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Koenig looks tremendous. Plays with a flair that when paired up with Dekker, could be amazing. Not surprised that UNC and Duke were looking at this kid. Already has a giant killer, which will come in handy. More athletic than I thought.
Brown looks like he could be really good too. Looks like and excellent class.
Brown looks like he could be really good too. Looks like and excellent class.
To me, Nigel Hayes is the star of this group. He's proven himself against higher level competition and has been a consistent performer.
I get a little concerned about some of these guys that play in lower HS level programs because of who they are playing against but on paper this looks like one of the better classes that Bo has had.
I get a little concerned about some of these guys that play in lower HS level programs because of who they are playing against but on paper this looks like one of the better classes that Bo has had.
Koenig looks like he has a chance to be good... for Wisconsin standards. 
I don't know what that means
Koenig, IIRC, received several offers from major programs, including Duke and North Carolina.
Choosing UW over those two schools to play basketball tells me he isn't very bright.
When Duke, UNC, KU, UK and U of A come knocking on your door, you answer it.
JMO
Choosing UW over those two schools to play basketball tells me he isn't very bright.
When Duke, UNC, KU, UK and U of A come knocking on your door, you answer it.
JMO
So playing of Bo Ryan sucks
Gotcha
Gotcha
Compared to taking an offer from UNC or Duke? You cannot be serious...
Well, it is possible a Wisconsin kid grew up a fan of the Badgers, I could see hat. It is possible he saw an opportunity to start earlier/pay more at Wisconsin. He may have wanted to stay near home and recognized Minnisota has a crap program. He might have weighed that those coaches were not as good of a match with him. He might have watched the Badgers beat duke. He may have seen a near certain opportunity to make the NCAA tournament in an extremely strong program that does an excellent job showcasing point guards.
Maybe a surface knowledge of hockey is where it stops for you.
Maybe a surface knowledge of hockey is where it stops for you.
Don't take it so personal Bucky. UW has a respectable basketball program. The other schools I mentioned are college basketball royalty. It's not even debatable.
I'm sure he had his reasons to go to UW... I think he's a dip**** for doing it. Granted, he never called me to ask for my opinion on the matter.
That crap program in "Minnisota" is doing quite well this year, no? How's Bucky doing? I haven't been paying attention... Hockey's been getting in the way.
I'm sure he had his reasons to go to UW... I think he's a dip**** for doing it. Granted, he never called me to ask for my opinion on the matter.
That crap program in "Minnisota" is doing quite well this year, no? How's Bucky doing? I haven't been paying attention... Hockey's been getting in the way.
Same doesn't apply for the football program?
Thats a pretty lazy argument to make.
Duke and UNC weren't always "royalty." And it's not necessarily a poor reflection on an individual's intelligence to want to be a part of the rise instead of going to "royalty." Koenig is already on record saying he wants to win a Championahip and wants to do it in WI.
Perhaps he's a fool. But perhaps not. If he accomplishes the goal of a Championship for Bo Ryan, I guess the fool is the one who believes the only path to greatness is the one everyone already had taken...
Duke and UNC weren't always "royalty." And it's not necessarily a poor reflection on an individual's intelligence to want to be a part of the rise instead of going to "royalty." Koenig is already on record saying he wants to win a Championahip and wants to do it in WI.
Perhaps he's a fool. But perhaps not. If he accomplishes the goal of a Championship for Bo Ryan, I guess the fool is the one who believes the only path to greatness is the one everyone already had taken...
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
When Duke, UNC, KU, UK and U of A come knocking on your door, you answer it.
JMO
I think that is very true for the most part. But, maybe he saw that he had a better chance of playing at UW instead of the other programs?
Heckler is prolly right. Playing time can be a huge motivator.
I don't know what you would call college basketball "royalty" but when you think of tradition it's hard to top schools like Kansas and Indiana and Louisville and Kentucky and UNC and Duke. I guess you could also include a school like UCLA in that group but they haven't been as good recently. UConn, Syracuse, and Arizona might make the next list depending on your perspective.
On paper, Wisconsin has been pretty good in their own right, and IMO there's no shame in losing a player to one of those schools. By the same token, this isn't like 1990 when the program was getting excited about making the NIT tournament. Wisconsin has been a consistent top 25 program and they've made the Dance just about every year. Now, some players may want more flash and visibility at another school, but I don't know that you can criticize UW for other reasons. They've been pretty good.
On paper, Wisconsin has been pretty good in their own right, and IMO there's no shame in losing a player to one of those schools. By the same token, this isn't like 1990 when the program was getting excited about making the NIT tournament. Wisconsin has been a consistent top 25 program and they've made the Dance just about every year. Now, some players may want more flash and visibility at another school, but I don't know that you can criticize UW for other reasons. They've been pretty good.
quote:Originally posted by The Heckler:quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
When Duke, UNC, KU, UK and U of A come knocking on your door, you answer it.
JMO
I think that is very true for the most part. But, maybe he saw that he had a better chance of playing at UW instead of the other programs?
U of A... lmfao. Sorry, but last I checked Wisconsin has a string of tourney appearances going on 2 decades almost now. U of A is not in the class of Kentucky, Duke, UNC... stop dreaming, neither is Wisconsin, but recruits choose over those schools all of the time. Im sure he has his reasons.
I'm surprised I didn't get called out on UA earlier. Kudos. I tossed UA in there out of fun. They had a few down years when Lute Olson quit due to health reasons but are back on the map with Sean Miller. IMO, they're the best program on the west coast and are headed in the right direction.
But you're right, they aren't on the level of Duke and UNC either.
There's ocean front property in Arizona. George told me so.
UA with the lucky win against #5 Florida this evening. I'll take it though... Crazy finish to that game. At the end of the season when the freshman start to figure out how to play at this level, they're going to be a tough out in the dance.
You guys are assuming that kids choose schools only for the program. Just within the program there are a lot of factors. How soon will I get to play, how many minutes will I get, what is my career goal? Sports or other.
Then take into account schools and their location/Campus's. Compared to Madison many good size schools are like oversized high schools. My son visited Georgia and hated the feel of the town and all the "Ugly" old red brick buildings. His words. He really disliked Florida State's campus. Finally we have decided on Florida, nice campus and good sports program. Then this past summer we spent 3 days in Madison visiting UW and he could not get over the "Great School, Cool Place" feeling he had when he was there. Again the quotes are his words.
My point is 15,16,17 year old kids see things for much more than just Duke or North Carolina. There choices are much more complicated than just wanting to play for the Basketball or Football "God's".
Then take into account schools and their location/Campus's. Compared to Madison many good size schools are like oversized high schools. My son visited Georgia and hated the feel of the town and all the "Ugly" old red brick buildings. His words. He really disliked Florida State's campus. Finally we have decided on Florida, nice campus and good sports program. Then this past summer we spent 3 days in Madison visiting UW and he could not get over the "Great School, Cool Place" feeling he had when he was there. Again the quotes are his words.
My point is 15,16,17 year old kids see things for much more than just Duke or North Carolina. There choices are much more complicated than just wanting to play for the Basketball or Football "God's".
2014
4 and 5 star guys, a couple from WI, couple from Chicago. If any of these guys commit, it would be a major coup for this program. With next year's class of Koenig (who is having a good season by reports), Brown, Dearring, Hayes, and Hill, this could be a nice little run for Ryan's program.
Get a couple of these 2014 offers to commit (especially one of those big men), they'll have some serious muscle to go with a pretty good group of Gs and swing men.
quote:C 1 Jahlil Okafor
(Whitney Young Magnet HS)Chicago, IL
6-9/255 Med Yes Arizona, Arkansas, DePaul, Duke, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisville, Michigan State, North Carolina, Ohio State, Wisconsin
PF 2 Kevon Looney
(Hamilton HS) Milwaukee, WI
6-8/195 Med Yes Georgetown, Kansas, Louisville, Marquette, Michigan, Michigan State, Tennessee, Texas, Villanova, Wisconsin
C 2 Cliff Alexander
(Curie Metropolitan HS) Chicago, IL
6-9/230 Med Yes Kentucky, Michigan State, DePaul, Florida State, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisville, Memphis, Michigan, Ohio State, Purdue, Tennessee, Wisconsin
PF 10 Paul White
(Whitney Young Magnet HS) Chicago, IL
6-8/210 Med Yes Arizona, DePaul, Florida, Illinois, Marquette, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Kentucky, Purdue
4 and 5 star guys, a couple from WI, couple from Chicago. If any of these guys commit, it would be a major coup for this program. With next year's class of Koenig (who is having a good season by reports), Brown, Dearring, Hayes, and Hill, this could be a nice little run for Ryan's program.
Get a couple of these 2014 offers to commit (especially one of those big men), they'll have some serious muscle to go with a pretty good group of Gs and swing men.
Looks like Brown and Hayes are going to be tremendous, as both are having big years. Instant contributors. And I like that both guys defend the rim like they so- makes for a very tough team to score on.
Didn't know where else to put this, but damn... I knew Aaron Gordon was a top flight talent and I was hoping like hell he'd choose Arizona to play basketball. He committed and then lit the McDonald's game up. Can't wait to see this kid in a UA jersey.
if you dont know where to put it, i will give you a suggestion...put it on an Arizona forum. This from someone whose brother is a Arizona grad.