Are they OK for short term use?
I'm not an expert but my opinion is yes. A couple weeks while you recover from an injury. Sure. Several months as a treatment for chronic back pain. Last resort.
Add in all the acetaminophen destroying the hell out of your liver.
If your washing down acetaminophen with Tito's is the Vodka or the acetaminophen considered the "accelerant" in regards to liver damage?
Asking for a freind.
I root for Jolly too, hope this is just a misunderstanding.
ChilliJon posted:If your washing down acetaminophen with Tito's is the Vodka or the acetaminophen considered the "accelerant" in regards to liver damage?
Asking for a freind.
I have it on good authority that if shoot the vodka up you ass with a funnel, it bypasses the liver and you're in the clear.
Plus, now you can save a few bucks by downgrading to Popov.
So short term use is OK if you have some sort of pain or injury.
GBFanForLife posted:So short term use is OK if you have some sort of pain or injury.
As with pretty much everything in life, moderation. If you have to take it for a longer period just make sure you take it as directed. That's the problem most people have, taking it as directed.
The best deterrent: "Hey! I got these opiods! I should probably be careful or otherwise I'll be sucking dicks in a alley for a buck a blow".
The government shouldn't be in the business of trying to kill people by liver damage in an attempt to prevent them from getting an unapproved high.
Jolly will always be who he is.
I think he's likely a good guy who wants to stay out of trouble, but just can't .
At least he doesn't have to worry about ol' Rog.....
I want to know why was he stopped? Was he driving impaired, stopped "just because"? I hope he stays out of trouble, but opiods can be so difficult. I've been on some of the strongest for pain for short periods of time after surgery, and am lucky they didn't take hold... good luck to Jolly.
What she said. I've had to deal with opiods before, in fact very recently, and it's not hard to see what a cliff you can fall off in a hurry. You should be concerned if you deal with opiods. That concern may be the one thing that keeps you falling off the cliff. Jolly obviously fell off that cliff awhile ago.
Exactly what Henry said and JI Joe before him. "That's knowing and knowing is half the battle. "
In all seriousness, being cognizant of the possible pitfalls and the watching for the warning signs would be my guess at the biggest factor for avoiding problems
I'm fully prepared to listen to the argument that legalized marijuana might be the best way to reverse the national opioid epidemic . The few studies that have been done show it's worthy of consideration.
I agree with the basic premise, C'Jon, but shudder at the thought of government regulation, controlled distribution and delivery, and other factors that will make it cost-prohibitive to those who actually need it . And likely create another black market, and all of a sudden 20 years later, we're right back where we started from.
I wouldn't let the government anywhere near it. Other than tax it along the lines of tobacco and alcohol. Let people self medicate via licensed dispensaries. Then watch what happens to the healthcare system.
We need the equivalent of the internet for weed.
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Fedya posted:Henry posted:We need the equivalent of the internet for weed.
That's what Silk Road was for, but a**hole Preet Bharara went after them, aided by government shenanigans.
It was meant to be metaphorical. I know all about Silk Road, which also trafficked in some really ****ed up stuff.
Including people. **** silk road
ChilliJon posted:I'm fully prepared to listen to the argument that legalized marijuana might be the best way to reverse the national opioid epidemic . The few studies that have been done show it's worthy of consideration.
I've tried it for pain management, destroyed my ankle and foot about a year ago. It works, the problem is you get high too. I've tried the CBD extract (Cannabinoids like they are talking about in Ballers) in edibles, gummies. Same thing but not as severe. The gummies still had some thc in them. Not sure if they can produce it with 0 thc or not.
Its not something I'd want to be on while in a office meeting. A loratab or whatever opiat doesn't do this to me.
If I ever had to go through chemo again, I'd probably try weed. The nausea was terrible and no conventional meds helped. The few times I've done it before it just didn't affect me much. Opiods aren't without side effects either, and that's not including the possibility for addiction. I can see weed for medical purposes, and agree that it can provide some relief. As for rec use, I did work for a time at a high school for kids who were trying to stay clean and 99.9% them said they started with weed before progressing to stronger stuff (every other drug imaginable). Those who did a lot of weed were so unmotivated to do anything that it was painful watching smart kids waste their talent/lives. Tough situations all the way around...
BrainDed posted:ChilliJon posted:I'm fully prepared to listen to the argument that legalized marijuana might be the best way to reverse the national opioid epidemic . The few studies that have been done show it's worthy of consideration.
I've tried it for pain management, destroyed my ankle and foot about a year ago. It works, the problem is you get high too. I've tried the CBD extract (Cannabinoids like they are talking about in Ballers) in edibles, gummies. Same thing but not as severe. The gummies still had some thc in them. Not sure if they can produce it with 0 thc or not.
Its not something I'd want to be on while in a office meeting. A loratab or whatever opiat doesn't do this to me.
Yeah, that's the conundrum. I had tried all the nerve blockers, which is just garbage and not to mention can really screw with your head. Opiates definitely work for pain and after awhile you don't get the buzz, which is why people end up taking more than they need and get hooked. But opiates definitely let you operate at a normal level.
Biggest thing with opiates is you better be using them so you can rehab. Some people let the opiates put them in neutral so they can keep getting opiates. Some people don't have a fix so opiates are the only thing that works for them. My father fell into this category after bout with cancer where the surgery just destroyed the nerves in his lower back. He didn't die of cancer, he died of organ failure as he was definitely hooked after 20 years of the stuff.
I've know more than a few people who almost need weed to operate. I am not one the them. I'm out after an hour. You're just wasting weed by giving it to me. That's why it was never really an option for pain. I think it works for people who are really at last resort and being stoned is better than endless pain.
PRP and stem cells baby! Next step. Look it up for all you peeps with chronic joint, spine, cartilage and connective tissue issues. Let your body heal itself.
As far as Jolly, he wasn't using opiates for pain when he got hooked. Purple drank, which I'm sure has way more opiates. I'm guessing it's getting close to just shooting up heroin in the first place.