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Pretty good observations on Flynn IMO. This explains quite a bit of why many a team wasn't impressed with Flynn:

 

From Cristl:

Defending Flynn

It seems like pass coverage has been the Lions’ Achilles’ heel since Hall of Famer Lem Barney last played in 1977 and that’s not far from the truth. They’ve ranked in the top 10 in pass defense only four times in the past 32 years. Vulnerable as they are in the secondary and playing without maybe their best cornerback, Chris Houston, the Lions still had their linebackers playing run first, kept only a single safety deep and dared Flynn to try to beat their mediocre corners.

 

He couldn’t do it.

 

Flynn completed 10 passes: A screen to Eddie Lacy for 20, a 16-yarder over the middle to James Jones with a middle linebacker in coverage, a 56-yarder to Jones in garbage time and nothing else for more than 9 yards.

 

It appeared the Lions played a heavy dose of what’s called trail coverage. When a corner respects a quarterback’s arm, he’ll try to stay ahead of the receiver. That’s what led to the back-shoulder throw — quarterbacks throwing behind a receiver when a defender is out in front of him. In trail coverage, a corner will stay tight to the receiver and run hip-to-hip with him.

They’ll do that against a quarterback with a weak arm for two reasons: No. 1, they figure the chances are the ball will be underthrown or thrown behind the receiver; No. 2, they figure even if they get beat, they’ll have time to recover because the ball will hang in the air.

 

There might be no better example of what ails the Packers’ passing game at the moment than a pass to Jordy Nelson across the middle with 13:30 to go in the second quarter. The Lions called an all-out blitz and rushed seven against a three-wide receiver set.

 

For starters, no defensive coordinator in his right mind would make that call if Aaron Rodgers was playing. It left Nelson one-on-one against a nickel back and tight end Andrew Quarless underneath and uncovered. As it was, Flynn had enough time and a choice of two receivers, but he didn’t get the ball out in front of Nelson quick enough and that gave Bill Bentley, playing trail coverage, time to recover and bat it away.

 

With 1:22 left in the half, Flynn threw deep up the sideline to Jarrett Boykin. The ball was underthrown and with the corner playing trail coverage, Boykin couldn’t come back for it the way Jones did on a 28-yard completion against Minnesota last Sunday.

 

For the most part, Flynn doesn’t even attempt to throw the ball up the seam. Those are much riskier passes than those to the sideline because there are more defenders in the middle of the field. Thus, the ball has to be thrown far enough so the defense can’t get underneath it. Those are passes that require both velocity and touch, and Flynn has given no indication in two games that he can make those throws.

 

A deep post to Jones in the first half wobbled and fell short. One to Boykin in the second half also was underthrown.On top of everything else, Flynn’s release is slow. He might have held the ball too long on two or three of his seven sacks, but the bigger issue is that the ball takes too long to get there.

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I think MM made the correct call yesterday in starting Flynn.  In a must-win game, I'd take knowledge over ability.  Unfortunately, I don't think MM played to Flynn's strengths.  Would have like to have seen more screens (the first was a beauty), pass plays moving the pocket, and some outside-the-tackles runs by Starks.

 

With the playoffs effectively out of reach, it's Tolzien Time if AR can't go.

Several weeks ago Bad Bob McGinn wrote this about Flynn

Sources said the major reason Seattle gave the job to Russell Wilson in 2012 and then traded Flynn to Oakland was commitment. Flynn, according to sources, became a 9-to-5er and, not only was he outperformed, he also was outworked. One Seahawks teammate did say Flynn was a master on the ping-pong table.

In Oakland, the combination of Flynn's mediocre work habits and an awful showing Sept. 29 in a start against Washington led GM Reggie McKenzie to cut him.

 

And if you noticed a couple of sideline shots of Flynn in the first half.  I think the Packers were up 10-3 and the camera showed Flynn sitting on the bench with elbows casually propped up.  Was he looking at film or plays or defense alignments...no.  Was he talking WRs or coaches or Rodgers...no.

 

Second time Flynn is talking to Rodgers and to his right sat Scott Tolzien with his faced buried in the playbook and taking notes. 

 

Flynn wont be back next season.  Tolzien will be the back up.

Matt Flynn didn't start til his 5th year at LSU and then won a national championship.

He has enough money to live comfortably for 175 years. He did not have to come back to a team that has Newhouse, Barclay and Baktari in their line. He ran a no huddle offense well after being with the team for a week....he may not sleep in the film room....but I can't believe he's lazy. The problem I would think, is with the rubber arm.

There were actually Packers beat writers floating the possibility of franchising Flynn. Bob McGinn couldn't have been one of those. Could he?

 

I'm impressed with how rapidly the Seahawks were willing to admit they made a huge error and moved on.

 

As for Flynn. He's got a great future pitching those how to get rich infomercials.

 

"Why can't you do that?!".

If Flynn didn't take his job seriously in Seattle then he's a idiot.  Everything I've read about Russell Wilson is that he's crazy motivated and a hard worker and to some extent he's always had to be that because he's been "undersized" as a QB.   However, he's overcome all the odds at just about any level of sports.

 

That's why I'd go with Tolzien and let the chips fall where they may.   When a guy loses his job to Terrelle Pryor and Matt McGloin that tells you all you need to know.   Arm strength or not he's simply not a good QB.  He's Scott Mitchell part II. 

I was hoping that Tolzien would have started vs the Lions.  Flynn would have done better in relief.   And for that matter, MM should have pulled Flynn and put Tolzien early in the 2nd half.

Once EDS went out I think AR would have looked like Flynn in there with that swiss cheese line.  Hard to find open guys when all you're looking at is blue uniforms coming at you.  This is not to vindicate his arm - it's obviously not a good enough NFL arm.

I agree with that.  Essentially that same goes for Tolzien.  '

 

AR can cover up a lot of those things, but with a full compliment, our backups could do more. 

Originally Posted by heyward:

Give Flynn decent protection and Cobb and Finley and he can win games, even with his weak arm.

No. He's won a game. That's it. With the Lions playing defense like it was 7 on 7. The other 4 times he saw extensive action with the Packers he was abysmal save a loss to NE where he threw a pick to end it.. Two  terrible efforts were vs. the very same Lions. He was demoted behind Terrelle Pryor before he was axed by the 2nd of 3 teams in a year. Pryor has since been replaced by Mike McGloin. He couldn't stick with the Bills when all they had was Thad Lewis. He started a game for the Raiders and it was a disaster.

 

The Lions designed a defense fitted to his limitation way before EDS went out an the injury excuse could be invoked once again. Hopefully we'll never see him again in a meaningful game unless some other unfortunate team has to use him against GB.

 

He did get teams to pay him something like $15 million dollars for 2 starts. He is to congratulated for that.

I don't care what Flynn did in Seattle and Oakland. With the Packers, he was good against New England and Minnesota and he stunk against the Lions twice. I'm not ready to write him off. Put a full complement of players around him and he can put points on the board.

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