Wednesday reckoning. Unless he's a first or second stringer; suspend him.
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Very odd fine on the guy who hit Cutler. The call on the field was that Cutler was past the line of scrimmage, thus could not legally throw the ball (which was upheld after review). Therefore, once can imply that Cutler was in fact a runner at that point, making it ok to hit him in the helmet (just like you can hit RB's in the helmet head first). Yet the NFL fines the defender for this play. It just doesn't make any sense.
quote:Originally posted by CUPackFan:
making it ok to hit him in the helmet (just like you can hit RB's in the helmet head first).
Huh? Since when is it legal to go helmet-to-helmet?
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:Originally posted by CUPackFan:
making it ok to hit him in the helmet (just like you can hit RB's in the helmet head first).
Huh? Since when is it legal to go helmet-to-helmet?
Have you ever seen a runningback get tackled by a linebacker? Yeah, lot of helmet to helmet contact there.
Contact, yes... head first, no.
I don't believe they even called a helmet to helmet. The referee said hitting the QB above the shoulders or something like that.
Right. It was a BS call because it wasn't helmet to helmet, they did not call that, and the QB was past the LOS so the shot the defender gave Cutler to the shoulders/chest was legal from what it looked like.
Helmet to helmet is legal on a ball carrier.quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:Originally posted by CUPackFan:
making it ok to hit him in the helmet (just like you can hit RB's in the helmet head first).
Huh? Since when is it legal to go helmet-to-helmet?
I'm all for cutting down on injuries in the NFL. But the coddling of quarterbacks is ridiculous. It's getting to where you can't fart in the general direction of a quarterback without being penalized or fined, and it's watered down the game.
I understand that quarterbacks are, for the most part, the marquee players of the league, and the NFL's bottom line does better when these players are on the field. But if a quarterback pulls the ball down, and starts running, they should be afforded the same protections a running back would receive once they're out of the pocket. No more, no less. A defensive player's job, something they've been working on perfecting since Pop Warner, is to stop whoever has the ball. Now they get to the NFL, and suddenly they're told they can't tackle the quarterback. And that's absurd.
I'm still fuming about the roughing the passer call we had against Russell Wilson. One second, Wilson is running out of the pocket looking like he might run, and Erik Walden dives at his feet in order to tackle him. After the ball leaves Wilson's hand, Walden hits his feet. No helmet to helmet, no flagrant foul. There was nothing remarkable about what Walden did, except it pressured Wilson into an interception. The Seahawks were at their own 20 yard line, down 5, with about 8 minutes left in the game. And we should have had the ball. We'd have been just outside the redzone, up by 5, with under 8 minutes to go. But that all changed when some replacement ref deemed that what Walden did broke the rules. And the rest is history.
I understand that quarterbacks are, for the most part, the marquee players of the league, and the NFL's bottom line does better when these players are on the field. But if a quarterback pulls the ball down, and starts running, they should be afforded the same protections a running back would receive once they're out of the pocket. No more, no less. A defensive player's job, something they've been working on perfecting since Pop Warner, is to stop whoever has the ball. Now they get to the NFL, and suddenly they're told they can't tackle the quarterback. And that's absurd.
I'm still fuming about the roughing the passer call we had against Russell Wilson. One second, Wilson is running out of the pocket looking like he might run, and Erik Walden dives at his feet in order to tackle him. After the ball leaves Wilson's hand, Walden hits his feet. No helmet to helmet, no flagrant foul. There was nothing remarkable about what Walden did, except it pressured Wilson into an interception. The Seahawks were at their own 20 yard line, down 5, with about 8 minutes left in the game. And we should have had the ball. We'd have been just outside the redzone, up by 5, with under 8 minutes to go. But that all changed when some replacement ref deemed that what Walden did broke the rules. And the rest is history.
Thanks for the clarification GL.
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
Helmet to helmet is legal on a ball carrier.
So what was the penalty Moses got for his hit on SJax in St. Louis?
Even Bares homer Hub Arkush says it was a legal hit.
Cutler out against 49ers. Campbell to start. No word yet on whether Alex Smith will play or not.
quote:Originally posted by IL_Pack_Fan:quote:Originally posted by Goalline:
Helmet to helmet is legal on a ball carrier.
So what was the penalty Moses got for his hit on SJax in St. Louis?
That wasn't even helmet to helmet, was it?
no. unnecessary roughness, defenseless receiver. same as the one on House. and neither were fined.
