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3 Clay Matthews “hit” vs Vikes QB last year.

OPI on King last night. Lions benefited.  

Was that a TD by the Lions. Sure didn’t seem like it to me. 

Clay sacking Alex Smith while he's holding the football & gets a penalty. That happened the following week. Then the NFL doubles down & says that was a correct call.

That play pretty much reduced my interest in the game to bowling/Cornhole level.

Last night Wifey & I heading to an excellent restaurant during the last half of the 4th quarter. Flipping the channel to keep an eye on the baseball game. That folks, is where my level of interest is.

The media loves outrage. They're in their glory right now, ESPN and their lineup of clowns will be wringing all they can out this for the rest of the season. Why? Because the American public wants everything to be perfect, everything should be reviewed and confirmed, without question. There's no room for error! After all, it's not a game it's a f**king science. As others on this forum have pointed out, Flowers might want to re-think his technique. Marcus Spears (Get Up) stated things fairly accurately IMHO: missed calls have been happening forever and it's part of the game. Now that the league has allowed officials to review some, the expectation is that there can be no mistakes. 

The genie's out of the bottle folks, no going back now. Oh, the outrage!

The media and X4 loves outrage

I remember a game shortly after review was introduced to the league. The Packers were playing the Vikings and a Viking receiver made a diving “catch” in the end zone. The official signaled TD, but the player simply dropped the ball and headed back to the huddle. The ball had clearly bounced about a yard in front of him, but the official had missed it. The play was reviewed and overturned. No TD.

My point being, review had a place. Turning over the truly terrible calls, but now with every play being inspected from every angle at super slow motion it tries to do too much.

I wish we could go back to no replay, but that just can’t happen. The mistake is going to be adding more reviews. That idiot, Dan Orlovsky was calling for an overseeing review of every play on ESPN this AM. Can you imagine the time and controversy that would cause?

we are caught up in the discussion because the Pack is involved, but the bad calls and reviews have happened every week this season,

The Jerry Rice non fumble in the playoff game. 

The Fail Mary in Seattle 

Clay Matthews hit on Cousins last year v Minnesota 

Once the officials come to grips with those plays then we can talk bad officiating 

LIONS

-lots of coverage/feel good story about the Stafford family

PACKERS

-little coverage about the Crosby family

Boris posted:

Clay sacking Alex Smith while he's holding the football & gets a penalty. That happened the following week. Then the NFL doubles down & says that was a correct call.

That play pretty much reduced my interest in the game to bowling/Cornhole level.

Last night Wifey & I heading to an excellent restaurant during the last half of the 4th quarter. Flipping the channel to keep an eye on the baseball game. That folks, is where my level of interest is.

I'll probably lose interest once Rodgers moves on. It's the head trauma that bothers me the most. But I've been watching for 45 years and I can't stop when we have a top 10 QB all time. I don't think I'd watch if I had to see a Huntley/Kizer/etc. type start every game. 

To me, an official should only make a call if it's clear as day and if it's borderline, keep the flag in your pants.  They are way too flag happy vs. every team, not just the Packers. 

One call I did not have a problem with, Tracy Walker's hit to the head on Geronimo.  I think Walker legitimately was just trying to make a play on the ball and it was just a football collision, however, the refs cannot determine intent.  He did hit him hard head to head, that one does need to be called even though I think it's very likely Walker was just going for the ball.  I don't think he'll get fined for it, but the penalty is warranted as it's almost impossible for a ref in the heat of action to determine the "intent" on that hit.

I am not forgiving the recent lack of officiating but I do believe that bad calls and have a way of balancing things out over time.

So anyhow what is the solution to improve the officiating?  I don't think more replay is the answer.  Is it employing these guys full time?

PackLandVA posted:

LIONS

-lots of coverage/feel good story about the Stafford family

PACKERS

-little coverage about the Crosby family

One guy is a face of a franchise and nearly a household name.   He plays about 50 snaps.   The other guy plays about 8 snaps.

You seriously want the announcers talking about the kickers personal life throughout the course of the game?   Next week, we play the Raiders.   The long snappers kid survived testicular cancer.   You want the announcers making more than 1 reference to that?

The official called the penalty on the same guy for the same "move". In his interpretation that "move" was illegal.

BrainDed posted:

One guy is a face of a franchise and nearly a household name.   He plays about 50 snaps.   The other guy plays about 8 snaps.

You seriously want the announcers talking about the kickers personal life throughout the course of the game?   Next week, we play the Raiders.   The long snappers kid survived testicular cancer.   You want the announcers making more than 1 reference to that?

How about have the story in the pregame show then maybe make one mention of it in the 1st half with a few seconds of camera time and then maybe once more in the 2nd half if something happens organically in the game that makes sense to show the family member? Don't care if it's Rodgers or Stafford or a guy that's a healthy scratch for the game. They are human interest stories and they have a place in the flow of the game. Stop shoving it down our throats. 

A couple years ago, but the "touchdown" by the Seahawks.  It was an interception and I believe it was the last play of the game.

Unless and until the NFL and it's fans come to grips with the fact that this is an ultra fast paced game that is officiated by people that are prone to human error, we will continue to circle back to this nonsense.  

More replay isn't the answer.  NFLFU isn't the answer.  BS conspiracy theories on who the NFL wants to win isn't the answer.  

Officiating is part of the game.  Did GB get some calls last night?  No question... Has GB been completely fucked by calls in other games?  No question...

There isn't a single sport that I know of where officiating doesn't have an impact on a game.  Don't like it?  Go knit a fucking scarf to occupy your spare time and leave sports to the rest of us.

phaedrus posted:

A couple years ago, but the "touchdown" by the Seahawks.  It was an interception and I believe it was the last play of the game.

Literally in the first post. 

Facemask on AR at the end of the playoff game vs cardinals in 2009. 

PackerHawk posted:

phaedrus posted:

A couple years ago, but the "touchdown" by the Seahawks.  It was an interception and I believe it was the last play of the game.

Literally in the first post. 

Unfamiliar with the term "Fail Mary.":

It's what you get if you order a Bloody Mary outside the state of Wisconsin. 

No Turkey leg?

If  you are ever in Vegas go to Ricks Rolling Smoke on LV Blvd, in the shit area between downtown and Sahara.    It's owned by the Pawn Shop guy that's on TV.  He occasionally bar tends too. 

Their bloody is on par with WI standards and comes with a baby back rib and a burnt ends slider.   

phaedrus posted:

PackerHawk posted:

phaedrus posted:

A couple years ago, but the "touchdown" by the Seahawks.  It was an interception and I believe it was the last play of the game.

Literally in the first post. 

Unfamiliar with the term "Fail Mary.":

Totally understandable. It's only one of the most negative iconic moments in Packer history. I'm sure only a handful of fans are aware of this term. 

Wait.

I thought it was from when I couldn’t get to 2nd base in 8th grade.

PackerHawk posted:

phaedrus posted:

PackerHawk posted:

phaedrus posted:

A couple years ago, but the "touchdown" by the Seahawks.  It was an interception and I believe it was the last play of the game.

Literally in the first post. 

Unfamiliar with the term "Fail Mary.":

Totally understandable. It's only one of the most negative iconic moments in Packer history. I'm sure only a handful of fans are aware of this term. 

Are we going to have to have a reference forum on the site to define other things like 4th and 26 also? 

Blair Kiel posted:

Wait.

I thought it was from when I couldn’t get to 2nd base in 8th grade.

Hell, you never even got to 1st base.

There is no way Blair even knew what bases were in 8th grade.

I went to an all boys school.

Shows what you haters know.

justanotherpackerfan posted:

There is no way Blair even knew what bases were in 8th grade.

That's because there aren't bases in Soccer and Trig Club.

Like I know what trig is.

True ootball fans should get up right now and go the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell, "I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

Sounds like a J G Wentworth commercial.

8 7 7 C A S H N O W 

Blair Kiel posted:

Wait.

I thought it was from when I couldn’t get to 2nd base in 8th grade.

That was a win for Mary

PackerHawk posted:

BrainDed posted:

One guy is a face of a franchise and nearly a household name.   He plays about 50 snaps.   The other guy plays about 8 snaps.

You seriously want the announcers talking about the kickers personal life throughout the course of the game?   Next week, we play the Raiders.   The long snappers kid survived testicular cancer.   You want the announcers making more than 1 reference to that?

How about have the story in the pregame show then maybe make one mention of it in the 1st half with a few seconds of camera time and then maybe once more in the 2nd half if something happens organically in the game that makes sense to show the family member? Don't care if it's Rodgers or Stafford or a guy that's a healthy scratch for the game. They are human interest stories and they have a place in the flow of the game. Stop shoving it down our throats. 

It's still probably more relevant than showing Gisele Bundchen during Patriots games. Or for that matter, showing Bob "Hand Job" Kraft or Jerry Jones on every key play in their games. 

PackerHawk posted:

phaedrus posted:

PackerHawk posted:

phaedrus posted:

A couple years ago, but the "touchdown" by the Seahawks.  It was an interception and I believe it was the last play of the game.

Literally in the first post. 

Unfamiliar with the term "Fail Mary.":

Totally understandable. It's only one of the most negative iconic moments in Packer history. I'm sure only a handful of fans are aware of this term. 

geeez.

ok.