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Vic, do you think the Packers hold the best RB/QB duo in the NFL with Rodgers healthy and Lacy heading into his second season? Who do opposing D-coordinators focus on when developing their gameplan?

 

You know, I hadn’t thought of Rodgers and Lacy being the best such duo until you put it that way. The other combos in the discussion would have to be Philadelphia’s Foles-McCoy, Chicago’s Cutler-Forte, Kansas City’s Smith-Charles, Washington’s RGIII-Morris, Seattle’s Wilson-Lynch and San Francisco’s Kaepernick-Gore. Maybe I’m missing one or two others worth mentioning, but I’d take Rodgers-Lacy right now, wouldn’t you? The fun part is the duo is still in its infancy. With the early-season concussion, Lacy didn’t really get going until Week 5, and then Rodgers got hurt in Week 9. In that context, the pair everyone will hope to see in 2014 has had only six games together, and the only loss in those six was the playoff game against the 49ers. Stephen from Cedar Falls wondered if Lacy could have a 2,000-yard season. I don’t see it, primarily because of who his QB is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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With MM's love for DeJuan Harris and his desire to keep as much tread on the tires for Lacy as he can, I sense Harris and Starks will cut into Lacy's numbers assuming everyone stays relatively healthy.

 

I think Lacy is going to be receiving some passes out of the backfield this season. It's an extension of the running game.

 

Going to be a very interesting season for the Packers.

Originally Posted by packerboi:

With MM's love for DeJuan Harris and his desire to keep as much tread on the tires for Lacy as he can, I sense Harris and Starks will cut into Lacy's numbers assuming everyone stays relatively healthy.

 

Hope this is true! IMO MM should've used Starks more last season, Lacy took a beating. I know he's the bell cow, but John Brockington, anyone? Let's not burn the young stud out.

I think Lacy will see his carries go down a little, but not because they give more to Starks/Harris. He will get fewer opportunities because they will Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson, Adams, etc. all healthy and those guys are the foundation of the offense. It's a pass to set up the run offense, meaning Rodgers will win the game with his arm while Lacy and the D are responsible for maintaining the lead and closing out the game. I think they found the sweet spot for Starks in terms of his work load, he's going to get a lot of opportunities at the end of the Q2 so Lacy is a little fresher early in Q3 and he will get a lot of work in the beginning and middle of Q4 so Lacy gets a break before the end of the game. I'm guessing he gets about 6-8 carries per game while Lacy gets about 15 or 16. I don't think Harris being heavily involved is automatic, he's been off for a while and will need to shake off some rust. 

#1 is Rodgers/Lacy and #2, whoever it is, is a distant second.

 

I think a good way to do it is to just go down the list of what are considered the best QB's until the RB rivals Lacy.

 

You have to go pretty far down the QB list.  Down far enough that Rodgers absolutely blows away the QB.

 

Maybe the only exception is Russell Wilson.  His SB performance was excellent.  Not just no mistakes, but he did make some nice timely passes.  I am unsure where Wilson belongs, regardless, he could only dream of making throws that Rodgers can make.

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Assuming he stays healthy, I don't think Lacy will get less carries.  He may say he wants to limit the wear on Lacy, but McCarthy has shown previously that he will always go with the hot hand or the more talented player.

Originally Posted by Grave Digger:

 It's a pass to set up the run offense, meaning Rodgers will win the game with his arm while Lacy and the D are responsible for maintaining the lead and closing out the game. 

Yes and no.  Rodgers was quoted earlier this offseason as saying even with Lacy in the game, D's were still playing the S's to take away the big play - he predicted D's would keep doing that.  So it will be on the O to make them pay with the running game until they bring that S down to support the run D.  So in a way, they will be using Lacy, et. al. maybe not to set up the pass but to set up the big pass.

 

As far as Lacy getting less carries...he could but still have as much yardage or more this season because he will (knock on my head) have AR for 16 games and will cause problems for opposing D's trying to stop the run.

What RBs would need to be lined up in the backfield before opposing DC's would decide that their best bet was to let Rodgers beat them?  Jim Brown and Barry Sanders?  Walter Payton and Adrian Peterson?  

 

You're going to continue to see the safeties protecting against the big throw, as AR said.  That's why, IMHO, even if Lacy's individual carries go down a bit, we're going to see a lot more running plays this year than last year or previous years.  The defense is going to continue to give that to them, and MM and AR are going to be willing to take it.  

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and that's why I'm quite excited for this season!  I want me some smashmouth.  and once that opposing D's lip is bloody it'll be pure pleasure watching AR slice and dice 'em to death.

Originally Posted by DH13:

Yes and no.  Rodgers was quoted earlier this offseason as saying even with Lacy in the game, D's were still playing the S's to take away the big play - he predicted D's would keep doing that.  So it will be on the O to make them pay with the running game until they bring that S down to support the run D.  So in a way, they will be using Lacy, et. al. maybe not to set up the pass but to set up the big pass.

 

As far as Lacy getting less carries...he could but still have as much yardage or more this season because he will (knock on my head) have AR for 16 games and will cause problems for opposing D's trying to stop the run.

Isn't that an example of the pass setting up the run? They pass so well that the D is gameplanning to take away the big play passes which sets up good running opportunities. 

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In a historical sense, sure.  But on a game to game or play to play basis, the D is pre-setting to stop the pass (or big pass) which means the running game will be used to re-soften the D for the pass.

Originally Posted by JJSD:

What RBs would need to be lined up in the backfield before opposing DC's would decide that their best bet was to let Rodgers beat them?  Jim Brown and Barry Sanders?  Walter Payton and Adrian Peterson?  

 

Excellent point and remember that MM has the offense running packaged plays. Which means they call both a run and a pass in the huddle and Rodgers decides either at the LOS before the snap or often just after the snap based on how certain defenders react. Its really a kind of read option where the decision is made while the play is in motion. So much cat & mouse in the final few seconds pre-snap and the first moments post- snap and we have one of the most cerebral guys in the league making those calls

 

These guys are going to light it up this year and with Lacy more competent in the playbook, it opens up even more options

 

It also seems like we're seeing the addition of some H-back type players as opposed to just having traditional TEs. This brings even more flexibility to the packaged plays. Lacy's threat makes Rodgers better and vice versa.

Balance kills

 

 

Originally Posted by JJSD:

What RBs would need to be lined up in the backfield before opposing DC's would decide that their best bet was to let Rodgers beat them?  Jim Brown and Barry Sanders?  Walter Payton and Adrian Peterson?  

 

You're going to continue to see the safeties protecting against the big throw, as AR said.  That's why, IMHO, even if Lacy's individual carries go down a bit, we're going to see a lot more running plays this year than last year or previous years.  The defense is going to continue to give that to them, and MM and AR are going to be willing to take it.  


Ooh crap, that was a hell of an orgasm.

With DC's selling out to limit our big plays in the passing game, our RB's will see a steady diet of 6 and 7 man boxes, which will give us plenty of run opportunities. I think the real key this season is going to be our ability to score TD's in the "Red Zone" We were 3rd in this category in 2011 and 1st in 2012....26th last season (I know AR's injury had alot to do with this). I think we need some increased production from the TE position to help in this area.  

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