LOL! They can't even buy our PS players.
quote:Originally posted by NJWIS:
Really I didnt know that JF was a TE? You learn something new everyday...
Why don't you list me the pecking order when it comes to who Arod will be throwing the ball to come next year?
JJ is a luxury. If TT knew JN would have a breakout year and that RC would develop so fast as the slot receiver I doubt JJ even gets the contract he did.
There has to be added value if you can package flynn and JJ together.
Since you listed JF as 2nd in your list of WR's, I kind of doubted your knowledge. Glad to see you are on top of it.
I won't list you in the pecking order as to who ARod will be throwing to next year, because you are too valuable here on the sidelines as the resident GM genius in waiting.
Actually he is 3rd on my list but I will let that slide. So by being afraid of answering the ? I take it you now realize GB is paying the #5 target millions a year.
JJ went into this year thinking he had a chance at the #2 spot. Going into next year he knows he is at best the #4 option. You think he wants that? I can guarantee you he wants out of GB in the worst way.
JJ went into this year thinking he had a chance at the #2 spot. Going into next year he knows he is at best the #4 option. You think he wants that? I can guarantee you he wants out of GB in the worst way.
quote:I can guarantee you he wants out of GB in the worst way.
How do you come to this conclusion?
You dont think JJ thinks he is a legit #2 WR? He won't get that chance in GB.
Im sure he likes GB and likes ARod and the rest of the players but he has to feel like he is being wasted on such a loaded offensive team.
Im sure he likes GB and likes ARod and the rest of the players but he has to feel like he is being wasted on such a loaded offensive team.
I'm sure he thinks he is a 1, doesn't mean he is desperate to go elsewhere. He knew better than anyone what he was getting himself into when he signed with the Pack.
quote:Originally posted by NJWIS:
You dont think JJ thinks he is a legit #2 WR? He won't get that chance in GB.
Im sure he likes GB and likes ARod and the rest of the players but he has to feel like he is being wasted on such a loaded offensive team.
So you basically just made that **** up, right?
no not out of thin air:
http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/c...d&utm_medium=twitter
and that article was written before RC really showed the ability to play the #3 spot.
And he was smart enough to keep quiet about it the rest of the year.
http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/c...d&utm_medium=twitter
and that article was written before RC really showed the ability to play the #3 spot.
And he was smart enough to keep quiet about it the rest of the year.
I read that article then... and just now. Is that supposed to support your statement about Jones wanting out of GB in the worst way?
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:quote:I can guarantee you he wants out of GB in the worst way.
How do you come to this conclusion?
It's a guarantee. No conclusion or proof necessary.
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
I read that article then... and just now. Is that supposed to support your statement about Jones wanting out of GB in the worst way?
hey MBs are about people giving opinions. You can agree with me or not. Its up to you. I'm just throwing what I think is best for the team.
The beat writers on twitter have mentioned trade possibilities with JJ all year long. They don't make stuff out of thin air.
His personality is not a fit for this team or coach
quote:The beat writers on twitter have mentioned trade possibilities with JJ all year long. They don't make stuff out of thin air.
You gotta be ****.qing me??
This is music to my ears:
The Dolphins want to upgrade from last year’s quarterbacks, first Chad Henne and then Matt Moore, and the most obvious way to do that would be to sign Matt Flynn, the Packers backup who looked good in limited action running Philbin’s offense in Green Bay. Ross indicated that price won’t be an obstacle to getting the right quarterback in Miami. “I’m looking for a franchise quarterback,” Ross said. “That’s the highest thing on our agenda.”
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The Dolphins want to upgrade from last year’s quarterbacks, first Chad Henne and then Matt Moore, and the most obvious way to do that would be to sign Matt Flynn, the Packers backup who looked good in limited action running Philbin’s offense in Green Bay. Ross indicated that price won’t be an obstacle to getting the right quarterback in Miami. “I’m looking for a franchise quarterback,” Ross said. “That’s the highest thing on our agenda.”
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Excellent. Flynn is getting franchised, and he's getting traded to the Dolphins. I know nothing, but this seems like a slam dunk.
I'm hoping for a swap of first rounders this year and maybe a conditional second or third round pick in 2013 depending on QB rating, games started, whatever...
The Hawk signing was a big mistake. The guy showed he was not a play-maker and still got a huge deal. Dumb move financially and from a PP evaluation standpoint.
As for the reason the Pack missed another championship run, I don't think you can blame TT for a laundry list of players regressing beyond belief: Tramon, Shields, Woodson, Hawk, Raji, Wynn, Wilson, Zombo, Walden, etc...but he did make several key mistakes in Hawk, Jenkins, and the draft(OLB).
I disagree. I think the reasons mentioned were strong as to not over-pay him in FA. However, when Jenkins' market dried up and he became available for a very reasonable price, I think it was a mistake in not resigning him. A chance worth taking if you have the Giants or the Lions D-line depth. A chance taken where it turned out about as poorly a possible....Jenkins had a great year in Philly and nobody was able to remotely replace him(Insert highly disappointed in 2nd round draft pick Mike Neal here).
All GM's make mistakes. We'll see how TT is able to fix the holes in the defense at DE, OLB, safety, etc...to make another run.
The guy has a better hit ratio than the majority of GM's. I have a hunch the Packers defense will be better next year.
As for the reason the Pack missed another championship run, I don't think you can blame TT for a laundry list of players regressing beyond belief: Tramon, Shields, Woodson, Hawk, Raji, Wynn, Wilson, Zombo, Walden, etc...but he did make several key mistakes in Hawk, Jenkins, and the draft(OLB).
quote:Originally posted by slowmo:
Not resigning Jenkins, with what was known at the time, was a good move. Jenkins missed many games in 2 of the 3 previous season with injuries. He missed 4-5 games down the stretch in the Super Bowl season. Over 30, and with an injury history, was a reason not to resign.
I disagree. I think the reasons mentioned were strong as to not over-pay him in FA. However, when Jenkins' market dried up and he became available for a very reasonable price, I think it was a mistake in not resigning him. A chance worth taking if you have the Giants or the Lions D-line depth. A chance taken where it turned out about as poorly a possible....Jenkins had a great year in Philly and nobody was able to remotely replace him(Insert highly disappointed in 2nd round draft pick Mike Neal here).
All GM's make mistakes. We'll see how TT is able to fix the holes in the defense at DE, OLB, safety, etc...to make another run.
The guy has a better hit ratio than the majority of GM's. I have a hunch the Packers defense will be better next year.
I don't think TT knew Jenkins would take less. Perhaps, that was his miscalculation.
This is such bull. So what if Thompson pays Jenkins the money he wants, he gets hurt and we're in the same situation...then hacks like McGinn would be complaining that Thompson overpaid an old, oft-injured player while younger players like Neal are getting their development stunted due to a lack of PT. And if Thompson lets Hawk walk and DJ Smith was a bust then McGinn would complain about how Hawk wasn't great but he was better than nothing and we could have won a SB with him as a starter. Either way Ted Thompson made the wrong move in McGinn's eyes.
Better to let a player go a year too early than a year too late. That saying has never failed.
Better to let a player go a year too early than a year too late. That saying has never failed.
TT mentioned he wanted to sign Jenkins, but he never got the opportunity. I think he was expecting Jenkins to give him the chance to match, but Jenkins never did.
Uncle Ted should have drafted VD instead of. That would have changed drafting another TE later.
We can't dump Hawk. He makes the all important calls for the worst ranked defense in the league. Didn't like that signing when we did it and don't like it now. We should trade him to a team that runs the 4-3.
DJ Smith is a sure tackler and just seems to have better instincts than Hawk. I know it's sacrilege to question the guy, but Hawk just isn't good enough anymore.
What we have as a team is what happens when you draft the BPA. Some drafts, you end up with a lot of defense, some a lot of offense. Our D got better with CM3 and Raji, but then we drafted a lot of offense. They were the BPA and that shaped our team. Reach for positions and you get Justin Harrell. Draft BPA and you get Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb. The you play to your strengths.
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:
DJ Smith is a sure tackler and just seems to have better instincts than Hawk.
The goalposts have better instincts than Hawk.
Never would think that Laurinitis would be better NFL LB than Hawk, although the D's problems are deeper then just replace Hawk.
Good post hof
Good post hof
When we were 15-1, and had won 19 in a row, nobody was dissing Thompson.
Thompson wasn't dropping passes, not tackling, giving up Hail Mary passes at the end of the second half. The onus rests on the players.
Thompson wasn't dropping passes, not tackling, giving up Hail Mary passes at the end of the second half. The onus rests on the players.
Also, if we'd resigned Jenkins to a big deal, and he missed 10 games, we'd be bitching at Ted for wasting money on a guy with an injury history on the wrong side of 30.
Jenkins would've never signed that one year deal that the Eagles gave him. The Eagles had just blown their load with Nnamdi and a couple other players. Cullen signed out of spite.
quote:Originally posted by lambeausouth:
When we were 15-1, and had won 19 in a row, nobody was dissing Thompson.
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I don't see it as dissing Thompson. The guy has proven himself as a fantastic GM. He does need to be held partly responsible though for fielding one horrible defense this year. Some of his moves/non-moves contributed to the poor quality of the defense.
It's hard to believe how good the D was in 2010 after watching the poor play this year. 2nd best in points allowed and I believe top 8 for yardage given up in 2010.
To go from that to 2nd worst yardage given up in NFL history in one offseason, I certainly don't think anyone could have forseen that kind of drop off even with Jenkins not coming back. I don't blame TT at all for focusing more on the offense in the off-season as the defense was the stronger unit that carried the Pack at times in 2010.
TT's not stupid, he saw the weaknesses just like we all did. He'll give some of these guys 1 more shot, but he's going to have some competition for many of them that they didn't have coming into this year. I've got to believe there's about 6 starting jobs on defense that won't be handed to anyone, plus I think Shields will be put on notice as well as the top nickel corner, he really regressed.
To go from that to 2nd worst yardage given up in NFL history in one offseason, I certainly don't think anyone could have forseen that kind of drop off even with Jenkins not coming back. I don't blame TT at all for focusing more on the offense in the off-season as the defense was the stronger unit that carried the Pack at times in 2010.
TT's not stupid, he saw the weaknesses just like we all did. He'll give some of these guys 1 more shot, but he's going to have some competition for many of them that they didn't have coming into this year. I've got to believe there's about 6 starting jobs on defense that won't be handed to anyone, plus I think Shields will be put on notice as well as the top nickel corner, he really regressed.
Hindsight is always 20/20. There is some rationalizing and fact changing too. This version that Jenkins never gave the Packers an opportunity to match is something fairly recent. What offer did the Packers make? NFL players do not have the luxury of doing what Shaq O'Neil did. "Spiting" their former team by taking "only" $100,000,000 instead of 125 million. Jenkins signed a bad contract because it was all he could get. Period. Had the Packers been able to forsee the domino effect it had on the entire defense they would have re-signed him.
As for A.J Hawk.....Bob McGinn has a point. He has an agenda too. But he has a point.
As for A.J Hawk.....Bob McGinn has a point. He has an agenda too. But he has a point.
To win a Super bowl a team has to be good, but also lucky. This year the Packers were not very lucky. By Luck I mean injuries, players having good years, and unexpected players stepping it up. For the most part the Packers did not have very many players stepping it up and many having bad years. Add a pass rusher or two the Packers defense will be a lot better. The only problem is good pass rushers are going to be at a premium this year.
Icabod has gotten away with multiple grounding this half along with a gift fumble by the 9ers. Throw in a terrible missed fumble and luck is certainly there.
The Giants this year picked a guy off the streets named Blackburn who was like Walden last year.
A contributor.
We need that again.
A contributor.
We need that again.
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:
DJ Smith is a sure tackler and just seems to have better instincts than Hawk. I know it's sacrilege to question the guy, but Hawk just isn't good enough anymore.
I am calling it right now. D.J. Smith will be starting over Hawk on opening day next season.