Rodgers vs TOG: 1st 7 years

Both men should have more superbowl rings

Stats are for winners

Those stats should include an anxiety scale and number of cardiac arrests each player causes for coaches and fans. 

Yup.  One will.

I hope you're right PP

Those INTs don't matter in the playoffs.  

Ask Petey about that

Sorry, sprinkles are for winners.

It's a travesty that Flo never won a miss X 4.

Sea Hag.

It took one of the greatest defenses and one of the greatest special teams units in NFL history to get Favre his ring.

Arod with 1500 more passing yards in 6 less games. interesting

 

 

I knew the INT ratio would be lopsided but holy hell didnt expect it to be 

more than double.wow

The 1996 Packers had the #1 ranked offense ,defense,and special teams. The offense had neither a 1000 yard receiver or a 1000 yard rusher and scored a league high 456 points.  Favre also was the MVP.

I was surprised at the INT stat for that point in their careers. When I think of TOG's INT's I tend to think of them later in his career. One stat on the INT's I would like to see is how many of Rodgers INT's were tipped or dropped by the receivers. 

Except for a few outlier years, Farb always had a problem with INT's.  I remember a game earlier in his career when he threw a ball out of bounds when everybody was covered and the crowd roared.  I think his INTs are more magnified later in his career because they started coming at more critical times than in the past.  He used to be known as the comeback kid who could rally the team from any deficit.  Then he devolved into a choke machine.

Looking at that INT stat for FFATWHHG further you'll note that in his 1st 7 seasons he won 3 league MVPs (95-97) with INTs of 13, 13, & 16 respectively. Rodgers high for INTs in a season are 13. I see the parallels...

 

 

 

 

"Known as" because of the media, but in reality he was awful in those situations even when young;

http://bleacherreport.com/arti...a-clutch-quarterback

 

Rodgers missed 7 games in 2013.  He could easily have a better W-L then FF.  The TD-INT ratio says the rest.

 

good article FLP. I also think Bert got alot of mileage froma few early games:

 

-his first start (the thriling comeback win over Bungles - great throw BTW)

-the first Playoff road game win vs DET (blown coverage)

-The last game At County stadium vs teh Falcons ( gutty goal line dive)

 

those early impressions made him known as a comeback QB but looking back over his career they were early and atypical Bertformances

Meh.  Not impressed by that article.  Before you believe what you read, consider the source.  Scott Kacsmar is a biased tool.  He takes every opportunity to bash Rodgers too.  He's the one that initially developed the narrative that Rodgers is a "first-half frontrunner."  Run a search with his name and Rodgers.  You'll find such gems as, "Rodgers: Mr. Irrelevant in the 4th Quarter."   

 

Kacsmar starts with the conclusion he wants to reach, and then selectively searches for evidence to support it.  In addition to his frequent jabs at Rodgers and Favre, his main narrative is "Peyton Manning is the GOAT; Brady sucks." 

 

His material isn't worth the paper it is printed on. 

 

BTW, I suspect that Kacsmar and Bayless are lovers.  Nothing against it.  Just makes sense. 

thx for checking that all out Lobo

Kacsmar = niedermeyer

 

 

 

       
       

I'm no Favre fan, but come on- this is just stupid. Let's not diminish what he did- he was great. It's ok to say he was the league MVP, was the league's best QB for a time, and ushered in a new era in Packer football.

And 12 has taken it to a new level. If 12 had that era of defense the Packers absolutely win more than that one ring, IMO.

I know the source of the article is shaky but, we had a guy on the old ZBUDS forum who looked at Favre's QB rating in 4th quarter of close games (up or down one score) and found it to be significantly lower than his rating through 3 quarters. He came to the same conclusion years before this article was written, Favre was not good "in the clutch" 

Ahem.

 

That's incredible...

I'm pretty sure they can add a few more categories too.  QBR?

 

 

More evidence that Rodgers is better than Favre.

 

 

 

Good point Hungry,

 

Besides that, how many Reggies have there been, or Gravediggers... especially on the same line.

 

I've always felt that the 1996 and 7 seasons were TEAM seasons.  Yes, Bert is included on that team.  But his later Diva years (and repeated failures), to me, devastated what he could have been to the franchise and his legacy.  It was so nice to watch him do to the queens what he had been doing to us for a decade.  I cried I was laughing so hard.

 

He should have taken a cue from Barry Sanders.

 

Either way, let's just get this ****ing **** over with and put it all behind us so the next CLASS can get to winning another superb owl or 2 and stand along with the classy greats whom of which Brent will NEVER belong.

 

FF traitor!!

 

 

Who the hell diminished anything? The '96 defense and special teams were among the best ever. That's a fact.

To me 7 seasons doesn't even tell the whole story as Rodgers' story is still being written.  With Favre, when he hit age 30, there was definitely a decline, both physically and mentally as well.  He took an absolute beating in 1999 and that combined with no Holmgren to reign him in, he really started his decline at that point.   He went from Hall of Fame level in '94-'98 to "Hall of Very Good sometimes" level of play post 1998.

 

Rodgers is a little older now than Favre was then.  When he is healthy, if anything his level of play may be as high or higher than at any point in his career other than maybe 2011 which was otherworldly.   One thing that could impact Rodgers future is if the injuries continue to mount.  He had the collarbone in 2013, then he had the pulled hamstring and leg injuries last year.

 

Rodgers despite all the injury issues he's had the past 2 seasons, really hasn't declined, if anything he's at his peak with an MVP year after age 30 which was something Favre wasn't able to do at an advanced age.  Favre post age 30 certainly had some very good years, but I think Rodgers is poised to be a couple of levels above what Favre had been post age 30. 

 

Rodgers has one serious advantage over Favre post age 30 in that he has a stable front office in front of him whereas the organization was in some turmoil from 1999-2006 as they went through 3 head coaches and 3 GMs during that span.   Replacing Holmgren and Wolf was not an easy transition, and basically took 7 or 8 years to completely resolve.

 

I think some of Favre's frustrations did have something to do with the lack of continuity in the organization for that 7-8 year span.  That said, what he really underestimated was just how good that McCarthy/Thompson combo really was.  It is unfortunate he chose to fight them instead of work with them and trust them.  If he had, I think things would have ended much better for him.

 

 

 

 

Excellent post...

We are fortunate to have had them both!   

 

 

 

Sherman did him no favors allowing him to essentially skip all OTA's and much of TC (remember that's when the sudden ankle sprain/soreness would appear?) and never rode his ass on his physical condition either during those years either. It wasn't until I want to say around 2005 that he hired a personal trainer and had gotten into much better shape.

 

With Rodgers, that doesn't appear to be an issue. It appears he works out and stays in terrific physical condition.

 

 

 

 

Ideally for the Packers and especially Favre, Holmgren should have stayed as long as possible with the team. He could have had both HC and GM duties like he wanted after Wolf retired in 2000. Rhodes was a waste of time, and though I felt Sherman was a decent coach, just didn't seem to get the respect that Holmgren had. In the best of scenarios Holmgren should have been replaced with McCarthy in 2006.

Sherman was in a tough spot. Favre was god in GB, Sherman had no reputation. How much support would he have gotten if he had played the "hard ass" role with Favre? Even MM with his strong personality had to accept a lot of Favre's BS.

 

I think the issue with the scenario above (Holmgren replacing Wolf) is that Wolf didn't believe one man should do both jobs, as I recall, so it's unlikely he would've recommended that to Harlan. I don't understand why Holmgren thought he needed to do both. Few can.

MIN/NO NFCC game on NFLN noon today.

Villain gets foiled in the end. City left for dead wins out. That game should be a regular on the Disney Channel.