Tretter / Goods vs Bads (Tell me about this play calling again?)

I laugh, and I meant more in the Juju sense than anything else, H5.

HOWEVER,  MM did say he was "responding to pressure" to take back the play-calling, and the Press-Gazette had been banging that drum for over a month. Everyone was saying it. 

Green Bay is an extremely small town, and coaches are only human.  I'm from there. Everyone knows what fans are saying there, and coaches likely get sick of hearing things as much as the next guy, and are susceptible to public influence as much as anyone.  Everyone is; it's  human nature.

It's trickle down.  No I don't think MM is reading this.  But enough people make enough noise, I believe it gets back to him one way or another.  And we know JSO monitors this site. 

Whatever, if nothing else, the drum needs to be banged just to be banged.  It needs to be said no matter  what forest the tree is falling in. Adams is hurting the team.

The only pressure MM may have been feeling perhaps was from TT or maybe his QB, not any fan or article in print

Player ratings versus the Cowboys, courtesy of the JSO:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...602z1-362171811.html

The pressure MM was referring to was watching the offense perform like it did in the first half against the Lions with a HOF QB under center. If he or TT are ever making decisions based on what the media or fans are saying they need to be replaced. 

If MM were to ever bow to fan or media pressure, I'd want him out on the next thing smokin.  Fans don't know squat about coaching an nfl team.

I think at one point in this season us fans would of fired everyone on the team and started from scratch.  I don't know how you can say we can't run a NFL team. :-) 

+ 7th straight winning season.  That equals the Holmgren/Favre era run of 7 straight from 92-98.  I believe that's 20 winning seasons out of the last 24.  99 and 06 were 8-8 years.  The only losing seasons were 2005 and 2008.

+ offense had a flow to it we haven't seen in quite some time

+ defense only gave up 7 points.  They haven't given up more than 2 touchdowns since the Carolina game

I watched the game again last night and noticed there were a lot more under center plays than we have seen all season.  By my count there were 25 or so plays under center (probably a few less than that due to accepted penalties).  

 

Lacy seems more productive when running out of pistol or under center formations. And more snaps for Kuhn certainly helped.  The TE's can't block - makes you wonder if Perillo gets dumped for Quarless, if Quarless comes back.

a mantra my friends and I have had for the duration of the MM years when things aren't going well on offense:  get the QB back under center.  it's about options, man, options.  why eliminate one threat from the D's concerns?  4 wide, empty backfield - hmm, I wonder what they'll do?

DH13 posted:

Fans don't know squat about coaching an nfl team.

Mostly true. Mostly. Meanwhile, fans are clamoring for MM to take back playcalling, the media is calling for it to happen, MM won't do it, then he coincidentally finally does, and it works.  

All those fans were right.  

Boris posted:

The only pressure MM may have been feeling perhaps was from TT or maybe his QB, not any fan or article in print

Some coaches and players also claim booing doesn't bother them.  Most admit it does.

I hereby boo Davante Adams. 

Davante Adams = Jarrett Bush

I don't know if media pressure played apart, I think the offense struggling against Detroit for the second time in the same season was the biggest red flag for him. During that 3 game skid I think you could write it off as Clements just struggling vs. elite defenses and maybe just having a bad outing against Detroit (those happen)...looking back it's obvious those weren't just bad outings for Clements though. Facing Detroit for a second time 4 weeks and STILL struggling with the exact same issues is a bigger red flag. Struggling with the same issues against the same personnel and same coordinator is a really bad sign and I don't think McCarthy could dismiss that as growing pains or something like that. Clements really forced his hand with that one.

Important distinction: Jarrett Bush wasn't a high-round pick who was expected to be a starter and major contributor. His non-Special Teams stink was not unexpected. 

Herschel posted:

Important distinction: Jeff Janis  Jarrett Bush  wasn't a high-round pick who was expected to be a starter and major contributor. His non-Special Teams stink was not unexpected. 

Just because.

Pistol GB posted:

DH13 posted:

Fans don't know squat about coaching an nfl team.

Mostly true. Mostly. Meanwhile, fans are clamoring for MM to take back playcalling, the media is calling for it to happen, MM won't do it, then he coincidentally finally does, and it works.  

All those fans were right.  

Clamoring for McCarthy to take back play calling without details as to what they would want him to do differently than Clements doesn't make those fans right when McCarty took back the play calling.

What about Clement's play calling didn't they like? How did they suggest McCarthy change from that? DH13 is right, 99.999% of fans don't know squat about coaching a NFL team - which goes way beyond calling offensive plays off a laminated card.

McCarthy didn't take back the play calling because the media or fans were clamoring, he did it because Clements had no rhythm or flow in the calls. No creativity in the scheme/game plan. Some fans saw that and commented as such.

It did not go unnoticed to me that AR only called 1 TO due to the play-clock running out vs DAL, when he had been burning 1 or 2 a half the previous few weeks. Much better rhythm, and the Benoit MMQB article was spot on with regards to the stacking aspect of the play calling.

Pistol GB posted:

DH13 posted:

Fans don't know squat about coaching an nfl team.

Mostly true. Mostly. Meanwhile, fans are clamoring for MM to take back playcalling, the media is calling for it to happen, MM won't do it, then he coincidentally finally does, and it works.  

All those fans were right.  

Of all the very good reasons to take back playcalling, ceding to fans or media's opinion was the last and probably not even on the list.  As it should be for an nfl head coach.  It was more coincidence that the fans were right than that MM made the change.

You see, I see, coach sees, we all see:  Davante needs to ride the pine.  

He ain't working through it here.  It's not personal. It's overdue.

I ain't stopping if that's what you want.  I was laughing to begin with on this (as you can see at the top of this page). I know fan/media opinion aren't ever going to be any kind of listed reason.

If Adams gets benched, who plays in his place and how do you use that replacement? How do you adjust the offence with 1 less WR option?

Adams is playing by default.  That's just the way it is.  

I think giving Abby the start ahead of Adams would be a good wake up call.

Abby's role in the sneak attack must not change.  0 catches = 1 win

Nothing wrong with a sneak attack.

What about Clement's play calling didn't they like? How did they suggest McCarthy change from that? DH13 is right, 99.999% of fans don't know squat about coaching a NFL team

"McCarthy didn't take back the play calling because the media or fans were clamoring, he did it because Clements had no rhythm or flow in the calls."

 

Does this make you a 0.001%er or was it fairly obvious to most of us what the problem was?

Henry posted:

Adams is playing by default.  That's just the way it is.  

Adams is the superior talent, but talent alone isn't enough.   At this stage I would go with Abby until Adams gets his head right.  

Kiel is the 1%'r around here.

I had finally had enough of John Kuhn a couple of games back and voiced my frustrations with him on this very forum. 

+++  In the last 2 games Kuhn has played very well, great blocks, good protection and reliable as a quick outlet receiver.  Everything you want in a fullback.

He might be almost done, but doesn't appear to be washed up just yet.

I'm glad I was wrong, I like hearing the fans yelling Kuuuuuuuuuhn

 

Abbrederis replaced him for a couple series against Dallas and looked much better by comparison.

There's your starter by the playoffs if he can stay healthy.

We'll see.

3 more games left. Would like to be 12-4 but 11-5 is acceptable

Super Bowl is acceptable. 

12 core guys on this roster started in 2010 in Dallas. That matters. 42 guys have to want to give those 12 another of what they want. 

1 step at a time. Got some work to do.

I so want Monty to get healthy.