Things That Irritate You/Piss You Off

@Timpranillo posted:

But you’ve established that work at McDonald’s isn’t putting in the work.

What other jobs have you determined aren’t putting in enough work?

Is sitting in an office working on PowerPoint putting in enough work? Is working at Home Depot putting in the work?

Putting in enough work is relative.  Almost all jobs are work.  Putting in enough work to change your situation for the better, if that's what you want, is what I'm referring to.  If you don't feel like you're making enough, are you talking to your manager to find out what it takes to get promoted and then doing it?  Are you learning new skills that can get you a better/different job?  Are you going to or back to school?  Are you looking for a new job?  Or are you just bitching about your situation and doing nothing to change it?

And if you're happy with your career of choice, don't bitch about other jobs making more money than yours.  If you wanted to be a doctor and earn that kind of money, you could have done it (and maybe still could), but you chose not to put in the work to get there.

@Harry Manback posted:

I know it's more complicated than that.  There are racial, socio-economic, physical and mental limitations that factor in.  I realize that, but that's not who I'm referring to.  I was born into a family as a white male that had parents who cared about me being successful, and I had a major advantage there.  But we were poor, lived in a rough, racially-mixed, low-income neighborhood so I had to earn everything I had.  I don't have much tolerance for people who face none of the above-mentioned disadvantages who bitch about their situation but do nothing to change it.

There are definitely some things we agree on but I'm not at liberty to discuss this fully.  Simply put, I grew up on dairy farm that was wiped out by a storm in 1980 and had to weather Reaganomics.  I know obscenely hard work and the only thing I've got to show for it is a body breaking down at 50 years of age.  I'm even trying to start a masters at this point but it's impossible not to see the hurdles people face.

I think the bigger issue is lack of hope, which leads to lack of desire.  I would point you to the NEET issue in Japan.

But since experiencing, studying and knowing things means you're a know it all asshole to some with poopy butt syndrome I can't venture any further on the topic.

@Harry Manback posted:

And if you're happy with your career of choice, don't bitch about other jobs making more money than yours.  If you wanted to be a doctor and earn that kind of money, you could have done it (and maybe still could), but you chose not to put in the work to get there.

I agree with this but there is no reason why your career choice shouldn't pay enough to support yourself and family.  There needs to be respect for all work.  Respect is such a massive component in a healthy economy.

I would point you to Oren Cass as he has many interesting takes on the issue.  If there was such a thing as a Bernie Reaganite, it would be him.

American Compass: A Seat at the Table.

@Henry posted:

There are definitely some things we agree on but I'm not at liberty to discuss this fully.  Simply put, I grew up on dairy farm that was wiped out by a storm in 1980 and had to weather Reaganomics.  I know obscenely hard work and the only thing I've got to show for it is a body breaking down at 50 years of age.  I'm even trying to start a masters at this point but it's impossible not to see the hurdles people face.

I think the bigger issue is lack of hope, which leads to lack of desire.  I would point you to the NEET issue in Japan.

But since experiencing, studying and knowing things means you're a know it all asshole to some with poopy butt syndrome I can't venture any further on the topic.

Wow, that's tough, Henry.  Farming life is no joke, even without a disaster.  I'm so thankful to farmers.  I have family who have since passed away that were farmers.

I too would like to get a masters degree but it's so damned expensive and I'm not willing to go in to debt at this age for a slight bump in pay and more possibilities.  You and I are about the same age.  My wife has a masters degree that we pay a hefty sum for every month due to her student loan, and we'll probably be paying for it the rest of our lives.

I agree that lack of hope is a huge factor.  It can, like you said, lead to a lack of desire, or given the person, it can inspire someone to create change, but it takes a heck of a lot more effort and everyone's challenges to surmount have varying degrees of difficulty.

If you're working on a farm, that's hard work.  And getting out of that situation, if that's what you want to do, has a much higher degree of diffculty than a lot of people face, including me.  I didn't have that kind of responsibility to worry about.  People like you are the salt of the earth, however.  Thank you.

@Henry posted:

I agree with this but there is no reason why your career choice shouldn't pay enough to support yourself and family.  There needs to be respect for all work.  Respect is such a massive component in a healthy economy.

I would point you to Oren Cass as he has many interesting takes on the issue.  If there was such a thing as a Bernie Reaganite, it would be him.

American Compass: A Seat at the Table.

And don't get me wrong.  I respect anyone who is able to work and works, no matter the job.  And it would be nice if they all paid a living wage.  I'm going to have to read that link you sent me because I'm not sure how you give everyone a living wage without jacking up a capitolist economy.

Nope, just passing along some info.  I find Oren Cass really interesting.  I've never been anything remotely Republican but I'll always listen to good ideas and I think Oren Cass has a lot of good ideas.  He was Mitt Romney's head campaign guy I believe.

The key is defining what is truly Capitalism vs. libertarian "capitalism", which is not capitalism.   

@Harry Manback posted:

I too would like to get a masters degree but it's so damned expensive and I'm not willing to go in to debt at this age for a slight bump in pay and more possibilities.  You and I are about the same age.  My wife has a masters degree that we pay a hefty sum for every month due to her student loan, and we'll probably be paying for it the rest of our lives.

I agree that lack of hope is a huge factor.  It can, like you said, lead to a lack of desire, or given the person, it can inspire someone to create change, but it takes a heck of a lot more effort and everyone's challenges to surmount have varying degrees of difficulty.

If you're working on a farm, that's hard work.  And getting out of that situation, if that's what you want to do, has a much higher degree of diffculty than a lot of people face, including me.  I didn't have that kind of responsibility to worry about.  People like you are the salt of the earth, however.  Thank you.

I grew up on a farm but not a dairy farm almost on the shore of Lake Michigan.  Just managing a farm was hard enough and I knew many dairy farmers and their type of work was way beyond what we had to do.  I can remember so many times having to run warm water to the animals in -20 weather and cutting wood to heat our house.

I had so few opportunites after high school basically I could go work in a pots and pans factory (MIrro) or in the ship yard.  I choose the military instead because like someone else said my parents made just enough money where I couldn't get the loans but at the same time they didn't have the money to send me to school. I can always remember my Mom saying "no one in this family goes to college or ever will"

Later in life I worked in an iron foundary, hydrolics parts factories, and the sporting goods store part time to feed my family.  Those days on the farm sure taught me the value of hard work so I really dispise folks who think its below them when someone works those types of jobs.

Long story short, I got divorced 12 years ago which was the best thing that ever happened to me. And after being free from a bad situation I got my act together and  I finally finished by my bachelors and masters and have become the only person in my family to do that.

Congrats Heckler, and thanks for your service!  I wish I could have served.  My mom and dad could be such assholes.  They found out through my tattle tail brother, that I had a huge party the summer before my freshman year in college.  I was grounded for the last month of the summer except to go to work, and I remember vividly my parents telling me there was no way I'd make it in college.  I too became the first in my family to graduate from college.  My sister, eight years younger than me, quit after two years (that my parents paid for) and my brother, six years younder than me, flunked out after a year (that my parents paid for).  Take that, mom and dad.

And I quit coleege to came home and farm when my older brother wanted to quit and chase some out of her fucking mind bimbo.  Biggest mistake I ever made financially as I was in Ag Ed.  But met a great gal, have 3 wonderful daughters ansd now 7 grandchildren with another on the way. (All girls except for the oldest being a boy.)  So I now have a less than 20 year old house, 110 acres of woods, 3 vehicles,  everything free and clear.  Funny how things work out. Dairy farmed 30 years, had several jobs after that, never took a real vacation, well the wife and I went to Niagra Falls after I quit farming.  Things turned out alright after all. It just took longer and worked harder.

Thanks Harry!  I was very reluctant to go in the military those years ago because I wasn't sure I could cut it based on things my parents said as well.  I was totally wrong and it provided me the direction I had been needing at that time in my life.

I also had to laugh at getting grounded about having a big party.  I had a huge keg party on the ice in the pond on the farm and still not sure who ratted me out but someone did and I also was grounded for awhile.  If my parent only knew the other shit I was doing that I got away with.

@The Heckler posted:

Thanks Harry!  I was very reluctant to go in the military those years ago because I wasn't sure I could cut it based on things my parents said as well.  I was totally wrong and it provided me the direction I had been needing at that time in my life.

I also had to laugh at getting grounded about having a big party.  I had a huge keg party on the ice in the pond on the farm and still not sure who ratted me out but someone did and I also was grounded for awhile.  If my parent only knew the other shit I was doing that I got away with.

No kidding, huh?  It's a wonder I'm alive, really.  I'm sure there were things my parents knew about, but didn't feel like addressing them for whatever reason.  Makes me scared to death having a boy and even more scared to hand over keys to a car.

And that party I had was epic - well worth the punishment.

Too many people today, especially young people, want easy street because they're not used to working for shit.  They had it too good growing up and/or are just plain lazy.

Grandson, who is a senior in HS and also in the Army Reserves, got his after-school job at an oil change place because he was the only one to show up for his interview. And after only about two months, he is almost first in seniority.

And then there are the morons on the highway when a lane is closed and you get several warnings to merge but no you have to go all the way to the front try to merge then.

One of my more "pleasant" experiences going home after work. 151 was under construction in Sun Prairie. There were the usual warnings about the right lane being closed ahead. The usual line forms. Then Mr. I'm-Somebody-Hotshot in a sports car goes flying up in the right lane and then...has to stop. We in the left lane went bumper to bumper and let Mr. I'm-Somebody-Hotshot sit there for a long time...until some bleeding heart let him in. Yes, I laughed. A lot.

https://auto.howstuffworks.com...ane-zipper-merge.htm

I merge my zipper every morning.

I must say, I’m really glad I was allowed to join this board.  What a great group of diverse, really good community of people.  I’ve enjoyed learning more about everyone and even having some of my views challenged.  The fact you’re all Packers fans, and football fans, is just icing on the cake.