Very interesting chart. Not surprised to see Hou, Atl, and N O that high based on the fact there play so many games in domes. Surprised to see Cle and G B that high based on they play about 1/3 of home games in potentially crappy weather. But Cheatriots, yah, off the chart.
Originally Posted by The Ref fka Blair Kiel:
Originally Posted by Herschel:
Well, of course Brady didn't do anything to the balls himself. Where was BK's pool boy before the game? It shouldn't have taken much to out-bid for an afternoon of his services.
Miguel knows nothing of American football.
La Pelota........Si!
Perhaps not, but Miguel was mucho impressed that each NFL team were able to use their own balls. That's the main reason soccer sucks besides, you know, the fact that Americans are really bad at it. Those silly saps use the same ball for both teams. Ridiculous! If those stupid foreigners could afford more than one ball...
A bit off topic but I once bowled in an ABC bowling tournament (amateurs) and all of our bowling balls were weighed ,measured, and CHECKED FOR HARDNESS before we could bowl. And none of us bowling were professionals.
Did you scuff your balls for better traction? Or are your balls just hard enough? Not too soft?
Bob, they checked your balls for hardness???? Er,wrong organ.
Someone suggested a Statefarm Hans and Frans SB ad about pumping up balls.
I know that I am rooting for the Pats in the Super Bowl because of this. Because of this we are not really hearing anything about Seattle, and the comeback they had, which makes me throw up a little everytime.
It's kind of a perfect storm for a Pats win.
Seattle loses. Pats win another by cheating again and never hear the end of it. The hoodie might call it a career.
That ain't bad.
Same here guys. Brady's already got 3, 1 more isn't going to change his legacy much and the cheating aspect will always follow him.
Meanwhile, if those clowns from Seattle win we'll continue to hear what a winner Rusty Wilson is plus they'll have a chance to go for 3 in a row. No thanks.
I guess the talking heads could say that R Wilson is a loser.....
WWTCTD
@TonyDungy: Yesterday on ProFootballTalk I said I might tell players 2 fake injury versus Patriots substitutions. TOTALLY wrong on my part. I apologize!
Sort of related, TCTD made this year's semifinalist level for the HoF. Shows what good media relations get you. Undeserving.
Originally Posted by The GBP Rules:
Seems the Patriots are off the charts when it comes to fumbles at home.
This would implicate Belicheat even more so than Brady. Will there be someone shouting out cheater!! at their Hall of Fame induction? Very unpleasant business for Patriot players, ex-players and fans. Stench will never go away.
Billions being made, the league doesn't care.
makes me wonder if the Patriots are really good cheaters, or really bad cheaters
Really good at cheating, really bad at hiding it. What's the saying? As soon as more than one person knows a secret, it is no longer a secret. Or something like that.
Was it Halas or Lombardi was just saying about the rats in the locker room.
@lindsayberra: Gramps on #deflategate: "If you're going to cheat, it's better if you don't get caught." #Yankees #Patriots #ThisIsTrue
Three people can keep a secret, as long as two of them are dead.quote:What's the saying? As soon as more than one person knows a secret, it is no longer a secret.
Not sure if you slipped an Aaron Hernandez quote into a Patriot thread or if you're just fascinated with death.
Patriots about to start a not previously scheduled press conference. Wonder which ball boy is getting fired? Will be streamed at patriots.com
EDIT: It's Billy B. Also on NFL Network
I feel that if the ball hadn't been deflated the Colts probably would've won that game. That being said the Pats played their hearts out!
— Colin Quinn (@iamcolinquinn) January 24, 2015
I disagree with Tom Brady that this is the "next ISIS" as he put it. It's football "get a grip"(which is what the ballboy said to Tom.)
— Colin Quinn (@iamcolinquinn) January 24, 2015
Bizarre Hoodie science class presser to prove he's not a cheater.
League warns Seattle that every time Marshawn Lynch grabs his dick its a 15 yard penalty.
I'd say the lead up to the Super Bowl couldn't possibly be going any worse but these two teams have another week. The NFL would hit the reset button right now if it could.
Throw the Patriots out of the Super Bowl
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/23/...uper-bowl/index.html
This is the first time I'd seen someone in the national media suggest that the Pats should be banned from the SB.
Remember the SI article in December when Tom wanted SI to know every aspect of his life was planned months in advance. Every meal. Every workout. Sleep. Cognitive brain excersizes. Everything. And that excessive attention to every last detail was going to help him play 10 more years.
But he has no idea how 11 of those 12 footballs he hand picked were under-inflated In a championship game.
Sorry if I think he's completely full of ****.
He's clearly full of ****. Nothing to be sorry about.
Still one of the GOAT though.
I think Tom is more concerned about what the hell happened with that 12th ball?? You just can't get good help today.
 | adbrandt Knew this was coming. RT @KNegandhiESPN "What he said didn't make any sense." - Bill Nye the Science Guy on Belichick's presser. 1/25/15, 6:31 AM |
@BenVolin: Richard Sherman on if he expects Pats to be punished: “Not as long as Roger Goodell & Robert Kraft take pictures at their respective homes.”
I guess there's two ways of looking at this.
Goodell has carefully managed to weave subplots and story lines into one of the most media covered Superbowl weeks of all time leading to record ratings and he's a ****ing genius.
Or he's completely lost control of everything and all of us are watching his one man Multi Billion dollar car crash play out over 15 days and no one can look away.
Either way. everyone involved in the ratings game is winning huge this week.
@Nate_Cohn: I'm not a scientist, but [because of the Nor'Easter] all footballs in the Northeast will cease to exist tomorrow according to the Belichick Theorem
Originally Posted by ChilliJon:
If Brady did what it looks like he did. And he did it on his own. How do you tell Marshawn he's getting tossed over a pair of shoes in the NFC Championship game and turn around and give Brady a hall pass when you know what he did. Assuming again he did what it looks like he did.
^^^ This ^^^
But no, it's not gonna happen.
If we believe Hoodie. Wouldn't every ball in Lambeau playoff history be a flaccid leather mess before Q1 is over?
Originally Posted by The GBP Rules:
Seems the Patriots are off the charts when it comes to fumbles at home.
Very interesting read.
So maybe we shouldn't assume it was done at Brady's request. Fumble reduction could point back to the coaching staff.
There is absolutely no way the footballs would be deflated, inflated, roughed up, buffed, or whatever without Brady approving somehow of the end product. He may not have given the order but no coach in New England is altering game balls without Brady's knowledge. That's more a Cleveland or JAX level of operation.
A co-worker of mine had an interesting theory this morning. He thinks the Patriots used warm/hot air to inflate the balls to present for inspection. That way, they'd be properly inflated for the inspection and gradually deflate as they cooled.
Who gives a ****?!!?
We can't get past this game fast enough
I'm in the proverbial "can both teams lose" for this superb owl.
ain't watching, don't care, complete cipher game for me.
bring on the draft.
Can't get to the combine and FA (even though Thompson is never active in the first week) fast enough for me.
As disgusting as it will feel because it's NE, I can't wait for SEA to get owned on the big stage. How many lollipop passes is Rustle going to lob?
If the Patriots win the Superb Owl I have a hunch, Billy B & Tommy are going to retire. Neither one of them needs this garbage anymore
Don't think so, boss. IMO Belichick wants more NFL titles than Vince to cement a claim as best coach ever.
Brady wants to keep playing too. In that regard not unlike his boyhood hero Joe Montana. If it is with another team, so be it. His recent contract restructure makes it easier for both he and the Patriots to cut ties, if it comes to that.
NYT Magazine is out with Brady profile. Excerpts, below:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02...ady-cannot-stop.html
Brady’s short-term goal, obviously, is to beat the Seattle Seahawks in the Super Bowl. His broader game plan involves becoming a kind of lifestyle pioneer in redefining how long a 37-year-old veteran can hold off his twilight. In effect, Brady is bent on nothing less than subverting the standard expectations of how long a superstar quarterback can play like one.
...there is virtually no precedent for 40-something star quarterbacks. If Brady can perform at a high level until 43 or 44, would he regard that as history-making? “I think so, I think so,” he said in a way that made it clear he had thought a lot about this already.
...“I just know that I’m sitting here at age 37 and I feel perfect at the end of 16 games,” Brady told me. “My arm doesn’t hurt, my legs don’t hurt. My teammates, they’re hurting.”
And a WTF is a Tuck Rule call?
And video-taped defensive practices and signals.
And deflated balls.
Some interesting help in his career.
Originally Posted by Tdog:
I'm in the proverbial "can both teams lose" for this superb owl.
ain't watching, don't care, complete cipher game for me.
bring on the draft.
Agree completely with you Tdog. Is there some way we can get both teams to lose. I will; NOT be watching this game. That would be the BEST solution IMO.
Here's a 
.
Breaking news: sources tell @FOXSports the NFL has zeroed in on a locker room attendant w Patriots who ... http://t.co/uGAk8i139X
— Jay Glazer (@JayGlazer) January 26, 2015I'm sorta surprised it took them this long to decide on the ballboy as the patsy. Maybe the poor bastard was negotiating his payoff for falling on the grenade. Of course, he could rat out the real culprits but then he'd be found in the trunk of Rog's car a few days later.
Ya gotta give 'em credit - they didn't **** around with the choosing of the goof they trotted out in front of this one.
Well done, Pats. Dick Nixon could have learned a thing or two from you.
They are zeroing in on the locker room guy, yet Wells says the "Investigation will take several more weeks".
Might as well release the surveillance tape now.
Originally Posted by Boris:
Who gives a ****?!!?
We can't get past this game fast enough
What game?
Originally Posted by BufordT:
A co-worker of mine had an interesting theory this morning. He thinks the Patriots used warm/hot air to inflate the balls to present for inspection. That way, they'd be properly inflated for the inspection and gradually deflate as they cooled.
That was my first thought.
PV=nRT
P(ressure in pascals)x V(olume in m^3)=n(amount in moles)xR(gas constant)XT(emperature in Kelvins)
Ideal gas law says a 10% increase in temperature = 10% increase in pressure.
I'm sure the genius could compensate for the slight increase in volume without doing any experiments.
That's only about 90ºF warmer than your end temperature. In the summer it might be kind of a hard sell but in the winter?
32ºF=0ºC≈273K. We use 300K as room temperature.
Keep them in a hot box until the ref measures them, then keep refrigerated until serving.
and perhaps most importantly- No violation. I haven't heard of any restrictions on the temperature of the gas you fill them with.
This could wind up being the most scientific discussion on X4 since our prolonged, in-depth series on pee and the spectrometer a few years ago.
I'm giddy.
Originally Posted by Hud:
We need to see a rant like that here on X4.
LOL!
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/s...tsmtw:fscom:nflonfox
There is surveillance video showing the attendant taking the footballs from the official's locker room into another room at Gillette Stadium before bringing them out to the field, sources tell FOX Sports.
That is funny. There are rules pertaining to the condition of game used footballs, yet right before a conference championship game an "attendent" can wander off to just about anywhere with those footballs.
From presser, ongoing:
@RapSheet: Robert Kraft said the league should apologize to his team if it’s proven that his team had no wrongdoing. Wow.
@AaronNagler: Power move by Kraft to make a statement and take no questions.
**** this guy.
And the bootlicking continues:
@SI_PeterKing: How great was that by Kraft?
Yes. Patriots are 100% innocent & an apology should be forthcoming. 
What would be great is if we could get 100,000,000 of our best friends to NOT watch the Stupid Bowl.
Wanna see a power move Mr. KRAFT??!? Let me show you who has the REAL power here.
What would be great is if we could get 100,000,000 of our best friends to NOT watch the Stupid Bowl.
Wanna see a power move Mr. KRAFT??!? Let me show you who has the REAL power here.
I thought nobody was going to watch it anyhow since the Packers aren't in it.quote:What would be great is if we could get 100,000,000 of our best friends to NOT watch the Stupid Bowl.
@richarddeitsch: I'm fairly certain that CBS owns the rights to any NFL apology to Robert Kraft.
@t_brett: @richarddeitsch Perhaps Jim Nantz could do a sit down interview with Kraft following that apology.
Inflate the balls with 125°F air, then expose them to the air outside at 50°F... voila, deflation.
Common strategies of liars and cheats:
1. Minimize the lie - it didn't matter anyway, we beat them 45-7 (as long as you believe it only happened once).
2. Deny the obvious facts - 11/12 balls deflated - coincidence. It must have been the weather.
3. Claim foul and an insult to your honor. Then to put the other side on the defense, demand an apology. How dare you NFL, before you go any further beware, you'll owe us an apology if you can't get ball-handler to fess-up.
Originally Posted by Fedya:
As far as I am concerned,the SB has been canceled!!!.quote:What would be great is if we could get 100,000,000 of our best friends to NOT watch the Stupid Bowl.
Updated post by the sharp fooball guys from 1-26 with a new visualisation
click for bigger image
Once again, a key takeaway is deadly obvious: prior to 2007 the Patriots were RIGHT IN LINE with the league averages across the other non-dome teams. When you look team by team, they literally are in the middle of the pack for most seasons, as the histogram in the very first graphic at the top of this article shows. But starting in 2007, all similarities totally vanish.
The statistical “jump” the Patriots make in the 2006 offseason, from one fumble every 39 plays to one fumble every 76 plays is nothing short of remarkable. Their trendline over this period is not even close to that of the rest of the NFL.
The 2013 season is an oddity in that the Patriots were actually slightly worse than the rest of the NFL. Looking at that season, its apparent the reason: of the Patriots 23 fumbles that season, 6 (over 25%) occurred in a Sunday night game vs the Broncos played in 22 degree weather, with 22 mph winds and a wind chill of 6 degrees. Cold conditions of this nature absolutely cause more fumbles than usual. They fumbled a TOTAL of 5 times in 11 of their 16 games in 2013 (69% of their total games), so it truly was this week 12 “antarctic” game (and a week 17 game vs the Bills which saw 4 fumbles) which really put the Patriots fumble rates for 2013 out of sync. This is exactly why looking at small sample sets, such as single seasons, is not the preferred manner to investigate this analysis. continue
No matter how the league decides their punishment I think Brady and Belichick are going to have a difficult time getting in the Hall of Fame for a long time.
I didn't really think that the ball pressure could be that big of an advantage, but it's hard to argue with statistical analysis as telling as that.
I find it most interesting that both patriot gates overlap in 2007 and they go 16-0 that year.
Between spygate and deflate-gate the question becomes are there any years that the Belichick Patriots didn't cheat?
titm, obviously you owe Kraft, Belichick, Brady and the Patriots an apology.
Yes, we all owe them an apology. It was probably the same locker room attendant since 2007. He was helping the Pats all these years and they had no idea what was happening.
As a side note, the graph would also seem to indicate the Patriots are alone in their cheating ways and they can't use the defense "everyone does it".
"I expect... NO... I demand an apology from everyone who ever said Niki is with me for my money"
FU Robert Kraft.
is there any doubt left who pulls the strings of the puppet goodell?
not in my book. he wouldn't stand up to an owner unless they said "stand up right now! ... now sit! good roger. wanna treat?"
Good point Dr. Bob.
So first we hear that some ball boy was responsible.
Next we hear it's some locker room attendant who took the footballs into the crapper.
Now we hear that they submitted the footballs to the refs underinflated and the refs didn't catch it.
Which one is it? Classic case of throwing crap against a wall and hoping something sticks.
One of the most important things my father taught me, right after always make sure your guns are safely locked up, is never trust a guy with a white collar on a blue shirt.
I wonder how many times they are going to show someone standing guard over the footballs..before, during the game?....probably as much as they show Pete Carroll running around the sideline during a game....
"You know what, starting today everyone uses the same footballs. If someone wants to sneak a big ol' bag a balls off to the head and let a little air out who am I to care. Everyone is still playing with the same damn footballs"
Being commissioner isn't rocket surgery.
This committee owes an apology... this committee owes an apology...
As of last Sunday night, I was hoping the Patriots would annihilate the Seahawks (particularly, Russell Wilson's wounded duck prayer heaves getting returned for a TD or two). Now, I'm at the point of not caring at all who wins. Give Kraft, Brady and Belichick a few more days to dig themselves in even deeper, and I'll be hoping to see that obnoxious team from Seattle win.
Originally Posted by Dr._Bob:
Except for Cutler. He can use a Nerf.
I wouldn't change one damn thing about how Jay plays.
NFL is going to have a problem if the cheating Patriots win.
Would be be a great year to be the NFC representative. 
Originally Posted by Hud:
One of the most important things my father taught me, right after always make sure your guns are safely locked up, is never trust a guy with a white collar on a blue shirt.
My father taught me to never trust a man prancing the sidelines wearing a hoodie
That was KKK Camp.
Originally Posted by Hud:
One of the most important things my father taught me, right after always make sure your guns are safely locked up, is never trust a guy with a white collar on a blue shirt.
If you could stop deflating those balls before the game.....
If you're not cheating you're not the Patriots.
Very good TMQ on the Patriots' win and what got it for them: their defense.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...-morning-quarterback
For the second consecutive year, a dominant, smothering defense prevailed in the Super Bowl, proving that in this era of quick-snap scoreboard-spinning tactics, defense still trumps offense.
Last year, it was the Seattle Seahawks' defense. This year, the New England Patriots' defense. Tom Brady's exploits and records inevitably draw the headlines. Defense is what brought the Patriots their latest Lombardi.
TMQ's Law of Comebacks holds: Defense starts comebacks, offense stops them. This diktat was on display in the Patriots' Super Bowl comeback.
Not only did New England's defense seal the deal by stopping Seattle at the goal line with 20 seconds remaining, but it also started the comeback. From the point at which Seattle took a two-score lead late in the third quarter, its possession results were: punt, punt, punt, interception. Two of the final four Seattle possession were three-and-outs.
From the juncture of that Seattle two-score lead, for the remainder of the contest New England's defense allowed just four first downs. Just four first downs against the league's No. 1 rushing attack, a team that excels at moving the chains. Defense starts comebacks, offense stops them. Had the defending champions done anything that all on the three punt possessions before their final last-minute charge, the Patriots' comeback would have been deflated. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Not only did New England's defense win the Super Bowl but it also got the Patriots to the Super Bowl. New England had to stage a divisional-round comeback versus Baltimore. Patriots down 28-14 early in the second half, the defense allowed just three points for the reminder of that contest. At the championship round, New England won easily: but the 45 points scored were less important than the mere seven points allowed to Indianapolis, a high-scoring team.
In fact the most important stat of the 2014 NFL season may be this one, regarding New England's defense: The Patriots did not allow a fourth-quarter touchdown in their final nine games. Teams that don't let opponents score in the fourth quarter are teams that win trophies.
Jerry Rice admits using stickum on gloves after accusing Patriots of cheating
And yet he still fumbled.
And yet he still fumbled.