quote:Bonus points for anybody who can tell my why GB gave up so many points in the 4th quarters of 2011 games Cool
Great post, Satori. There is no denying last year's D left plenty to be desired, but talks of them being historically bad are a bit overblown. Pats were in the exact same boat, and came a Welker drop away from a ring.
And I hope Rodgers quote doesn't catch on as a theme this year, or it will totally kill my pickup line of "would you like a little nasty in you?"
And I hope Rodgers quote doesn't catch on as a theme this year, or it will totally kill my pickup line of "would you like a little nasty in you?"
Really good stuff Satori.
Alot of stuff that I did not realize in there. I never put the "Worst Defense Ever" lable on last year's team myself, but my frustration level hit some high peaks.
This brings me a little more optimism that things can turn around quickly in 2012. I dont expect a top 5 defense, but as long as #12 is on his feet, an "average, respectable" unit should be enough to compete for another trophy.
Alot of stuff that I did not realize in there. I never put the "Worst Defense Ever" lable on last year's team myself, but my frustration level hit some high peaks.
This brings me a little more optimism that things can turn around quickly in 2012. I dont expect a top 5 defense, but as long as #12 is on his feet, an "average, respectable" unit should be enough to compete for another trophy.
MM on 12: "He's a gentleman, he has manners, he's got a really good personality, he interacts w/ everybody. That goes a long way w/ people."
No separate locker?
No separate locker?
quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
In 2012, House says he needs to play with an "A-hole mentality."
My brother.
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:quote:Is Nick Perry an upgrade vs Walden/ Zombo/ Jones ? ( YES)
Will Jerel Worthy / A.Hargrove be an upgrade vs 2011 Wynn, Wilson, Neal ? ( YES)
Is Casey Hayward/ D.House an upgrade vs Bush / Lee at # 4 CB ? ( YES !)
Will M.Daniels & D.Muir be an upgrade vs Howard Green ? ( YES)
Will Woodson, MD Jennings/ McMillian/ Levine an upgrade vs Peprah at SS ? ( YES)
Will the LBs be better with a better DL ? ( probably)
Will Burnett be better without a cast and with a more athletic mate at safety ? ( YES)
The jury is out on Perry. He could be the most athletic guy on the defense, but he hasn't played one snap for this team in the regular season.
Yeah. I'm excited at where we're at, but we've hardly heard a peep (or a tweet!) about Perry, and that has me concerned. Usually we hear all the hype and hope of how great guys look in training camp. If they're not talking about Perry, he probably isn't wowing anybody. How is that an improvement? Hope I'm wrong, but that's what concerns me.
And how often do we hear a bunch of hype about a guy that turns out to be nothing?
Quite a bit.
I'm looking forward to seeing what Perry & Worthy can do in pre-season, not to mention the young DB's
We're getting off the field on 3rd down this year. Then you can watch what our offense does to teams.
15-1 again? Probably not but we're going to do our best to win the NFC North again.
Quite a bit.
I'm looking forward to seeing what Perry & Worthy can do in pre-season, not to mention the young DB's
We're getting off the field on 3rd down this year. Then you can watch what our offense does to teams.
15-1 again? Probably not but we're going to do our best to win the NFC North again.
quote:We're getting off the field on 3rd down this year. Then you can watch what our offense does to teams.
Really that's what it's about and it's what I'm expecting as well. If Rodgers and the offense are anything close to what they were in 2011 teams will quickly have to dump the run game and pass, pass, pass.
They did it in 2011 and because of no pass rush and terrible tackling in the secondary, teams were able to keep up with GB.
It will be a different story in 2012. Fully expect it.
@WesHod
Aaron Rodgers on depth in camp: "This is gonna be I think the most difficult cuts that Ted, his staff and Mike have to do becuz we’re deep"
Aaron Rodgers on depth in camp: "This is gonna be I think the most difficult cuts that Ted, his staff and Mike have to do becuz we’re deep"
What's disappointing to me is that Shields is not responding to challenge from the other DBs.
Bush is a gamer and he'll give you everything he has but he's no cornerback. I think the only reason they put him out there in practice as a starter is to push Shields but it's not working.
The good news is that from what I've read this week House and Hayward have stepped up and are making plays. House appears to have come into camp motivated and ready. Hayward just seems to "get it" and there's no question he looks the part. He's no speed demon but he plays with good technique and makes plays on the ball.
At this rate Shields may not make the team.
Bush is a gamer and he'll give you everything he has but he's no cornerback. I think the only reason they put him out there in practice as a starter is to push Shields but it's not working.
The good news is that from what I've read this week House and Hayward have stepped up and are making plays. House appears to have come into camp motivated and ready. Hayward just seems to "get it" and there's no question he looks the part. He's no speed demon but he plays with good technique and makes plays on the ball.
At this rate Shields may not make the team.
that would, at least to me, be scary funny. the STARTING Cornerback on a SB defense doesn't even make the team 18 months later............
I like Shields, I also like Bush for his special teams contributions. If it came down to choosing between them, I would choose Bush.
I like Shields, I also like Bush for his special teams contributions. If it came down to choosing between them, I would choose Bush.
Tough call on Bush vs. Shields. I'm still baffled how Shields can go from a rookie sensation to a marginal football player. Gotta be mental.
We are talking about a product of the "U". All about the swagger down there now. I just remember how UW punked that overrated Miami team even though Shields brought back that punt on the first play of the game.
quote:Originally posted by Chronic Hobbit:
We are talking about a product of the "U". All about the swagger down there now. I just remember how UW punked that overrated Miami team even though Shields brought back that punt on the first play of the game.
While Miami had been somewhat dead for awhile, that game seemed to be almost a death knell to any sort of mystique those teams had. Watching those Miami guys huddle around heaters and anything they could find to keep them warm was pitiful. That was just a crisp fall day for any Wisconsinite, but for those weak minded Miami guys, it was like Orlando had been transported into the Arctic Circle. Pretty funny stuff.
Sorry to douse the drama but there is no way Shields is cut. They see too much potential in him and if nothing else he'll be on ST unless he just completely tanks.
From SI.com Camp Review:
"The Packers play a base 3-4 defense, but they play it probably less than any other team in the league. They use their nickel and dime alignments a greater percentage of the time. The flip side of playing from ahead so much because of a potent offense -- among the halftime leads Green Bay held last year were 28-17 vs. the Saints, 28-17 vs. the Broncos, 24-3 vs. the Rams, 28-17 vs. the Chargers, 17-0 vs. the Vikings, 21-10 vs. the Bucs, 31-0 vs. the Raiders and 14-3 vs. the Bears -- is that the defense faced a lot of offenses that played in the two-minute mode much of the second half.
That can lead to trouble if there's a lack of pass pressure and coverage (there was a lack of both), if the defense can't get off the field on third down (opponents converted 42.6 percent of their opportunities) and you give up too many big plays (teams gained 20 or more yards an alarming 80 times -- nine runs, 71 passes -- against Green Bay."
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We've already seen how TT addressed the defensive shortcomings on the personnel side...
So how will Capers combat these issues from 2011?
Bob McGinn at JSO offers some great insight in this article and includes quotes from Dom
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/163965696.html
"I'll say we gave up too many big plays," defensive coordinator Dom Capers said. "I think we'll have more possibilities in terms of matchups. We played very little dime a year ago because we ran out of people. I hope we can play more dime."
"In 2011, Capers kept sending out his nickel defense, which included sluggish linebackers Desmond Bishop and A.J. Hawk, and paid a heavy price. Green Bay allowed an astronomical 73 passes for 20 yards or more."
"After free safety Nick Collins suffered a career-ending neck injury in Game 2, Capers' nine-man secondary included dead weight in Lee (too slow), safety M.D. Jennings (too green) and House (too raw).
Capers also had to scheme for a second straight season trying to hide the step-slow Peprah from deep wide-out matchups."
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Some interesting comments and clearly Capers was hamstrung with having not enough quality players available to do what he wanted; Play more dime to combat the pass-heavy attacks they faced as opponents tried to keep up with Rodgers
So, GB will take a "slower" LB off the field and replace him with a DB who is better in coverage
Additionally, GB may have more push from the DL based on the new additions there
He has more tools and more options in 2012 and that's a big step in the right direction. Certainly it'll take time to assimilate the new guys, but at least they addressed the issues
Better DEs in base 3-4, better DE's in the nickle and better CBs to play more dime coverage.
Add in potential upgrades at OLB in Perry & Moses and I think we'll see a much better defensive result this season
Go Packers
"The Packers play a base 3-4 defense, but they play it probably less than any other team in the league. They use their nickel and dime alignments a greater percentage of the time. The flip side of playing from ahead so much because of a potent offense -- among the halftime leads Green Bay held last year were 28-17 vs. the Saints, 28-17 vs. the Broncos, 24-3 vs. the Rams, 28-17 vs. the Chargers, 17-0 vs. the Vikings, 21-10 vs. the Bucs, 31-0 vs. the Raiders and 14-3 vs. the Bears -- is that the defense faced a lot of offenses that played in the two-minute mode much of the second half.
That can lead to trouble if there's a lack of pass pressure and coverage (there was a lack of both), if the defense can't get off the field on third down (opponents converted 42.6 percent of their opportunities) and you give up too many big plays (teams gained 20 or more yards an alarming 80 times -- nine runs, 71 passes -- against Green Bay."
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We've already seen how TT addressed the defensive shortcomings on the personnel side...
So how will Capers combat these issues from 2011?
Bob McGinn at JSO offers some great insight in this article and includes quotes from Dom
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/163965696.html
"I'll say we gave up too many big plays," defensive coordinator Dom Capers said. "I think we'll have more possibilities in terms of matchups. We played very little dime a year ago because we ran out of people. I hope we can play more dime."
"In 2011, Capers kept sending out his nickel defense, which included sluggish linebackers Desmond Bishop and A.J. Hawk, and paid a heavy price. Green Bay allowed an astronomical 73 passes for 20 yards or more."
"After free safety Nick Collins suffered a career-ending neck injury in Game 2, Capers' nine-man secondary included dead weight in Lee (too slow), safety M.D. Jennings (too green) and House (too raw).
Capers also had to scheme for a second straight season trying to hide the step-slow Peprah from deep wide-out matchups."
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Some interesting comments and clearly Capers was hamstrung with having not enough quality players available to do what he wanted; Play more dime to combat the pass-heavy attacks they faced as opponents tried to keep up with Rodgers
So, GB will take a "slower" LB off the field and replace him with a DB who is better in coverage
Additionally, GB may have more push from the DL based on the new additions there
He has more tools and more options in 2012 and that's a big step in the right direction. Certainly it'll take time to assimilate the new guys, but at least they addressed the issues
Better DEs in base 3-4, better DE's in the nickle and better CBs to play more dime coverage.
Add in potential upgrades at OLB in Perry & Moses and I think we'll see a much better defensive result this season
Go Packers
1000 days have passed since Aaron Rodgers last threw 3 INT in a game. 253 for Brees. 314 for Brady. 608 for P. Manning, who missed a year.
