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Originally Posted by The Ref fka Blair Kiel:

       
Originally Posted by Herschel:

Well, of course Brady didn't do anything to the balls himself. Where was BK's pool boy before the game? It shouldn't have taken much to out-bid for an afternoon of his services.

Miguel knows nothing of American football.

 

La Pelota........Si!


       


Perhaps not, but Miguel was mucho impressed that each NFL team were able to use their own balls. That's the main reason soccer sucks  besides, you know, the fact that Americans are really bad at it.  Those silly saps use the same ball for both teams. Ridiculous!  If those stupid foreigners could afford more than one ball...
Originally Posted by The GBP Rules:

Seems the Patriots are off the charts when it comes to fumbles at home. 

 

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/?p=2932

This would implicate Belicheat even more so than Brady. Will there be someone shouting out cheater!! at their Hall of Fame induction? Very unpleasant business for Patriot players, ex-players and fans. Stench will never go away.

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Bizarre Hoodie science class presser to prove he's not a cheater. 

 

League warns Seattle that every time Marshawn Lynch grabs his dick its a 15 yard penalty. 

 

I'd say the lead up to the Super Bowl couldn't possibly be going any worse but these two teams have another week. The NFL would hit the reset button right now if it could. 

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Remember the SI article in December when Tom wanted SI to know every aspect of his life was planned months in advance. Every meal. Every workout. Sleep. Cognitive brain excersizes. Everything. And that excessive attention to every last detail was going to help him play 10 more years. 

 

But he has no idea how 11 of those 12 footballs he hand picked were under-inflated In a championship game. 

 

Sorry if I think he's completely full of ****. 

 

 

 

 

I guess there's two ways of looking at this. 

 

Goodell has carefully managed to weave subplots and story lines into one of the most media covered Superbowl weeks of all time leading to record ratings and he's a ****ing genius. 

 

Or he's completely lost control of everything and all of us are watching his one man Multi Billion dollar car crash play out over 15 days and no one can look away. 

 

Either way. everyone involved in the ratings game is winning huge this week. 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

If Brady did what it looks like he did. And he did it on his own. How do you tell Marshawn he's getting tossed over a pair of shoes in the NFC Championship game and turn around and give Brady a hall pass when you know what he did. Assuming again he did what it looks like he did. 

^^^ This ^^^

 

 

But no, it's not gonna happen.

Don't think so, boss. IMO Belichick wants more NFL titles than Vince to cement a claim as best coach ever.

 

Brady wants to keep playing too. In that regard not unlike his boyhood hero Joe Montana. If it is with another team, so be it. His recent contract restructure makes it easier for both he and the Patriots to cut ties, if it comes to that.

 

NYT Magazine is out with Brady profile. Excerpts, below:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02...ady-cannot-stop.html

Brady’s short-term goal, obviously, is to beat the Seattle Seahawks in the Super Bowl. His broader game plan involves becoming a kind of lifestyle pioneer in redefining how long a 37-year-old veteran can hold off his twilight. In effect, Brady is bent on nothing less than subverting the standard expectations of how long a superstar quarterback can play like one.

...there is virtually no precedent for 40-something star quarterbacks. If Brady can perform at a high level until 43 or 44, would he regard that as history-­making? “I think so, I think so,” he said in a way that made it clear he had thought a lot about this already.

...“I just know that I’m sitting here at age 37 and I feel perfect at the end of 16 games,” Brady told me. “My arm doesn’t hurt, my legs don’t hurt. My teammates, they’re hurting.”

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Here's a .

 

 

I'm sorta surprised it took them this long to decide on the ballboy as the patsy.  Maybe the poor bastard was negotiating his payoff for falling on the grenade.  Of course, he could rat out the real culprits but then he'd be found in the trunk of Rog's car a few days later.

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Originally Posted by BufordT:

A co-worker of mine had an interesting theory this morning. He thinks the Patriots used warm/hot air to inflate the balls to present for inspection. That way, they'd be properly inflated for the inspection and gradually deflate as they cooled.

That was my first thought.

PV=nRT

P(ressure in pascals)x V(olume in m^3)=n(amount in moles)xR(gas constant)XT(emperature in Kelvins)

Ideal gas law says a 10% increase in temperature = 10% increase in pressure.

I'm sure the genius could compensate for the slight increase in volume without doing any experiments.

 

That's only about 90šF warmer than your end temperature. In the summer it might be kind of a hard sell but in the winter?

32¹F=0¹C≈273K. We use 300K as room temperature.

Keep them in a hot box until the ref measures them, then keep refrigerated until serving.

 

and perhaps most importantly- No violation. I haven't heard of any restrictions on the temperature of the gas you fill them with.

 

 

 

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From presser, ongoing:

@RapSheet: Robert Kraft said the league should apologize to his team if it’s proven that his team had no wrongdoing. Wow.

 

@AaronNagler: Power move by Kraft to make a statement and take no questions.

**** this guy.

 

And the bootlicking continues:

@SI_PeterKing: How great was that by Kraft?

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Common strategies of liars and cheats:

 

1.  Minimize the lie - it didn't matter anyway, we beat them 45-7 (as long as you believe it only happened once).

 

2. Deny the obvious facts - 11/12 balls deflated - coincidence. It must have been the weather.

 

3.  Claim foul and an insult to your honor.  Then to put the other side on the defense, demand an apology.  How dare you NFL, before you go any further beware, you'll owe us an apology if you can't get ball-handler to fess-up. 

 

 

Updated post by the sharp fooball guys from 1-26 with a new visualisation

 

click for bigger image

 

Once again, a key takeaway is deadly obvious:  prior to 2007 the Patriots were RIGHT IN LINE with the league averages across the other non-dome teams.  When you look team by team, they literally are in the middle of the pack for most seasons, as the histogram in the very first graphic at the top of this article shows.  But starting in 2007, all similarities totally vanish.

 

The statistical “jump” the Patriots make in the 2006 offseason, from one fumble every 39 plays to one fumble every 76 plays is nothing short of remarkable.  Their trendline over this period is not even close to that of the rest of the NFL.

 

The 2013 season is an oddity in that the Patriots were actually slightly worse than the rest of the NFL.  Looking at that season, its apparent the reason:  of the Patriots 23 fumbles that season, 6 (over 25%) occurred in a Sunday night game vs the Broncos played in 22 degree weather, with 22 mph winds and a wind chill of 6 degrees.  Cold conditions of this nature absolutely cause more fumbles than usual.  They fumbled a TOTAL of 5 times in 11 of their 16 games in 2013 (69% of their total games), so it truly was this week 12 “antarctic” game (and a week 17 game vs the Bills which saw 4 fumbles) which really put the Patriots fumble rates for 2013 out of sync.  This is exactly why looking at small sample sets, such as single seasons, is not the preferred manner to investigate this analysis. continue

No matter how the league decides their punishment I think Brady and Belichick are going to have a difficult time getting in the Hall of Fame for a long time. 

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I didn't really think that the ball pressure could be that big of an advantage, but it's hard to argue with statistical analysis as telling as that.

 

I find it most interesting that both patriot gates overlap in 2007 and they go 16-0 that year. 

 

Between spygate and deflate-gate the question becomes are there any years that the Belichick Patriots didn't cheat? 

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Good point Dr. Bob.

So first we hear that some ball boy was responsible.

Next we hear it's some locker room attendant who took the footballs into the crapper.

Now we hear that they submitted the footballs to the refs underinflated and the refs didn't catch it.

Which one is it?  Classic case of throwing crap against a wall and hoping something sticks.

As of last Sunday night, I was hoping the Patriots would annihilate the Seahawks (particularly, Russell Wilson's wounded duck prayer heaves getting returned for a TD or two). Now, I'm at the point of not caring at all who wins. Give Kraft, Brady and Belichick a few more days to dig themselves in even deeper, and I'll be hoping to see that obnoxious team from Seattle win.

Very good TMQ on the Patriots' win and what got it for them: their defense.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...-morning-quarterback

For the second consecutive year, a dominant, smothering defense prevailed in the Super Bowl, proving that in this era of quick-snap scoreboard-spinning tactics, defense still trumps offense.

Last year, it was the Seattle Seahawks' defense. This year, the New England Patriots' defense. Tom Brady's exploits and records inevitably draw the headlines. Defense is what brought the Patriots their latest Lombardi.

TMQ's Law of Comebacks holds: Defense starts comebacks, offense stops them. This diktat was on display in the Patriots' Super Bowl comeback.

Not only did New England's defense seal the deal by stopping Seattle at the goal line with 20 seconds remaining, but it also started the comeback. From the point at which Seattle took a two-score lead late in the third quarter, its possession results were: punt, punt, punt, interception. Two of the final four Seattle possession were three-and-outs.

From the juncture of that Seattle two-score lead, for the remainder of the contest New England's defense allowed just four first downs. Just four first downs against the league's No. 1 rushing attack, a team that excels at moving the chains. Defense starts comebacks, offense stops them. Had the defending champions done anything that all on the three punt possessions before their final last-minute charge, the Patriots' comeback would have been deflated. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Not only did New England's defense win the Super Bowl but it also got the Patriots to the Super Bowl. New England had to stage a divisional-round comeback versus Baltimore. Patriots down 28-14 early in the second half, the defense allowed just three points for the reminder of that contest. At the championship round, New England won easily: but the 45 points scored were less important than the mere seven points allowed to Indianapolis, a high-scoring team.

In fact the most important stat of the 2014 NFL season may be this one, regarding New England's defense: The Patriots did not allow a fourth-quarter touchdown in their final nine games. Teams that don't let opponents score in the fourth quarter are teams that win trophies.

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