McCarthy: Eddie Lacy will be on IR for the season & so will Sam Shields. Will activate CB Makinton Dorleant today from IR.
— Green Bay Packers (@packers) November 23, 2016
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Watching the presser right now. MM was asked if Shields would ever play again. Said he didn't know & the most important thing was for him to get healthy with his family, which he is presently doing.
The Dorleant era starts now......another Hurricane Hazel?
Shields doesn't surprise me, Lacy does a little bit.
Perhaps there is a chance Ted re-signs Lacy now, since the price should be really cheap. Not sure it is worth it, but there is a chance.
I was thinking the same thing, EKB. See how Lacy progresses the next month in rehab and try to sign him for a 2 year deal cheap. I'm not sure who his agent is, however.
If they do re-sign Lacy is there anyone on the PACKER staff that can enforce Lacy to maintain a playing weight ? Didn't appear they did this season.
Fine with me if Lacy signs a cheap incentive laden deal but the Packers cannot go into 2017 thinking he's the franchise back. He's just not able to do 16 plus games with China food on board.
Dang. I was hoping Lacy might be back. Even overweight he's a difference-maker for the O. Of course, it might be too late anyway. If Shields is still "getting healthy", then he should just retire. It isn't worth it.
Michael and Lacy, sign them both.
Mcpacker64 posted:If they do re-sign Lacy is there anyone on the PACKER staff that can enforce Lacy to maintain a playing weight ? Didn't appear they did this season.
Unfortunately I think the answer is to have someone with him 24/7 to body shame him.
Eddie Lacy's Market Value: 5 years, $29,294,940, $5,858,988 avg base salary
That sounds a little high for a player who is still struggling with weight. That would put him 5th among NFL RBs in base salary (in front of Lamar Miller, behind Shady McCoy). If he dropped down to 235-240 and showed he was more professional I could buy that, but in his current form I would say no. I'm sure that extra 20 lbs he's carrying is contributing to his ankle issues.
Nobody will pay Lacy that kind of money coming off ankle surgery. That and the weight problem will probably keep him from getting a long-term offer from any team.
I think getting his ankle rolled and then carrying the ball 17 times a week later had more to do with the serious injury than his weight.
MM said in his presser that he felt Lacy was having his best season. Doubt Shields plays another down and I'd be in favor of giving Eddie a contract heavily laden with incentives.
Lacy was averaging over 5 yards per carry. He can look like McCarthy as long as he puts up numbers like that.
I agree. I am all for re-signing Lacy, maybe not at those contract numbers, but he's done nothing but produce since coming to GB.
I trust Ted and Mike to make the right decision...personally, if Eddie can be had for a reasonsable amount, a backfield of Eddie, Crockett and a combo of Monty and Cobb would be okay in my book. It's a gamble but with quite a few holes to fill money and draft choices need to be invested wisely. Ted and Mike see him daily and will be able to judge his health and commitment.
heyward posted:Nobody will pay Lacy that kind of money coming off ankle surgery. That and the weight problem will probably keep him from getting a long-term offer from any team.
I think getting his ankle rolled and then carrying the ball 17 times a week later had more to do with the serious injury than his weight.
He re-injured his ankle hurdling a tackler the week he came back. 260 pounds coming down on a weakened ankle could have contributed to the severity of his injury
If they bring back Lacy, I'd prefer a Lacy / Michael duo instead of Lacy with Crockett, or Starks, or some 3rd-UDFA option
The play he injured the ankle on, the one that ended his season, happened trying to truck a Dallas LB, rolling over him and getting his ankle pinned at a bad angle. That injury happens if he's 220.
The play you're talking about was his second carry of the game. 25 yards. Hurdled a safety. He carried it 14 more times against Dallas after that play before his season ended.
I'll take Lacy / Michaels / Crockett / Rip in a big hurry.
Why does it seem like running the white flag up the pole?
Because we're a long shot to make the playoffs, and if we did we'd be one and done.
I'll take it if we can get it, but there's not enough wounded returning.
ChilliJon posted:The play he injured the ankle on, the one that ended his season, happened trying to truck a Dallas LB, rolling over him and getting his ankle pinned at a bad angle. That injury happens if he's 220.
The play you're talking about was his second carry of the game. 25 yards. Hurdled a safety. He carried it 14 more times against Dallas after that play before his season ended.
If memory serves me correctly, Lacy went off limping after the hurdle, came back to finish the game, but only rushed for 40 yards in those 14 carries.
heyward posted:Nobody will pay Lacy that kind of money coming off ankle surgery. That and the weight problem will probably keep him from getting a long-term offer from any team.
I think getting his ankle rolled and then carrying the ball 17 times a week later had more to do with the serious injury than his weight.
All that. And he's a RB. Where 4 years is the equivalent of 10 dog years in the NFL. And there's his style which doesn't equate to longevity. And there's that toe issue which caused him to drop to the 2nd round in the first place and had some teams physicians suggesting his shelf life was about 5 years anyway.
Not taking the pounding this year could setup a productive year in in 2017 (See. I can be positive). But a multi-year deal without a lot of incentives is iffy.
Didn't finish the game. Went off after his ankle got jacked up. That was that. He started the game with a bad wheel. Gave everything he had. Not lost on the OL either
Im down with signing that.
FYI....Shields isn't out for a concussion.
Hell Jordan Reed had his eleventy billionth concussion & he is back already.
SOMETHING else is going on. He ain't hurt
bvan posted:Because we're a long shot to make the playoffs, and if we did we'd be one and done.
I'll take it if we can get it, but there's not enough wounded returning.
From February till September, we dream about the upcoming season...too soon to bury it. Its just getting to the exciting part
"The time is now, the place is here. Stay in the present. You can do nothing to change the past, and the future will never come exactly as you plan or hope for.”
"The seasons do not push one another; neither do clouds race the wind across the sky. All things happen in their own good time.”
“I am sore wounded, but not slain
I will lay me down and bleed a while
And then rise up to fight again”
The story of the 2016 Green Bay Packers is not yet fully written; enjoy the rest of the season.
Go Packers
Boris posted:FYI....Shields isn't out for a concussion.
Hell Jordan Reed had his eleventy billionth concussion & he is back already.
SOMETHING else is going on. He ain't hurt
Bummer about Shields but something mo st of us saw way back in week 1. Really hope he makes a full recovery and considers life off the field when/if he decides to come back to football.
And Lacy was actually having a solid year before he got hurt. Weight will always be an issue for him but I'll take 5.1 ypc any day. I'd bring Lacy back with an incentive laden deal) and draft a faster RB to pair him with (or draft Fournette or Cook).
I was traveling over the weekend. Watched the Washington game today. All of it.
With 2:30 left in the 4th and the score 35-24 on the Packers 6 Kyler Fackrell came tearing onto the field seconds before the snap. Lined up outside. Ran upfield on the snap and got rag dolled to the ground with little effort by the RT. The play just reeked of completely lost.
This defense has a lot of coaches. A LOT of coaches. What they seem to be lacking is coordination. Levels of defense that seem to be operating from different books.
Now, when things get to the point this defense has reached (and my God the defense in Washington was a special kind of lost) you hope to see one position coach that maybe smells blood in the water. Sees himself in Doms seat and get his guys to hold their end up.
But that isn't happening. Every level of defense seems to be chasing other level mistakes. It looks like an every man for himself defense. Coaches included.
Dom has to know he's on borrowed time. He either gets busy coordinating or his coaching career has a couple months left.
heyward posted:Lacy was averaging over 5 yards per carry. He can look like McCarthy as long as he puts up numbers like that.
Well, yes, when he sees the ****ing field
Grave Digger posted:I agree. I am all for re-signing Lacy, maybe not at those contract numbers, but he's done nothing but produce since coming to GB.
Well, yes, when he sees the ****ing field
Thank goodness Gunter is here. Most GMs would never have guessed Shields could miss the rest of season. We have it so good.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Grave Digger posted:I agree. I am all for re-signing Lacy, maybe not at those contract numbers, but he's done nothing but produce since coming to GB.
Well, yes, when he sees the ****ing field
Are there any players and coaches on this team you do like?
El-Ka-Bong posted:Shields doesn't surprise me, Lacy does a little bit.
Perhaps there is a chance Ted re-signs Lacy now, since the price should be really cheap. Not sure it is worth it, but there is a chance.
I don't think Phat Eddie is worth it to be honest. The guy is probably about as big as Mr. Creosote from the Meaning of Life. All kidding aside I am just not sure if he is worth a big contract but if they could get him cheap I am all for it.
As for Shields I feel bad for the guy and if he cant play again it is a shame. But, he needs to think about his long term health. So I am too lazy to look it up but if a player is in the middle of a contract how does it work if he retires because of injury?
Grave Digger posted:El-Ka-Bong postedAre there any players and coaches on this team you do like?
Fakrell
ChilliJon posted:I was traveling over the weekend. Watched the Washington game today. All of it.
With 2:30 left in the 4th and the score 35-24 on the Packers 6 Kyler Fackrell came tearing onto the field seconds before the snap. Lined up outside. Ran upfield on the snap and got rag dolled to the ground with little effort by the RT. The play just reeked of completely lost.
This defense has a lot of coaches. A LOT of coaches. What they seem to be lacking is coordination. Levels of defense that seem to be operating from different books.
Now, when things get to the point this defense has reached (and my God the defense in Washington was a special kind of lost) you hope to see one position coach that maybe smells blood in the water. Sees himself in Doms seat and get his guys to hold their end up.
But that isn't happening. Every level of defense seems to be chasing other level mistakes. It looks like an every man for himself defense. Coaches included.
Dom has to know he's on borrowed time. He either gets busy coordinating or his coaching career has a couple months left.
Communication issues have been a major troubled area for the Packers for a long time. On both sides of the ball and special teams too.
Boris posted:FYI....Shields isn't out for a concussion.
Hell Jordan Reed had his eleventy billionth concussion & he is back already.
SOMETHING else is going on. He ain't hurt
This.
We've seen plenty of examples over the years where if there is any way the team can get an injured player back on the field, even not at 100%, those players are in the game. Just look at CM3 and Randall; Randall has been running at 50%-75% since his return and Matthews was doing little more than a jog-through. Adams trying to play last year with the ankle is another example.
This is aggravated when one (or more) positions get decimated and there's little choice to make.
Given that depth is depleted at CB, if there was any way Shields could play, the team would be making that happen ASAP. The timing of him going to IR may be coincidental, but I think the team has known for many weeks it was a career-ending injury.
GBP1 posted:ChilliJon posted:I was traveling over the weekend. Watched the Washington game today. All of it.
With 2:30 left in the 4th and the score 35-24 on the Packers 6 Kyler Fackrell came tearing onto the field seconds before the snap. Lined up outside. Ran upfield on the snap and got rag dolled to the ground with little effort by the RT. The play just reeked of completely lost.
This defense has a lot of coaches. A LOT of coaches. What they seem to be lacking is coordination. Levels of defense that seem to be operating from different books.
Now, when things get to the point this defense has reached (and my God the defense in Washington was a special kind of lost) you hope to see one position coach that maybe smells blood in the water. Sees himself in Doms seat and get his guys to hold their end up.
But that isn't happening. Every level of defense seems to be chasing other level mistakes. It looks like an every man for himself defense. Coaches included.
Dom has to know he's on borrowed time. He either gets busy coordinating or his coaching career has a couple months left.
Communication issues have been a major troubled area for the Packers for a long time. On both sides of the ball and special teams too.
I've speculated many times over the years that Dom sometimes comes up with game plans that are mentally too complicated for players to carry out.