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Here's another one today. Basically, saying that ownership went cheap because they didn't want to pay Brogdon. And that they chose poorly by paying Bledsoe about 75% of what they paid Brogdon. 

https://www.theringer.com/nba/...bucks-indiana-pacers

Brogdon was a good player, but I don't think he was the piece to get them over the top - he didn't last year against the Raptors. In the 4 games in a row that they lost, he was 7-22 from 3 and 21 for 51 from the floor despite getting a lot of wide open looks. 

More importantly, he was hurt for large stretches of both of the last two years. 

Now Brogdon has played well for Indiana, but he's typical of a very good player that is now playing on a mediocre team that just gets more shots and handles the ball more. For all the buzz about how he is playing at an all-star level, here's some key differences (and a comparison to Bledsoe). 

Last year he shot 43% from the 3 point line, this year he is shooting 31%. Bledsoe is shooting 30% this year. 

Last year he shot 51% from the floor, this year he is shooting 46%. Bledsoe is at 47%. 

His assist numbers are way up, and his assist to turnover ratio has only gone up from 2.3 last year to 2.8 this year. Bledsoe was at 2.6 last year and 2.3 this year.   Basically, they are equivalent in a point guard role. AND Bledsoe was first team all-defense last year and isn't injury prone. Brogdon has already missed 3 games this year for a back injury (which is a bigger long-term concern than a freak injury like Middleton getting kicked in the thigh). 

It seems to me the national media wants to find something to drive Giannis out of a small market and they seized on this. Because ownership didn't want to overpay Brogdon, that means they won't do what's necessary to win? 

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He’s just parroting Bill Simmons, his boss. Brogdon wanted out, as is evidenced by his desire to go to the place he wanted to go out of the draft (if you buy that line). 

Giannis is about to double his $$$ and they couldn’t afford $25M/yr. 

You combine that with a legitimate injury history and a not so secret “we might need to add another scorer at the deadline next year” line of thought and Brogdon at $25M was not reasonable with considerable risk involved. 

It was the right move. 

Music City posted:

He’s just parroting Bill Simmons, his boss. Brogdon wanted out, as is evidenced by his desire to go to the place he wanted to go out of the draft (if you buy that line). 

Giannis is about to double his $$$ and they couldn’t afford $25M/yr. 

You combine that with a legitimate injury history and a not so secret “we might need to add another scorer at the deadline next year” line of thought and Brogdon at $25M was not reasonable with considerable risk involved. 

It was the right move. 

I agree. Another 3 and D wing guy that can guard the 3/4 position is what they need for depth. They have 5 guys that can cover what Brogdon could do alongside Bledsoe. I guess it's whether you think it's worth it to pay one guy (Brogdon) 20 million to cover that or pay 5 guys that each do about 80% of what Brogdon did about 20 million total to cover it. The latter is a lot less risky given Brogdon's injury history.

What they need is another guy like that to keep Giannis out of foul trouble as much as possible guarding 3s and 4s.

They literally have a set of clones to cover post defense. Ersan can contribute there as well. 

They have a large number of guys that can guard 1s and 2s on the perimeter. Bledsoe is top 5 in the league on the ball. Wes Matthews is a lock down wing defender. George Hill is as well. Donte, Sterling Brown, and Connaughton are all plus defenders. They are loaded in the backcourt. Brogdon wouldn't be that much of an upgrade over this group. Korver is there for offense, but not sure how playable he is in a playoff series given his defense. 

To guard stretch bigger stretch 3s and 4s, they have Giannis who may the top guy in the league and Middleton who is also a very good defensive player. The guy behind them is DJ Wilson. If they think he can develop on offense he can probably be that guy. If not, they need another guy to spell Giannis and Middleton and guard this type of guy for 10-15 minutes and not get overrun (Jayson Tatum, Siakum, Paul George).  I've seen Jae Crowder linked to them. If you gave up DJ Wilson and a draft pick that might be enough to get him. 

Thst backcourt depth isn’t permanent though. Looking at next year, they’re going to lose Brown and Connaughton, who will both be expecting raises after their deals expire after this season. The Bucks cannot afford your keep both, possible either. That’s why you’re seeing Divincenzo getting the priority- they need him up to speed next year because he’s all that might be left. 

They don’t have the contracts to get a prime starter. A guy like Hield would be great- but not as a rental. You’d have to extend him to make any deal worth it, and the Bucks don’t have the cap space to Max him and would be unwise to keep giving away picks every year. 

The Bucks are burning about $7M in cap space on Spencer Hawes, Larry Sanders, and Jon Leuer, and that goes through 2021/22, the year Giannis’ extension kicks in. They’ll be in the luxury tax that year, then get some relief the following season. Unfortunately Korver and Matthews don’t represent much savings to go get anyone to replace them. 

The Bucks are paying dearly now for the Snell and Henson deals...

Hot take....

Bogdonovich would be fun in Milwaukee depending what they need to give up.

I should write for theringer. Golden State is positioning themselves to sign Giannis by tanking this season. 

Boris posted:

Hot take....

Bogdonovich would be fun in Milwaukee depending what they need to give up.

I should write for theringer. Golden State is positioning themselves to sign Giannis by tanking this season. 

The NBA would love Giannis in Golden State. A brand new expensive arena in the region with the most millionaires and billionaires in the United States. They need that team to be good. The aging trio of Steph, Klay, and Draymond fighting for the 7th or 8th seed in the West is not in the league's best interest. Other than getting Dolan to sell the Knicks, this is the NBAs biggest priority now that LA is set  up with superstars on both teams. 

Music City posted:

Thst backcourt depth isn’t permanent though. Looking at next year, they’re going to lose Brown and Connaughton, who will both be expecting raises after their deals expire after this season. The Bucks cannot afford your keep both, possible either. That’s why you’re seeing Divincenzo getting the priority- they need him up to speed next year because he’s all that might be left. 

They don’t have the contracts to get a prime starter. A guy like Hield would be great- but not as a rental. You’d have to extend him to make any deal worth it, and the Bucks don’t have the cap space to Max him and would be unwise to keep giving away picks every year. 

The Bucks are burning about $7M in cap space on Spencer Hawes, Larry Sanders, and Jon Leuer, and that goes through 2021/22, the year Giannis’ extension kicks in. They’ll be in the luxury tax that year, then get some relief the following season. Unfortunately Korver and Matthews don’t represent much savings to go get anyone to replace them. 

The Bucks are paying dearly now for the Snell and Henson deals...

In the end, the only thing that really matters is  whether Giannis signs the supermax. If he does, they'll probably get additional depth every year from the ring chasers at the end of their careers willing to play for the MLE or the minimum (like Matthews, Korver, and R. Lopez this year). You are also much more willing to trade your picks because as long as Giannis plays here, you won't be picking above about 26 anyway. 

If Giannis doesn't sign the extension, the Bucks become the Cavs or Pistons (and I stop watching the NBA forever). That's the dilemma. If you trade away your picks in 2022 or 2023 to get a guy like Hield, and Giannis leaves, then you might be giving up a high lottery pick. 

Giannis personality-wise has already indicated he’s not about the big city. I think he likes Milwaukee because he can live in peace. If he relocated to the Bay Area, or LA, or NY, suddenly he’s under the spotlight. I don’t think he values this. 

He's in (relative) anonymity, and don’t forget Rodgers is a part owner- he’s been in WI for 15 years and swears by it. One of the most recognizable starts in American sports will most certainly want his investment in the team to grow. Giannis has to stay for that to happen... and I 100% believe it will. 

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