Two Wins Better ?

Lord knows the football gods owed us a couple of bounces after plenty of seasons ending in thousand yard stares. We've paid our dues.  Playoff games are decided as much by missed plays as made plays.

If we win the Super Bowl this year I'd imagine it would be with one of the youngest cb groups ever. Seems like a tall order. I like having House back. Should be a good mentor for Gunter and King.  Knows how Joe Whitt wants the position played.

There's potential for more stability at RB. I loved Lacy on gameday, but I don't think he was big on practice. You take the bad with the good, but it seemed like Lacy checked out of practice more than a few times over the years and it derailed the tempo MM wants at practice.

I think the new crop potentially brings more effort and detail in preparation. That's should energize MM and 12. RBs have a way of initiating momentum for the offense in the same way LBs do for the defense. Young, hungry guys should make training camp fun.

Pass protection is a major concern. If I'm remembering correctly, Montgomery wasn't too good at it last year.  It's always worrying until one of the guys figures it out.

"Just OK defense even only giving up 2 FGs. Gave the Gmen 8 plays of 10 + yards and 3 dropped TDs by OBJ and shinyhorse other droppsies by Giant receivers and a Hail Mary. Or The NY visitors are blowing us out at home again"

Or the NY visitors are Blowing us out at home again. 

38-13. Ok. 38-13 Green Bay. Beckham and Sheppard dropped possible TD passes on the same drive. Packers had more passing yards. More rushing yards. Won turnovers. Won time of possession by damn near 10 minutes. But NY almost blows GB out again because of some dropped passes?!?!?!?!?!?! The only reason that game was remotely close was MM going for it on 4th and 1 on his own 40, not making it, and Eli hit some ****nut on the next play to make it 14-13 halfway through the 3rd. 

24 unanswered points later and complete second half domination later it's 38-13 Green Bay. 

Or the NY visitors are blowing us out again at home.....

Watched the Giants playoff game and I forgot how fortunate we were. Offense sputtered in first half. Just OK defense even only giving up 2 FGs. Gave the Gmen 8 plays of 10 + yards and 3 dropped TDs by OBJ and shinyhorse other droppsies by Giant receivers and a Hail Mary. Or The NY visitors are blowing us out at home again. Don't get me started on Dallas game ... in other notes...

Sorry, but I call bullschit on this. This is the same argument of when a RB kills a team with 130 yards rushing and some fan goes "ya, but if you take away his 11, 25 and 51 yard runs, we really held him to only 43 yards rushing".

Green Bay beat the Giants and Cryboys period. End of story.  Rodgers was brilliant in both games and players stepped up when they needed to. The Packers were the hottest team in the NFC and it showed in both those games.

Do you think ATL was downplaying their win against GB by going "well, ya we beat them but they didn't have pro bowler Sam Shields, their secondary was hurt, and ____ players weren't 100 percent"? No,

As is said time and again, winning in the NFL is hard. Plain and simple. If all the style points aren't there or the opposing teams key players don't play as well as they could, so be it. In the playoffs, you just win. Who gives a **** how

Rodgers made a very good point at the end of last season. GB needs to do everything they can to get to a 1 or 2 seed come playoff time. In January, it makes a big difference,

No need to call bs... the first half is what I was referring to. Got pretty lucky dropped TDs on one drive yes. But twice dogged a bullet and then another drive very lucky. 6 points instead of 14. Another drive stalled due to dropped passes and the Giants could have easily been up 17 or 21 to 0. Maybe different bsll game. Anyhow.  Also looking at reg seasin record and I think they're a long way off with rookie and 3rd year dbacks some udfa and rookie rbs. Looong shot to win SB not just 2 more wins. Eh?

Step 1- Keep AR healthy

Step B- Keep most of the other guys healthy

Step Tres- Fire Dom Capers

Result- Superbowl

Yeah that's really what it comes down to, health. Same thing for every team. If Derek Carr's leg doesn't explode before the playoffs then they probably would have done a lot better. If our top 3 CBs don't sustain season ending or season hobbling injuries then we probably wouldn't have struggled as much with Dez and Julio, OBJ probably doesn't get the opportunities to score that he blew in that game either. If Jordy doesn't get cheap shotted in the ribs then maybe our offense has a stronger second quarter against the Giants. The scenarios work both ways. 

McCarthy is a quality coach. Give him the pieces to win a championship and keep the key guys healthy and he will deliver. 

Glad to see you agree with me and my last post

The Packers should absolutely be in the mix in the NFC barring any unfortunate or unforeseen circumstances like A Rod getting hurt. 

Does that mean they win the SB?  time will tell. 

El-Kofi-Amichia posted:

Glad to see you agree with me and my last post

I almost always agree with you. Almost. 

pablopackerfan posted:

No need to call bs... the first half is what I was referring to. Got pretty lucky dropped TDs on one drive yes. But twice dogged a bullet and then another drive very lucky. 6 points instead of 14. Another drive stalled due to dropped passes and the Giants could have easily been up 17 or 21 to 0. Maybe different bsll game. Anyhow.  Also looking at reg seasin record and I think they're a long way off with rookie and 3rd year dbacks some udfa and rookie rbs. Looong shot to win SB not just 2 more wins. Eh?

Run out of orange paint?

Luck is something that can even out over time, and I thought the Packers were due for a little bit on the good side.  In 2011 playoffs, while the Giants outplayed the Pack, they got a hail mary to end the 1st half that really galvanized them and made it much tougher for the Pack to make a comeback.  In 2016, this time the Pack gets the hail mary, and proceeds to blow the Giants out of the stadium after that play put some energy into the team and the fans.

Those 2 Giants Super Bowl winners under Eli's leadership, holy crap was there a lot of luck that those 2 teams had to get where they got.  You had one of the luckiest plays of all time in the David Tyree catch to help the '07 Giants spring the upset.  The '11 Giants benefitted from 2 Punt Return muffs to upset San Fran on their way to the Super Bowl that year. 

The Packers were a little bit lucky to be sure, but don't apologize for luck as they haven't had a ton of it lately. 

You could go back to that '11 GB-NY playoff game and flip the narrative very easily. GB dropped a bunch of balls. Aaron missed a wide open Jennings inside the 10 that's a walk in TD on their opening drive. Grant's killer fumble. I think it was Jennings who got WIDE open down the sideline only Rodgers had no time to throw, got drilled, and fumbled. 

The concensus in the game thread at the time wasn't "GB could have easily blown out NY only NY got lucky". That 2011 game was 13-10. The Giants tried to get to halftime by giving the ball to Bradshaw to just drain the clock. Only GB decided to let him run in slow motion for 25 yards AND get out of bounds to set up the hail mary.

In 2011 NY played well. GB did not. NY won comfortably. In 2016 GB played well. NY did not. GB won comfortably. 

It's hard to win a Super Bowl.

Luck has little to do with it. It is all about making plays when the opportunity arises & limiting the opponent's opportunities to do the same. 

pablopackerfan posted:

No need to call bs... the first half is what I was referring to. Got pretty lucky dropped TDs on one drive yes. 

You call it luck, I say it was the Wizard and his demon DBs. There is a reason they dropped the pass and it ain't about luck. Dropped passes from a NFL WR is due to poor fundamentals on the play. Poor fundamentals in this situation is a lack of concentration. Lack of concentration is because of the defenders and the defense played.

If not, it would be just a bunch of 7-on-7 drills. 

Grave Digger posted:

McCarthy is a quality coach. Give him the pieces to win a championship and keep the key guys healthy and he will deliver. 

2009-Raji and CM3

2012-Perry

2013-Jones

2014-Dix

2015-Randal & Rollins

2016-Clark

Nice pieces...  

CJ, you saying we are lucky they went yachting?

I'm saying we're lucky the weather was nice and flights weren't delayed so they could go yachting. 

I agree that two more wins are possible. But I also remember the midseason funk we were in. Last year we were supposed to have one of the easiest schedule. This year we may not. It will be very hard to start out fast. Lots of new players at key positions. Even the acquired veterans will be playing for a new team this year. It takes time to gel. I think that without too many injuries we will be stronger down the stretch. And that where we want to be...in the playoffs.

I get I'm in the minority here. But it's still my strong belief that when Aaron Rodgers made his "we've got to be all in from day one" comment following the NFC Title game he was calling out coaches on the staff that werent pulling their share early in the season which in large part led to the 4-6 start and the general **** stretch of play after the bye. I'm pointing right at Clements to start with.

I don't think for a second he was taking a shot at Ted to find more talent. He was pissed they started 4-6 and then had to claw like lunatics for the wild card. 

I will be interested to see how the offense performs post-Clements. Don't know if he was doing a lot or doing nothing, but Bennett more or less has the keys to the Cadillac now...with MM riding shotgun and telling him what to do.

ChilliJon posted:

I get I'm in the minority here. But it's still my strong belief that when Aaron Rodgers made his "we've got to be all in from day one" comment following the NFC Title game he was calling out coaches on the staff that werent pulling their share early in the season which in large part led to the 4-6 start and the general **** stretch of play after the bye. I'm pointing right at Clements to start with.

I don't think for a second he was taking a shot at Ted to find more talent. He was pissed they started 4-6 and then had to claw like lunatics for the wild card. 

I'm going with Capers.  Also note his comments previously about having all the components to win, except on defense.

As much as I can't stand Bedard, his comment about a country club defense seems to be a little too legitimate for my tastes.

DH13 posted:

pablopackerfan posted:

No need to call bs... the first half is what I was referring to. Got pretty lucky dropped TDs on one drive yes. But twice dogged a bullet and then another drive very lucky. 6 points instead of 14. Another drive stalled due to dropped passes and the Giants could have easily been up 17 or 21 to 0. Maybe different bsll game. Anyhow.  Also looking at reg seasin record and I think they're a long way off with rookie and 3rd year dbacks some udfa and rookie rbs. Looong shot to win SB not just 2 more wins. Eh?

Run out of orange paint?

No clue your meanin' here  but point is just looking at that first half

Hungry5 posted:

pablopackerfan posted:

No need to call bs... the first half is what I was referring to. Got pretty lucky dropped TDs on one drive yes. 

You call it luck, I say it was the Wizard and his demon DBs. There is a reason they dropped the pass and it ain't about luck. Dropped passes from a NFL WR is due to poor fundamentals on the play. Poor fundamentals in this situation is a lack of concentration. Lack of concentration is because of the defenders and the defense played.

If not, it would be just a bunch of 7-on-7 drills. 

You are THE Strawman , aren't you Angry5 ?

The way you react to differing opinions is familiar. 

Your fault for communicating with a 12 year old girl.

You're such a b1tch. 

As if.