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Watching the games today, I am seeing a few things the Packers do not do, or do infrequently, and I'm wondering if it's due to our scheme, or the players on the field.

 

The Seahawks frustrated the Saints offense all day, especially their receivers, because they are so physical off the snap. Instead of having their cornerbacks lining up 5-10 yards off the line of scrimmage, and the receiver, they come up and jam the receivers right off the snap. Yet every time I look at the Packers on defense, we are lined up way off the ball. Receivers are allowed to run pretty much uninterrupted, and if there's any kind of miscommunication in our secondary, by the time the receiver gets the ball, they are at full speed and can take off down field. And we know our safeties and linebackers aren't going to chase them down. Are our cornerbacks not physical enough to do this? Is this something inherent with the version of the 3-4 we run?

 

Wouldn't it make sense for us to play up on the receivers, and bump off the snap? Anything we could do to slow up a receiver's route is that much more time the front seven have to get pressure on the quarterback. It also throws off the timing of the quarterback. They're expecting a receiver to be at a particular spot, and I'd think they are better able to go through their progressions because they know where their first or second option will be on the field if they cannot find another receiver open. 

 

Another thing I am seeing comes from the Patriots-Colts game. Even though the Patriots have lost Gronkowski and Hernandez, as well as Welker, they still run the short passing game as well as any team in the NFL. Why? Because Brady is such an incredibly accurate passer. They clearly have a better offensive line then we do, but if a line is not able to protect long enough for intermediate and long pass routes to develop, wouldn't it make sense to take advantage of the short passing game more? 

 

Aaron Rodgers is one of the most accurate passers to ever play the game. Our receivers, specifically Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb and Jarrett Boykin, have incredible hands. If we're being blitzed, why not call some of those fast developing, short yardage plays? Slow down the opposing team's blitzes by burning them with quick strikes. Use the middle of the field. Take advantage of our receiver's speed with some crossing patterns. The likelihood of them breaking a long pass is pretty high. It seems that Mike McCarthy doesn't call these as often as some other teams with similar talent. 

 

Am I alone in wondering why we don't do either of these things more? 

 

 

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Tom Brady is 6'4". Aaron Rodgers is 6'2". Two inches makes it that much more difficult for Rodgers to see down field?

 

Funny, I've heard that Aaron Rodgers has one of the quickest releases in the NFL, from guys on TV that would know, like Ron Jaworski, Steve Young, etc. 

 

As for the speed at linebacker, not meaning to argue, tim, as I agree that we need a lot more speed there. My main question is why the corner backs aren't at all physical with receivers at the line. They're allowed to bump for the first, what, five yards? I don't see us doing that, and I'm curious as to why. 

Do you want to have a team that points to the past, Jon? I don't. I was as happy as anybody when we won it all in 2010/11. But I know, too, that a team that won the Super Bowl as recently as three years ago shouldn't be going one and out in the playoffs in subsequent years.

 

We have the best quarterback in the football. If my life depended on winning a game, I'd take Aaron Rodgers over Brady, Brees, or the Big Giant Head any day of the week. 

 

We have an absolute beast rookie running back in Lacy, a kick ass backup halfback in Starks, and another in Franklin that, if he can get healthy, gives us the exact same rotational talent, if not better, than the Patriots have right now.

 

We have one of the truly elite wide receivers in the NFL in Nelson. I think he's one of the top five in the NFL at his position. We have another rising star in Cobb, who can do anything-go deep, line up in the slot, or in the wild cat. And we have a guy in Boykin who catches seemingly everything that's thrown at him. And despite the sentiment expressed from some after this last game, I still think that James Jones is a very good receiver. 

 

Bakhtiari showed me something this season as a rookie. Provided he stays healthy, I think he's going to be a real good one. We have an elite guard in Josh Sitton, and he's not going anywhere soon. 

 

Our offense doesn't need a lot. It really doesn't. We need a few of our offensive linemen to step up, and stay healthy. I could see us using another second round pick looking for another guard, or a center. Protect Aaron Rodgers more, open up more holes for our outstanding running game...and suddenly we have an offense that is as good as any Green Bay has had since 1992 when Brett Favre came to Green Bay.

 

The defense is where we need to step up. We really need help at inside linebacker and safety. If we can fix those holes, we're not having to point back to 2010. We're looking at the future again with great optimism. 

"But I know, too, that a team that won the Super Bowl as recently as three years ago shouldn't be going one and out in the playoffs in subsequent years"

You mean like the Giants and Ravens??? Did the Giants even make the playoffs last year???

I'm ok looking to the past because I'm optimistic about the near future. TT and MM are smart competitive guys. They're not doing this to kill time. GB will be fine.

Seriously with this thread?

 

Hey, it didn't work out this year. It sucks. I really thought we were going to beat the Niners this year. It didn't happen & now we get to hear Harbaugh talk about how "clutch" his boy is

 

Look in the archive during the 2010 season. Lots of excellent nuggets in there. That's all I'll say.

Asking why we aren't more physical with opposing receivers off the snap is a perfectly legitimate question. If you don't think we need to do it, tell me why, Boris. I respect your football knowledge. 

 

Jon, I'm optimistic, too, but if it weren't for Joe Webb and his awful 11 for 30 start for the Vikings last year in the playoffs, we'd very likely be looking at one and done in each of the last three years. With the talent we have, I, like many Packer fans, are wondering what we could be doing better, or differently. That's what a forum is for, isn't it?

 

I know that even being in the playoffs the last three years is a feat in and of itself. A lot of the teams in the NFL, in fact most, can't even say that. And I know winning the Super Bowl is hard (and staying on top is even more difficult), and ever year there are 31 other teams that fall short. It just seems that with the lack of playoff success over the last three seasons, the Packers might consider doing some things differently. Nothing we say here is going to be earth-shattering. Ted Thompson's not going to log on to Times Four, and find some incredible revelation here. We're just talking, and I'm wondering out loud why some of the things I see other playoff teams doing aren't being done by our team.

 

Maybe Uncle Ted surprises us all. He's certainly smart enough to see if some things need to be changed, and he's savvy enough to do it. 

 

 

 

Last edited by lambeausouth
Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

Things Packers have done more recently than other playoff teams

 

 

 

re post...just because.

 

We had a rough year with injuries and got beat by the ers on a last second FG.   Not a team in the playoffs we could not beat.   NFL is made for this ****.   Salary cap NFL parity.   Everyone every year has a shot.   Why most popular sporting event in this country.   When ers and hags have to pay 20mil for their QBs and some of other star young players things will be way different for them.

Seattle is reliant on refs that allow them to carry press beyond 5 yards, which they do a lot. Same with SF. They get into trouble with refs that call things closely. Which is what makes watching Harbaugh /Carroll bitch out refs for things they encourage so enjoyable when they face each other. 

 

No disagreement though that the talent gap in the middle of the field on D between GB and SF/Seattle is one Ted has to close. 

Of the teams left in the NFC the Panthers and Niners might have the best front 7s in all of football.  The Seahawks probably have the best starting secondary in all of football and their DL and LBs are very underrated.

Now take a look at the teams that are sitting at home in the NFC.  Green Bay and New Orleans and Philly are mediocre at best on D.  Schemes have little to do with it.  Get better talent that's the answer

The thing that struck me watching the Colts last night was how much they looked/played like the Packers. Weak O-line play, and defensive front 7 couldn't stop anything/anybody. Although ARod didn't play anywhere near as bad as Luck did, the rest of the team was amazingly similar.

 

I'll ditto the comments about our short passing game. I'll agree if Rodgers sees a matchup that is favorable for a longer route, he has to go for it, but when our guys are whiffing or getting pushed back into the pocket, a quick, short pattern is in order.

I firmly believe short passes will set up the longer routes eventually. At the worst, it should require opposing defenses to make adjustments which may open up other favorable plays.

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

Seattle is reliant on refs that allow them to carry press beyond 5 yards, which they do a lot. Same with SF. They get into trouble with refs that call things closely. Which is what makes watching Harbaugh /Carroll bitch out refs for things they encourage so enjoyable when they face each other. 

 

I noticed this as soon as I turned on the game, Jon. And, of course, as soon as one of the Saints receivers pushed off because they got sick of the BS bumping, the refs called them for it. 

Panthers and Niners D looked like mirror images of each other in that first half.  Always physical to the ball carrier, always in their faces.

 

The short passes only work with certain looks.  Opposing D's have often locked those short passes out when they blitz because well, if anyone posting on this board can figure it out, I'm pretty sure an NFL DC can too.  Even Dom. 

 

We have all the talent needed on offense to dominate but it is a problem that we keep having difficulties scoring 7 in the red zone.  I remember not too long ago we were top 5 in that category.

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Good article from last week on Seattle's key to success - mauling WRs on every play. The gist is that they hold or interfere all game long knowing that the stripes aren't going to flag every infraction. Even leading the league in PI calls only added up to 13 on the year. Any team would gladly take that tradeoff.

 

That said, there is still significantly more talent on that defense.

Originally Posted by IL_Pack_Fan:

Good article from last week on Seattle's key to success - mauling WRs on every play. The gist is that they hold or interfere all game long knowing that the stripes aren't going to flag every infraction. Even leading the league in PI calls only added up to 13 on the year. Any team would gladly take that tradeoff.

Where the heck was that officiating when Woodson and Harris were getting called left and right against the Giants.

Originally Posted by lambeausouth:

Tom Brady is 6'4". Aaron Rodgers is 6'2". Two inches makes it that much more difficult for Rodgers to see down field?

 

Funny, I've heard that Aaron Rodgers has one of the quickest releases in the NFL, from guys on TV that would know, like Ron Jaworski, Steve Young, etc. 

 

As for the speed at linebacker, not meaning to argue, tim, as I agree that we need a lot more speed there. My main question is why the corner backs aren't at all physical with receivers at the line. They're allowed to bump for the first, what, five yards? I don't see us doing that, and I'm curious as to why. 

You're missing the obvious.  AR may be 6'2", in cleats, but he's 6'6" in heals.  So he 

can always ask the equipment manager for those if he needs a little extra elevation.

Come on, you guys, am I the only one thinking here?  

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