten them to Clay's hammy's.
Trade Winston Moss to Krolls for a couple burgers.
Just solved a LOT of problems right there and got lunch.
GM'ing is actually pretty easy.
You left out one. Although he played decent yesterday Trade Donnie Barclay to Coney Island for one of their turnstiles. I believe the Coney models have a solid anchor and aren't moved easily.
Packiderm posted:ChilliJon posted:Trade MM to Cleveland for Joe Thomas, straight up.
Trade Dom to Fair Wheel Bikes for 6 feet of titanium cable then have Doc McKenzie fasten them to Clay's hammy's.
Trade Winston Moss to Krolls for a couple burgers.
Just solved a LOT of problems right there and got lunch.
GM'ing is actually pretty easy.
You left out one. Although he played decent yesterday Trade Donnie Barclay to Coney Island for one of their turnstiles. I believe the Coney models have a solid anchor and aren't moved easily.
Barclay is as much on TT as it is on MM. If they were losing because of their guard play, then this would be getting a lot more attention (jettisoning Sitton a year early to save the money but losing depth this year and giving away a draft pick).
They are losing games so soundly that the guard play probably isn't even an issue.
From Capers today:
"Obviously a lot to learn from the game...I do believe the first play impacted the next few series"
He's not wrong. Titans found out they could score pretty easily.
ChilliJon posted:From Capers today:
"Obviously a lot to learn from the game...I do believe the first play impacted the next few series"
He's not wrong. Titans found out they could score pretty easily.
Or that Julius Peppers appears to be coasting through a final payday season making sure he doesn't get an injury he has to rehab after he retires. Remind me why we jettisoned Sitton for 6.8 million but kept Peppers for 10.5 million? We actually had plenty of depth at OLB, but almost none at OG.
Pikes Peak posted:Who hasn't?
Probably the Packers offense in scrimmages.
michiganjoe posted:Last three games Packers have given up 111 points, most since '58. IOW, defense did something all the bad teams during the dark 70s and 80s didn't.
This is what bugs me the most.
When Capers is bad, it is of epic or historical proportions.
MichiganPacker posted:ChilliJon posted:From Capers today:
"Obviously a lot to learn from the game...I do believe the first play impacted the next few series"
He's not wrong. Titans found out they could score pretty easily.
Or that Julius Peppers appears to be coasting through a final payday season making sure he doesn't get an injury he has to rehab after he retires. Remind me why we jettisoned Sitton for 6.8 million but kept Peppers for 10.5 million? We actually had plenty of depth at OLB, but almost none at OG.
If Sitton is in GB and Peppers isn't GB is still 4-5. Only difference is there's a little more scratch in the vault.
We can bloviate over Peppers for 7 more games. Whatever. Anyone else happen to catch Rollins pull up around the 20 when he had a realistic shot of running Murray down on the opening TD?
Thats a problem worth actual concern.
When I saw Rollins pull up, my first thought was WTF ? Was he protecting his groin injury ? If not , he' s a pussy. Guy was awful beyond that play, getting benched after totally misplaying the WR where he had no safety help - TD TITANS.
Does he suck, or is Joe Witt over-rated ? Cause that(biting on double move with no safety help) was atrocious technique and we've seen it from Randall, Gunter, and Rollins this season.
ALL of our DBs have had the same problem this year--getting caught looking in the backfield.
Saw it from Shields before he got hurt.
Saw it from Burnett yesterday. And many times in the first 8 games. I think HHCD has been caught doing it at least 2-3 times.
And it ruined Rollins and Randall's seasons. They can't quit doing it.
(jettisoning Sitton a year early to save the money but losing depth this year and giving away a draft pick).
So we could watch an injured Sitton on the sidelines.
Fedya posted:(jettisoning Sitton a year early to save the money but losing depth this year and giving away a draft pick).
So we could watch an injured Sitton on the sidelines.
I'm not saying that jettisoning Sitton was bad (as I said guard play isn't even on the top 5 list of why they are losing), just that they could have gotten rid of both and saved even more.
RochNyFan posted:Some people at Notre Dame think Clements is their answer, I don't see it. I think he and Edgar Bennett are examples of the Peter Principle. Ron Zook....maybe a high school team picks him up.
No idea who those people would be as unpopular as Brian Kelly is. Clements applied for the job in 2006 (whenever Weis was hired) and was rejected. You have to recruit in college and he has all the personality of a cabbage.
I'm sure MM and a some of his staff would get other gigs. But coaches can stay in a job too long. That's true for any team sport. GM's too.
A lot of people have commented that MM would be out work for all of 5 minutes if GB cut him loose.
I'm not so sure about that.
He's currently on a 9-12 slide with the best QB in football that looks lost. Mike put his stamp on taking back control of an offense that has been described as antiquated and rudimentary by more than a few respected football analysts. His defense has given up 35 per the last three weeks. He's losing home games when his team is favored by 8 to bad teams. I think the loss in Tennessee really put Mike under the heat lamp. It's never great for future career opportunities when everyone covering the NFL wants to know just what in the **** is wrong with the Green Bay Packers and a lot of it quietly points to the head coach
I think his presser today was part Mike reading (reminding everyone) his resume because he knows he's up against it in a big way. I think he fully realizes he needs to get things fixed fast or risk additional damage to the MM brand. I don't think he's the slam dunk for a head coaching gig the way some think he is. If this slide continues I think he might actually have a tough time finding a head coaching gig.
People said this drop-off is reminiscent of the end of the Andy Reid era in Philly. He was on the street for 5 min before Dorsey snapped him up. Dorsey didn't snap up some old retread, he recognized that hes a good coach who might be reinvigorated by a change of scenery. He was right. Winning coaches don't stay unemployed long.
Man, if loses his job, shahid would be all over him. The steelers' situation would get interesting too.