Simms compares Rodgers to Elway

barristerMember

High praise for our QB from another great QB:

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"I tell you, I did not like him coming out of California," Simms said, referring to Rodgers. "I thought, man I don't know, this guy is not a number one pick. Then I saw him his third year in practice one day in Green Bay. I turned and I went, 'Oh my gosh.' I don't know what he did. I don't know how he fixed himself. But it's incredible. His talent is undeniable. He's like John Elway when John Elway took all those teams to the Super Bowl. I don't know if they were always deserving of it, but he brought their level of play up enough to get it done. I think Aaron Rodgers is capable of that.

Hard to argue with Simms, unless the argument is that Rodgers is much better than Elway was at this point in this respective careers. I have placed a few bets with friends over the past couple of years that the Packers will definitely will in a Super Bowl with Rodgers under center. I would say that they will win multiple Super Bowls, especially if TT keeps these type of weapons and this quality of defense around him.

1/13/118:59 AM

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HenryYou rang?

He's no Steve Young.

1/13/119:06 AM

barristerMember

Indeed. Steve Young felt monkeys. Rodgers doesn't. No monkey for Rodgers

1/13/119:10 AM

JJSDSitzpinkler Schadenfreude

1/13/119:23 AM

barristerMember

Did Young touch the monkey?

1/13/119:26 AM

JJSDSitzpinkler Schadenfreude

It was more of a spanking.

It's interesting that Simms would be surprised at AR's tallant in year three, because that's different from Elway, whose tallant was obvious from the get-go. Regardless, it's clear that folks are realizing AR's ceiling is awfully high to even be mentioned with guys like this.

1/13/119:26 AM

KonKreteMember

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I don't know if they were always deserving of it, but he brought their level of play up enough to get it done. I think Aaron Rodgers is capable of that.

I hope we don't get to the point again where all the media can talk about is our QB. There was no team, it was all POSTOG, even when Green was at his best, it was all about that pusswad carrying us.

1/13/119:26 AM

HenryYou rang?

He's the second best RB on the team behind Brandon Jackson.

1/13/119:27 AM

KonKreteMember

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Originally posted by JJSD:

That is HOT! The fire I mean.

1/13/119:27 AM

HenryYou rang?

I have this picture in velvet.

1/13/119:29 AM

HenryYou rang?

BTW, I agree with both barrister and konkrete. I do think if TT keeps this level of depth on this team the Packers can win multiple superbowls with Rodgers under center. To that point, winning multiple championships depends on the team and culture, not just the guy under center. Having a guy like Rodgers under center is a big part of that picture.

1/13/119:32 AM

Satori"...going where the climate suits my clothes"

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Originally posted by KonKrete:

I hope we don't get to the point again where all the media can talk about is our QB.

Think of the modern day NFL as entertainment and it will become a bit clearer

In the entertainment industry they pimp the Stars in order to get you to go see a movie, even though its a cast of thousands

The same strategy is employed by the broadcasters to get you to watch. Watch what the promo's are for upcoming games...the media pimps the stars because that is their winning formula. No more Steel Curtain or Gang Green; sadly those days are over as they do not fit the template for promotion, jersey sales and ratings

1/13/119:32 AM

BrakMember

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I don't know what he did. I don't know how he fixed himself.

1/13/119:41 AM

Satori"...going where the climate suits my clothes"

1/13/119:57 AM

IowacheeseKeen Insight

1/13/119:59 AM

FreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?

PROOFS!?!?!?!?!

1/13/1110:01 AM

barristerMember

No doubt. Thankfully MM can coach'em up, but not pick'em. Had he been able to pick'em, the 49ers would have their franchise QB for the next decade, and who knows where the Packers would be....

1/13/1110:03 AM

JJSDSitzpinkler Schadenfreude

Most likely wondering if a certain 41-year-old QB was going to come back for 'one more year'.

1/13/1110:04 AM

chickenboyTic Toc

Love the comparison to Elway! Arm strength and running ability/escapability match up well. AR stats will end up dwarfing Elway's if he keeps this current pace and I'm looking forward to some heart stopping game winning drives from AR like Elway made common place for the Donkeys.

1/13/1110:04 AM

HenryYou rang?

Of course! Uniform color. Sure fire everytime.

Did we see any regression playing in the throw back unis?

1/13/1110:06 AM

HenryYou rang?

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Originally posted by chickenboy:
Love the comparison to Elway! Arm strength and running ability/escapability match up well. AR stats will end up dwarfing Elway's if he keeps this current pace and I'm looking forward to some heart stopping game winning drives from AR like Elway made common place for the Donkeys.

Homer.

1/13/1110:08 AM

chickenboyTic Toc

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Originally posted by barrister:
No doubt. Thankfully MM can coach'em up, but not pick'em. Had he been able to pick'em, the 49ers would have their franchise QB for the next decade, and who knows where the Packers would be....

I'm a big believer in "right place, right time" for guys and I wonder if Smith would have fell instead of Rodgers and AR was thrown to the wolves and Smith got to sit and learn for awhile if their careers would have been flipped to some degree?

1/13/1110:08 AM

barristerMember

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Originally posted by chickenboy:
silent killer

Good point. Rodgers came into a great situation, where he was able to sit for a few years and learn the system. From a football perspective (i.e., drama aside), we made a perfect transition from a HOF QB to the heir. The only worthy comparison is the 49ers transition from Montana to Young.

1/13/1110:15 AM

RoyalWulffMember

quote:
Originally posted by Henry:
I have this picture in velvet.

That right there is what we can an investment, Henry.
Take good care of it, and it could be your ticket
to a cushy retirement. Or maybe a luxury suite
at Lambeau. If you need to sell it, I hear the
Louvre is looking for those.

1/13/1110:18 AM

chickenboyTic Toc

On the "right place right time" topic, it is known that Starr wanted Montana in the third round of the 1979 draft and whoever talked him into Charles Johnson. Wonder how Montana's career path would have gone if Starr had gotten his way?

1/13/1110:22 AM

barristerMember

I'm stating the obvious here: Starr was no Walsh when it came to coaching.

1/13/1110:27 AM

ammoCheese Master

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Originally posted by barrister:
No doubt. Thankfully MM can coach'em up, but not pick'em. Had he been able to pick'em, the 49ers would have their franchise QB for the next decade, and who knows where the Packers would be....

Enough with MM not picking Rodgers. MM was what, the OC only or was he just the QB coach? At any rate no matter which QB MM had recomended there was no certainty the 49er brass would have gone with his recomendation. I sure hope TT doesn't pick players based on what one assistant coach says.

1/13/1111:19 AM

BorisSooper Jeeenyious

Wayne Larivee touched on this point when he was on KNBR yesterday.

Wayne said he has no idea how Rodgers wouold have turned out if he had to deal with 5 different OC's in 5 years like Alex Smith did.

The niners are so screwed up from top to bottom, they draft a QB #1 then they proceed to change the coaching staffs on a yearly basis.

Here's my thought.

Trade Matt Flynn for a 2011 2nd rounder to the Niners.

Pickup Alex Smith to backup Rodgers.

Wait until you see what MM & Tom Clements do with Alex Smith who will be under ZERO pressure to perform at a #1 overall pick level.

1/13/1111:28 AM

chickenboyTic Toc

Although obviously he didn't have the final say isn't M3 on record in saying he preferred Smith to AR?

1/13/1111:28 AM

chickenboyTic Toc

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Originally posted by Boris:

Pickup Alex Smith to backup Rodgers.

You realize he is a veteran correct?

1/13/1111:29 AM

TDMember

quote:
Originally posted by chickenboy:
I'm a big believer in "right place, right time" for guys and I wonder if Smith would have fell instead of Rodgers and AR was thrown to the wolves and Smith got to sit and learn for awhile if their careers would have been flipped to some degree?

Sort of like Steve Young?

1/13/1111:51 AM

barristerMember

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Originally posted by ammo:
Enough with MM not picking Rodgers. MM was what, the OC only or was he just the QB coach? At any rate no matter which QB MM had recomended there was no certainty the 49er brass would have gone with his recomendation. I sure hope TT doesn't pick players based on what one assistant coach says.

I guess that I don't understand the problem. It is not a criticism of McCarthy. I'm just glad things worked out the way they did. But you can't rewrite history. McCarthy openly admits that he played a part in the 49ers selecting Smith over Rodgers and, consistent with his character, he has admitted the mistake:

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After two years during which Rodgers set the Cal mark for career passer rating, more complications came during the first round of the 2005 draft, when he and Utah's Alex Smith were viewed as the top two quarterback prospects. Smith went No. 1 to the 49ers, the preferred pick of then offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy. Rodgers slipped to No. 24 and Green Bay—where McCarthy would be hired as head coach the following year.

"The first day he got here, he wanted to table it right away and I wanted to talk about it," Rodgers says of McCarthy. "He said, 'We didn't pick you. Now I'm here—let's move on.' I was like, 'Hey, let's rewind this a year. What did you guys not see?' I got after him a little bit because he's made some comments in the years since, like 'We didn't know he was that athletic in college.'"

Both laugh about it now, but the coach also knows the perception has motivated Rodgers, who has proved to be an adept scrambler and routinely makes plays with his feet. McCarthy says, "He moves better than I graded him coming out of college. I've admitted to that. I took some body shots on that."

Link

1/13/1112:14 PM

ammoCheese Master

Because I see it as more ammunition for the MM is dum dum crowd, "He couldn't even pick the right QB when he was in San Fran" as well as other stuff the bedwetters post.

1/13/111:34 PM

chickenboyTic Toc

In Boris' X4 diary, he should call the week of January 9-15 "The Week of Oversensitivity."

1/13/111:46 PM

barristerMember

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Originally posted by ammo:
Because I see it as more ammunition for the MM is dum dum crowd, "He couldn't even pick the right QB when he was in San Fran" as well as other stuff the bedwetters post.

That is not my intention at all. I'm very happy with MM as the head coach, and I think he has demonstrated impressive ability in the area of developing QBs. With the run to the playoffs last year, and the similar run this year, I've become a big MM fan. I'm extremely impressed with how this team has competed, even though they have sustained a significant number of injuries.

1/13/111:54 PM

Pack-ManMember

Images and video like this were freaking me out when I saw him drafted, and when he said he didn't think anything was wrong with his throwing motion back then, I was in full panic mode. He just looked so robotic and college-calibrated in them. I started to come around on him in the 2006 preseason, but I didn't really believe in him until that Dallas game. Right then and there, I knew he had what it takes to be an NFL quarterback. Mike McCarthy may come off as a bit of a meat head, but no one out there comes close to him when developing quarterbacks. Thank god CKA cancelled his interview with Ted back in 2006! That moron would have ruined Rodgers in no time at all.

1/13/112:09 PM

Dr._BobMember

But those pictures also clearly illustrate that as Rodgers' mechanics and throwing motion improved, his hair style and grooming worsened. I think MM has proven himself to be sorely lacking as a coach in that area.

1/13/112:34 PM

barristerMember

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Originally posted by Dr._Bob:
But those pictures also clearly illustrate that as Rodgers' mechanics and throwing motion improved, his hair style and grooming worsened. I think MM has proven himself to be sorely lacking as a coach in that area.

Rodgers was - in the immortal words of PacMan Jones - "just being rebellion."

1/13/112:42 PM

CUPackFanMember

quote:
Originally posted by barrister:
No doubt. Thankfully MM can coach'em up, but not pick'em. Had he been able to pick'em, the 49ers would have their franchise QB for the next decade, and who knows where the Packers would be....

I know a lot has been made of this but I really wonder how much pull MM had in San Francisco. I can't imagine a coordinator having much pull (if any) regarding who the team drafts, especially with the first pick.

1/13/113:59 PM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

When McCarthy was with SF and they drafted Smith, he went on record (back then) as being on-board with the selecton. He may not have been truthful, bu he basically had to say that then as Smith was his new QB.

He can't change that position now, someone would pull up the comments and throw it back at him.

1/13/114:08 PM

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