The Trade for John Hadl

Tha Hadl trade was worse because at least Walker could still play (Jerry Burns tantrum aside). The Cowboys simply did more/better with the picks than the Rams did.

Love the pic of Starr next to Hadl. That image completely sums up being a Packer fan in the 70s and 80s (well, maybe throw in Forrest Gregg twitching on the sideline and then the image would be complete).

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Originally posted by mikestaple:
Love the pic of Starr next to Hadl. That image completely sums up being a Packer fan in the 70s and 80s (well, maybe throw in Forrest Gregg twitching on the sideline and then the image would be complete).

Any image also needs to include Rich Campbell.

Put Dan Devine in that picture and a whole lot of us old guys would start twitching....

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Originally posted by MichiganPacker:
Any image also needs to include Rich Campbell.

I would replace him with Randy Wright. Despite Campbell ultimately proving to be worthless, they still had Dickey and we had the illusion that Campbell may be something. When Wright was the QB, we knew he wasn't going to amount to anything and the situation was basically hopeless.

Rams used the picks from GB to nab: Mike Fanning, DT (eight solid seasons), and then to shore up their secondary for many years: Monte Jackson, Pat Thomas and Nolan Cromwell (Cromwell drafted using a GB pick as part of a trade).

Ouch. That hurt.

But not as bad as the whoopin' the Queens got. That is still the worst trade ever, IMO, because it ultimately propelled the Cowboys to the ring and the Queens back to the dump. Our Hadl trade helped the Rams more than us, but ended up in mediocrity for both and a ring for neither.

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Originally posted by chickenboy:

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Originally posted by MichiganPacker:
Any image also needs to include Rich Campbell.

I would replace him with Randy Wright. Despite Campbell ultimately proving to be worthless, they still had Dickey and we had the illusion that Campbell may be something. When Wright was the QB, we knew he wasn't going to amount to anything and the situation was basically hopeless.

Other than Dickey, it's hard to appreciate how bad the QBs we had were between 1971-1988. Dickey played 106 games (about 7 full years worth of games). The other two thirds of the time, we had guys like this:

Jerry Tagge
Scott Hunter
David Whitehurst
John Hadl
Jim Del Gaizo
Randy Wright

I just did a quick calculation. In the games they played for Green Bay, these 6 guys had 82 TDS and 200 interceptions. 200! I realize it was a different type of passing game, but that's still unbelievable.

Don't forget about the cameo appearances by veteran back-up QBs thrust into starting roles: Vince Ferragamo and Jim Zorn...

cmoun, David Whitehurst gave us one season of intrigue and a sniff at possible success.

If I recall correctly a gent named Brian Dowling also played qb for a short while after Dickey broke his leg on the last play of a game.

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Originally posted by Fandame:
Rams used the picks from GB to nab: Mike Fanning, DT (eight solid seasons), and then to shore up their secondary for many years: Monte Jackson, Pat Thomas and Nolan Cromwell (Cromwell drafted using a GB pick as part of a trade).

Ouch. That hurt.

But not as bad as the whoopin' the Queens got. That is still the worst trade ever, IMO, because it ultimately propelled the Cowboys to the ring and the Queens back to the dump. Our Hadl trade helped the Rams more than us, but ended up in mediocrity for both and a ring for neither.

The Rams made it to the Super Bowl after the 1979 season with three defensive starters from those picks (Fanning, Thomas, and Cromwell). Not a ring, but I've have been ecstatic to watch the Packers play in a Super Bowl at that point.

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Originally posted by MichiganPacker:

Jerry Tagge
Scott Hunter
David Whitehurst
John Hadl
Jim Del Gaizo
Randy Wright

Carlos Brown
Randy Johnson

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If I recall correctly a gent named Brian Dowling also played qb for a short while after Dickey broke his leg on the last play of a game.

And Dowling had the unique distinction of becoming a character in the 'Doonesbury' strip at about this time.

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Originally posted by MichiganPacker:

Jerry Tagge
Scott Hunter
David Whitehurst
John Hadl
Jim Del Gaizo
Randy Wright


Carlos Brown
Randy Johnson

Also looked at in this time frame: Dean Carlson, Jack Concannon, Charlie Napper, Frank Patrick.

OMG I somehow managed to forget about this trade and it makes me appreciate the last 20 years so much more after having lived through dark ages of the Packers in the 70's and 80's.

How could anyone forget the Lawerence Welk trade. Ah one and ah two and ah one two three.

It was famously called the "Lawrence Welk trade"....

A one anna two anna one anna two......

Jinx by four minutes!

The Jim Del Gaizo trade wasn't as infamous as the Hadl heist but was an example of how inept the Packers front office people were then. The Dolphins openly talked about showcasing Del Gaizo during the pre-season and the Packers swallowed it all the way up to the rod tip.

No one could stop Dan Devine from making the Hadl trade because he was the coach and GM. When it tanked he landed on his feet in South Bend.

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Originally posted by Blair Kiel:


Jinx by four minutes!

Should have posted first, then gone to the kitchen for the beer.

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Originally posted by Va. Packer:
The Jim Del Gaizo trade wasn't as infamous as the Hadl heist but was an example of how inept the Packers front office people were then.

Man, I remember how pumped we were for Del Gaizo----a lefty with a rocket arm who had a couple of good pre-season games---he was the next Bart Starr!

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Should have posted first, then gone to the kitchen for the beer.

Should have had the wife get the beer for him.

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Originally posted by Blair Kiel:


Jinx by four minutes!

Hey, I didn't make the X4 Stats list for the last 2 months because I'm slow.

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Man, I remember how pumped we were for Del Gaizo----a lefty with a rocket arm who had a couple of good pre-season games---he was the next Bart Starr!

He did do one thing Starr -- and a lot of QBs since -- have never done. Completed three passes in a row without getting a first down.

This is from Wikipedia, but it shows the list of starting QBs for the Packers between the last year Starr was a starter (1971) and when Favre took over (1992).

1972 Scott Hunter (14) [52]
1973 Jerry Tagge (6) / Scott Hunter (5) / Jim Del Gaizo (3) [53]
1974 John Hadl (6) / Jerry Tagge (6) / Jack Concannon (2) [54]
1975 John Hadl (13) / Don Milan (1) [55]
1976 Lynn Dickey (10) / Carlos Brown (3) / Randy Johnson (1) [56]
1977 Lynn Dickey (9) / David Whitehurst (5) [57]
1978 David Whitehurst (16) [58]
1979 David Whitehurst (13) / Lynn Dickey (3) [59]
1980 Lynn Dickey (16) [60]
1981 Lynn Dickey (13) / David Whitehurst (3) [61]
1982 Lynn Dickey (9) [62]
1983 Lynn Dickey (16) [63]
1984 Lynn Dickey (15) / Randy Wright (1) [64]
1985 Lynn Dickey (10) / Jim Zorn (5) / Randy Wright (1) [65]
1986 Randy Wright (16) [66]
1987 Randy Wright (7) / Don Majkowski (5) / Alan Risher (3) [67]
1988 Don Majkowski (9)/ Randy Wright (7) [68]
1989 Don Majkowski (16) [69]
1990 Don Majkowski (8) / Anthony Dilweg (7) / Blair Kiel (1) [70]
1991 Don Majkowski (8) / Mike Tomczak (7) / Blair Kiel (1)

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Originally posted by Fountainfox:
He did do one thing Starr -- and a lot of QBs since -- have never done. Completed three passes in a row without getting a first down.

Really? In the era of the "dink and dunk" this has had to have happened before...

Well, that was a memory trip down a rocky path. So many QBs, so easily forgotten -- except by some on X4.

What's head-scratching is that Dickey wasn't a bad QB and neither was Majik. They were surrounded by rotten teams, and they just weren't good enough to elevate what was around them. If they had been surrounded by better players, we might have had more success during those two decades. Not sayin' SB, but it wouldn't have been so painful to watch. (And yes, I did watch all the way through. My heart bled green-and-gold every Sunday, but during those years it hemorrhaged.)

Those are mostly Hall Of Famers compared to the Bears list.

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Originally posted by Fandame:
Well, that was a memory trip down a rocky path. So many QBs, so easily forgotten -- except by some on X4.

What's head-scratching is that Dickey wasn't a bad QB and neither was Majik. They were surrounded by rotten teams, and they just weren't good enough to elevate what was around them. If they had been surrounded by better players, we might have had more success during those two decades. Not sayin' SB, but it wouldn't have been so painful to watch. (And yes, I did watch all the way through. My heart bled green-and-gold every Sunday, but during those years it hemorrhaged.)

I watched every minute of every game starting when I was about 6 years old. Lynn Dickey would have thrived in today's NFL. Back then, defenders could almost decapitate the QB and not get a flag. After he broke his leg, Dickey was very gunshy in the pocket. However, he wasn't any less mobile than Peyton Manning and he threw a very pretty deep ball. I think Phillip Rivers would actually be a good comparison. He and James Lofton (who I think is still the best receiver the Packers have had in the modern era - in other words, besides Don Hutson) were an exciting combo to watch.

If Dickeys team had a defense back then, they would been pretty good but those defenses were just horrible. And they drafted a lot of high draft choices back in those days. Mike Butler, Ezra Johnson, Tim Lewis, Tim Harris, John Anderson, Alfonso Carreker, Mark Lee but for some reason they pretty much always sucked. I can't remember who was the main defensive coordinator back then but do remember they were constantly changing coaches, schemes. the offense tho was awesome.