quote:Originally posted by Blueshound:
- where was that defense when they played MN?
Staring at Adrian Peterson.
Staring at Adrian Peterson.
Staring at Adrian Peterson.
This is as good as any thread to put this in. I've been thinking about the game and watched comments from a number of the talking heads. I still believe this was a fantastic win, but I think the Packers were handed this game from the Dallas staff plus it is an over hyped team, but not in the category of the ******* or Bengals, more like the Bears.
First off, Romo blew some reads. T. Dungy mentioned that Romo missed reads on Packers safeties cheating to coverage that should have indicated that Woodson was blitzing. Lead to a fumble recovered at the 3.
P. Dougherty said that the Packers stuffed Dallas' run game with Barber, Jones and Choice gaining only 45 rushes on 11 attempts. My view is the play calling for the cowboys was atrocious and they aboandoned the run far too quickly. How do take the ball out their RB's hands and give it to Romo for 39 attempts? One rush after the 1st quarter for Barber. Not to mention that4 yards an attempt for each run is not completely stuffing like the packers did against A. Peterson in the first ****** game, for example. I thought Barber, Jones and Choice were a great combination, maybe their coaching staff doesn't think so.
4 games prior to Packer Game
19-73 Runs 34 passes 20-16 W Eagles
26-104 Runs 36 passes 38-17 W Seahawks
22-84 Runs 29 passes 37-21 W Falcons
23-145 Runs 34 passes 26-20 W Chiefs
They went from a 40/60 split on run vs. pass down to 22 percent in the Packers game. Earlier in the year they ran even more but had inconsistent results in in W-L column. Their WR corps is not good enough to warrant such a "balance". Austin, Williams and Crayton, please. I think Dallas is a poorly coached team that will never go very far into the playoffs when/if they get there.
This was a fantastic win and a step in the right direction, but wins against a team this lousy don't prove that all of the hysteria surrounding the packers in the preseason was valid. The Packers need about 4 consecutive weeks, improving each week as much as they did this past week to start those sort of conversations in my opinion.
First off, Romo blew some reads. T. Dungy mentioned that Romo missed reads on Packers safeties cheating to coverage that should have indicated that Woodson was blitzing. Lead to a fumble recovered at the 3.
P. Dougherty said that the Packers stuffed Dallas' run game with Barber, Jones and Choice gaining only 45 rushes on 11 attempts. My view is the play calling for the cowboys was atrocious and they aboandoned the run far too quickly. How do take the ball out their RB's hands and give it to Romo for 39 attempts? One rush after the 1st quarter for Barber. Not to mention that4 yards an attempt for each run is not completely stuffing like the packers did against A. Peterson in the first ****** game, for example. I thought Barber, Jones and Choice were a great combination, maybe their coaching staff doesn't think so.
4 games prior to Packer Game
19-73 Runs 34 passes 20-16 W Eagles
26-104 Runs 36 passes 38-17 W Seahawks
22-84 Runs 29 passes 37-21 W Falcons
23-145 Runs 34 passes 26-20 W Chiefs
They went from a 40/60 split on run vs. pass down to 22 percent in the Packers game. Earlier in the year they ran even more but had inconsistent results in in W-L column. Their WR corps is not good enough to warrant such a "balance". Austin, Williams and Crayton, please. I think Dallas is a poorly coached team that will never go very far into the playoffs when/if they get there.
This was a fantastic win and a step in the right direction, but wins against a team this lousy don't prove that all of the hysteria surrounding the packers in the preseason was valid. The Packers need about 4 consecutive weeks, improving each week as much as they did this past week to start those sort of conversations in my opinion.
Great post, GC. You are so right about the Cowboys' playcalling. With that line of theirs they should be pounding the snot of opponents with the run game to set up the pass. Look at how Dallas punked the Packers last year at Lambeau. I was fully expecting to see the same yesterday but Jason Garrett played right into Dom's hands. I believe Dom said after the game that he was able to turn the dogs loose once it became apparent that Dallas wasn't going to commit to the run.
Fully agree with your last paragraph. Yesterday we saw a big step, but still just one step.
Fully agree with your last paragraph. Yesterday we saw a big step, but still just one step.
From JSO's Review by Barancyk
snip*
"The Packers were able to hem in Marion Barber and even Felix Jones. Dallas wasn’t able to run outside like they do against a lot of teams and Matthews was a huge part of that."
snip*
"The Packers were able to hem in Marion Barber and even Felix Jones. Dallas wasn’t able to run outside like they do against a lot of teams and Matthews was a huge part of that."
quote:Originally posted by Goalline:quote:Originally posted by Blueshound:
- where was that defense when they played MN?
Staring at Adrian Peterson.
Yep, Dom screwed the Packer pooch by selling them out to stop AP and only AP. MM should have informed him - your number ONE priority is putting pressure and hits on Cinderella.
He was a very late round FA acquisition.
quote:Crosby sucks.
quote:MM has to stop with the long FG attempts
I disagree. Crosby is an excellent FG kicker with a ridiculously strong leg. He needs to work on his accuracy. I think Slocum screwed him up. You don't tell a FG kicker how to kick you just let him do it until he screws it up. Crosby was awesome his rookie season. There's no reason he can't get that back but the ST coach needs to stop telling him what to do or changing his kicking style
Clearly we need to sign a top tier holder in free agency before Crosby decides to head to greener (dome-ier?) pastures.
Slocum definitely destroyed Crosby's approach, which destroyed his confidence along with it.
I also notice Crosby misses from the LEFT hash-mark not the RIGHT... and I'm not sure about the CENTER.
I also thought Dallas looked incredibly weak and abandoned the run way too early. Barber gashed them for some big runs early on. I guess the Packers closed things up.
I'm still not sold on MM. He made several bone-headed calls. The only difference this time was the OL finally had its five best guys playing - Clifton and Lang made all the difference. If Tauscher is the best RT, moving Lang to LG could be what this team needs to make a playoff run.
Good players make even bad coaches look good; I'm still not sold on this coaching staff.
That said, I was really happy for MM when Barnett handed him back the game ball. I hope this is a sign of good things to come.
Let's wait and see.
I also notice Crosby misses from the LEFT hash-mark not the RIGHT... and I'm not sure about the CENTER.
I also thought Dallas looked incredibly weak and abandoned the run way too early. Barber gashed them for some big runs early on. I guess the Packers closed things up.
I'm still not sold on MM. He made several bone-headed calls. The only difference this time was the OL finally had its five best guys playing - Clifton and Lang made all the difference. If Tauscher is the best RT, moving Lang to LG could be what this team needs to make a playoff run.
Good players make even bad coaches look good; I'm still not sold on this coaching staff.
That said, I was really happy for MM when Barnett handed him back the game ball. I hope this is a sign of good things to come.
Let's wait and see.
quote:Originally posted by Sep Woodson:
...The only difference this time was the OL finally had its five best guys playing - Clifton and Lang made all the difference. If Tauscher is the best RT, moving Lang to LG could be what this team needs to make a playoff run...
I don't agree on Clifton. He's lost a step. He may be in their top five Olmen, but I think he's fifth. And here's a take...Clifton is why Colledge is struggling.
quote:Originally posted by Green Crustacean:
P. Dougherty said that the Packers stuffed Dallas' run game with Barber, Jones and Choice gaining only 45 rushes on 11 attempts. My view is the play calling for the cowboys was atrocious and they aboandoned the run far too quickly. How do take the ball out their RB's hands and give it to Romo for 39 attempts? One rush after the 1st quarter for Barber. Not to mention that4 yards an attempt for each run is not completely stuffing like the packers did against A. Peterson in the first ****** game, for example. I thought Barber, Jones and Choice were a great combination, maybe their coaching staff doesn't think so.
I Agree with Dougherty, the Packers did stuff the Cowboys run game. The Boys gained 20 yards on their first 2 running plays. After the 11:43 point in the first quarter, the Cowboys were getting as good as nothing, other than an 11 yard run by Choice in the 3rd quarter. 25 yards on 9 carries equates to about 2.7 yards per attempt. Take away Choices 11 yarder and you have 14 yards on 8 runs, 1.75 yards per attempt. I call that getting your run game stuffed.
Basically, the Cowboys gained almost half of their rushing yardage within their first 5 offensive plays. After that it was pretty tough sledding.
As a matter of fact, the Packers D was stuffing the Cowboys, period, up until close to the end of the 3rd quarter. I remember seeing a statline during the game. The cowboys had 111 total yards at halftime, with about 4 or 5 minutes left in the 3rd they had 114 total yards.
The cowboys got the majority of their offensive yards after the Pack took a "commanding"(haha) 10-0 lead in the 4th quarter.
JMO
quote:Originally posted by 4 Favre:
Clearly we need to sign a top tier holder in free agency before Crosby decides to head to greener (dome-ier?) pastures.
I think BJ Sander or Craig Nall is available.
quote:Originally posted by kentomagic:quote:Originally posted by Sep Woodson:
...The only difference this time was the OL finally had its five best guys playing - Clifton and Lang made all the difference. If Tauscher is the best RT, moving Lang to LG could be what this team needs to make a playoff run...
I don't agree on Clifton. He's lost a step. He may be in their top five Olmen, but I think he's fifth. And here's a take...Clifton is why Colledge is struggling.
Colledge sucked when flanked by Lang as well. Yes, Lang at LT isn't exactly desirable but Colledge has completely folded this year. If you're blaming the guys around you, you're not very good and that's what seems to be happening. A declining Clifton and a inconsistent Wells, which may very well be a symptom of Colledge's play.
quote:Originally posted by Satori:
From JSO's Review by Barancyk
snip*
"The Packers were able to hem in Marion Barber and even Felix Jones. Dallas wasn’t able to run outside like they do against a lot of teams and Matthews was a huge part of that."
I think this quote will be the refrain for the rest of the season, just insert RB name.
Yeah....the left side of the line is just bad. If Spitz can get healthy for next season, then we can have a very solid right side in 10'
The left side should be completely new next season.
The left side should be completely new next season.
Ping,
I appreciate your point. I'll stand by what I posted. I don't disagree with the yardage you posted. Here is something else to consider:
6 plays, 2 rushes 20 yards (first down passes 1/2)
5 plays, 3 rushes 6 yards (first down passes 0/2)
3 plays, 1 rush 2 yards (first down passes 0/1)
3 plays, 2 rush 3 yards first down passes 1/1)
2nd quarter 9:50 left
1 play, 0 rush (first down passes 1/1)
3 plays, 0 rush (first down passes 1/1)
FIRST HALF OVER
Summary: 6 possessions, 21 plays, 8 rushes 31 yards, 13 pass plays
Score: Packers 3, Cowboys 0
Rest of the game: 1 first down rushes, 3 rushes for 14 yards total, >30 passes
(I didn't consider any Romo rushes as "rushes")
After the first 20 minutes of the game they only ran the ball 3 times and gained 14 yards. It was a 10 point game only in the 4th quarter, so it wasn't like they were down by more than a couple of scores and they "had" to abandon the run. The cowboys had plenty of opportunity to establish the run, they basically gave up on the run in the first quarter for some reason.j
[Edit: I corrected a spelling error]
I appreciate your point. I'll stand by what I posted. I don't disagree with the yardage you posted. Here is something else to consider:
6 plays, 2 rushes 20 yards (first down passes 1/2)
5 plays, 3 rushes 6 yards (first down passes 0/2)
3 plays, 1 rush 2 yards (first down passes 0/1)
3 plays, 2 rush 3 yards first down passes 1/1)
2nd quarter 9:50 left
1 play, 0 rush (first down passes 1/1)
3 plays, 0 rush (first down passes 1/1)
FIRST HALF OVER
Summary: 6 possessions, 21 plays, 8 rushes 31 yards, 13 pass plays
Score: Packers 3, Cowboys 0
Rest of the game: 1 first down rushes, 3 rushes for 14 yards total, >30 passes
(I didn't consider any Romo rushes as "rushes")
After the first 20 minutes of the game they only ran the ball 3 times and gained 14 yards. It was a 10 point game only in the 4th quarter, so it wasn't like they were down by more than a couple of scores and they "had" to abandon the run. The cowboys had plenty of opportunity to establish the run, they basically gave up on the run in the first quarter for some reason.j
[Edit: I corrected a spelling error]
Positive - I was drunk at Lambeau and the restrooms weren't too crowded.
quote:Originally posted by Green Crustacean:
Ping,
I appreciate your point. I'll stand by what I posted. I don't disagree with the yardage you posted. Here is something else to consider:
6 plays, 2 rushes 20 yards (first down passes 1/2)
5 plays, 3 rushes 6 yards (first down passes 0/2)
3 plays, 1 rush 2 yards (first down passes 0/1)
3 plays, 2 rush 3 yards first down passes 1/1)
2nd quarter 9:50 left
1 play, 0 rush (first down passes 1/1)
3 plays, 0 rush (first down passes 1/1)
FIRST HALF OVER
Summary: 6 possessions, 21 plays, 8 rushes 31 yards, 13 pass plays
Score: Packers 3, Cowboys 0
Rest of the game: 1 first down rushes, 3 rushes for 14 yards total, >30 passes
(I didn't consider any Romo rushes as "rushes")
[Edit: I corrected a spelling error]
GC
I am not disputing that Dallas gave up on the run we
hen they shouldnt have. Looking at your stats tells me that I am correct in my belief.
6 plays, 2 rushes 20 yards (first down passes 1/2) 10ypc
5 plays, 3 rushes 6 yards (first down passes 0/2) 2ypc
3 plays, 2 rush 3 yards first down passes 1/1) 1.5ypc
I see a trend here, do you? by the way, the second cowboys possesion included a 5 yard run by Barber. the other 2 carries netted 1 yard. also, the first carry of that drive was Barbers 5 yarder.
Basically, i can say that the cowboys gained 25 of their 45 within their first 3 running plays(I am also not including Romo). the rest of the game they had 20 yards, 11 of which came on a run by choice in the 3rd quarter.
I stand by my argument that I agree with Dougherty. The Packers completely< stuffed dallas' run game after the first 3 carries.
Why dallas went away from the run... that is a super question because barber was killing us up to that point...
After the first 20 minutes of the game they only ran the ball 3 times and gained 14 yards. It was a 10 point game only in the 4th quarter, so it wasn't like they were down by more than a couple of scores and they "had" to abandon the run. The cowboys had plenty of opportunity to establish the run, they basically gave up on the run in the first quarter for some reason.j