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Packers put final nail in Wade's coffin. Next up: Childress...
The Keebler elves will welcome him back with open arms.
No one is probably happier about this news then Wade Phillips.
It was like a mercy killing. Things were only going to get worse. He had zero control over that team anymore.
Garrett's probably no better but after building a 1 billion dollar stadium and fans salivating at Jerrah to do something there was really no choice here.
Best thing the cryboys can look forward to is getting a top 3 pick in the 2011 draft.
PS: Wouldn't surprise me a bit if this guy is wearing a Star in 2011
It was like a mercy killing. Things were only going to get worse. He had zero control over that team anymore.
Garrett's probably no better but after building a 1 billion dollar stadium and fans salivating at Jerrah to do something there was really no choice here.
Best thing the cryboys can look forward to is getting a top 3 pick in the 2011 draft.
PS: Wouldn't surprise me a bit if this guy is wearing a Star in 2011
quote:No one is probably happier about this news then Wade Phillips.
No kidding. His post game presser looked like a guy that was looking for a short rope and a tall tree.
Fortunate for the Packers that TT hired MM instead of Wade Phillips.
I still think that Jerry Jones is way to meddlesome, for a high profile coach like Chuckie or Cowher to come to Dallas. Just look at what happen to Bill Parcells.
quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
PS: Wouldn't surprise me a bit if this guy is wearing a Star in 2011
That would be great!....anything to get him out of the MNF booth.
quote:Originally posted by Point Brewmaster:
Fortunate for the Packers that TT hired MM instead of Wade Phillips.
Fell into his lap.
quote:Fortunate for the Packers that TT hired MM instead of Wade Phillips.
Apart from Kubiak, MM, and Payton none of the other HC hires from 2006 are still with their team.
quote:Originally posted by bandit:
I still think that Jerry Jones is way to meddlesome, for a high profile coach like Chuckie or Cowher to come to Dallas. Just look at what happen to Bill Parcells.
Posted this on another thread but Parcells doesn't stay anywhere very long. I actually think Chuckie would like the circus down there. He also won't need to be the head personnel guy. Rip on Jerry all you want as a personnel guy but that team has talent. Chuckie also loves the vets and the Pokes are old.
Well GB started the season by knocking out two QB's maybe they do knock out two head coaches also. I would rather see CKA stay in minniehaha for a long time though but the thought of running out two coaches in two games straight would be good fodder 
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:quote:Originally posted by bandit:
I still think that Jerry Jones is way to meddlesome, for a high profile coach like Chuckie or Cowher to come to Dallas. Just look at what happen to Bill Parcells.
Posted this on another thread but Parcells doesn't stay anywhere very long. I actually think Chuckie would like the circus down there. He also won't need to be the head personnel guy. Rip on Jerry all you want as a personnel guy but that team has talent. Chuckie also loves the vets and the Pokes are old.
What talent do they have????? Dez Bryant, Marcus Spear, DeMarcus Ware, Felix Jones, Andre Guryode. I'd love ot know the talent that you see on that team. They have a few high end decent players, and the rest are just "guys".
But, the point I was trying to make is, do you think Chuckie would be Juh's yes man!!
quote:Originally posted by Rusty:quote:Fortunate for the Packers that TT hired MM instead of Wade Phillips.
Apart from Kubiak, MM, and Payton none of the other HC hires from 2006 are still with their team.
You forgot Chilly.....for now.
quote:Originally posted by PackerRuss:
What talent do they have????? Dez Bryant, Marcus Spear, DeMarcus Ware, Felix Jones, Andre Guryode. I'd love ot know the talent that you see on that team. They have a few high end decent players, and the rest are just "guys".
Well before the meltdown this season, they had a 33-15 record the last few seasons. If they don't have talent, why did they fire Wade? I thought their issue was bad and undisciplined leadership, not talent.
quote:What talent do they have????? Dez Bryant, Marcus Spear, DeMarcus Ware, Felix Jones, Andre Guryode. I'd love ot know the talent that you see on that team. They have a few high end decent players, and the rest are just "guys".
Well, if Chuckie takes over, every player on that team will be "the greatest he's ever seen".
Exactly
quote:Originally posted by bandit:
I still think that Jerry Jones is way to meddlesome, for a high profile coach like Chuckie or Cowher to come to Dallas. Just look at what happen to Bill Parcells.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
Rip on Jerry all you want as a personnel guy but that team has talent
I was under the impression that most of that talent was brought in by Parcells.
Garrett ought to go in there and immediately sheetcan a couple of the marginal starters on both sides of the ball. His best bet at success with this team right now is to use the rest of this season to build for next year (if there is a season next year.
The next thing he needs to do is tell Kitna he is sitting. The season is lost. Why play Kitna when some young back up can get valuable playing time. Hell I would even consider bringing in a couple of other young guys to hold live auditons, because Romo is not their answer at QB.
Romo is Danny White--30 years later.
The next thing he needs to do is tell Kitna he is sitting. The season is lost. Why play Kitna when some young back up can get valuable playing time. Hell I would even consider bringing in a couple of other young guys to hold live auditons, because Romo is not their answer at QB.
Romo is Danny White--30 years later.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:quote:Originally posted by PackerRuss:
What talent do they have????? Dez Bryant, Marcus Spear, DeMarcus Ware, Felix Jones, Andre Guryode. I'd love ot know the talent that you see on that team. They have a few high end decent players, and the rest are just "guys".
Well before the meltdown this season, they had a 33-15 record the last few seasons. If they don't have talent, why did they fire Wade? I thought their issue was bad and undisciplined leadership, not talent.
33-15 with two playoff appearances and one win? I'm just going to say, everyone says what a talented team they are, but what have they done the past few years?
Felix Jones = Nothing (I've had him on my fantasy team)
Romo = Average to Above Average
Spear = Decent Player
Ware = Good Player
Witten = Good Player, declining
OL = In general, they are names, but are all in decline, all 30+.
WR = Roy Williams = Bust, Austin = One Good Year, and now he is paid as a Top 5 WR, Crayton = Gone, Hurd = Guy
LB's = Brookings, old vet, declining, James, Aveage player,
DB's = We know this, they all suck, when you have David Garrard put up 4 TD's, they are NOT GOOD. Last year, everyone was on Mike Jenkins, this year he sucks.
So, where is all this great talent. The team is being paid like they are talented, but being paid like your talented and producing like your talented is two different things.
You forgot Marion Barber. The talented and respected Marion Barber. So I'll add it for you.
Marion Barber = Talented, Respected, Tough.
Marion Barber = Talented, Respected, Tough.
It's interesting--three coaches could be fired after their games against the Pack: Wade is already gone, Childress is one embarrassing home loss from the boot, and Lovie likely won't survive much past that last game at Lambeau.
You guys aren't just hard on Quarterbacks.
B-N-D
You guys aren't just hard on Quarterbacks
.B-N-D
The crazy thing is, we wanted all of those coaches to sign an extension, not severance packages.... 
quote:Originally posted by Rusty:quote:Fortunate for the Packers that TT hired MM instead of Wade Phillips.
Apart from Kubiak, MM, and Payton none of the other HC hires from 2006 are still with their team.
How many other HC vacancies ere there that year?
[/QUOTE]quote:Originally posted by bandit:
I still think that Jerry Jones is way to meddlesome, for a high profile coach like Chuckie or Cowher to come to Dallas. Just look at what happen to Bill Parcells.
This.
Jones has to go back to what he did when he hired Jimmy Johnson and just stay the hell out of his way. When he did that, things worked well.
When Jones meddles and plays GM, you have disasterous moves like trading the farm for Roy Williams.
Problem is most in the Dallas media don't believe Jones will go back to what he did with Johnson.
Therefore he'll continue to be over involved and fu** things up. Let's hope that's what happens.
So what a new coach. The Girls problem is thier GM. Until Jerry gets that Jones guy out of the way this team has no hope. A strong coach will clash will Jones and leave after a couple of years.
Jones will always go with flash for TV rates and love from ESPN when geting players.
Example would the Girls be better of if they trade up over the Packers to get Bulaga instaed of Dez Bryant.
Jones will always go with flash for TV rates and love from ESPN when geting players.
Example would the Girls be better of if they trade up over the Packers to get Bulaga instaed of Dez Bryant.
That was one poorly coached team GB played last night. Wade had lost them a year ago. Look at how many times Capers ran the same blitz with CMIII, Woodson, and a LB coming from the same spot on the right side of the O line and it looked like their coaches never made a single adjustment. Either that or their players are totally clueless, and if so, why wasn't the coach (Garrett) in someone's earhole about picking up that blitz? Even the announcers, while spending all their time on how woeful the 'boys were, mentioned Jenkins (DB) who stepped back on our touchdown and gave our guy a free pass into the end zone.
Kudos to our coaches -- I cannot imagine MM or Capers allowing that crap to continue.
Kudos to our coaches -- I cannot imagine MM or Capers allowing that crap to continue.
I could not agree more about Jerruh and his meddling/incompetent status as the GM. He simply cannot continue with hiring "yes men" if he wants to win he needs football guys in there. Stick to the business side and get a real GM and HC in there until he does that it isn't going to change.
Seriously Jerruh is going to want a big name coach in there for the Cowpies. What big name coach will put up with him? Cowher? Chuckie? I can't see them working for him. So my money is on a big name college coach so Jerruh can feel like he will relive the JJ days. How about this guy as a dark horse the HC at Arkansas (Petrino?)
Seriously Jerruh is going to want a big name coach in there for the Cowpies. What big name coach will put up with him? Cowher? Chuckie? I can't see them working for him. So my money is on a big name college coach so Jerruh can feel like he will relive the JJ days. How about this guy as a dark horse the HC at Arkansas (Petrino?)
Petrino.... 
The guy that quit on the Atlanta Falcons in December???
Jerry is the only guy that would hire him I assure you.
The guy that quit on the Atlanta Falcons in December???
Jerry is the only guy that would hire him I assure you.
quote:Originally posted by The Heckler:
I could not agree more about Jerruh and his meddling/incompetent status as the GM. He simply cannot continue with hiring "yes men" if he wants to win he needs football guys in there. Stick to the business side and get a real GM and HC in there until he does that it isn't going to change.
Seriously Jerruh is going to want a big name coach in there for the Cowpies. What big name coach will put up with him? Cowher? Chuckie? I can't see them working for him. So my money is on a big name college coach so Jerruh can feel like he will relive the JJ days. How about this guy as a dark horse the HC at Arkansas (Petrino?)
No, but I will bet a five dollar bill that he has already hired his head coach, Jason Garrett. Juh threw a lot of money at him when he came back from an interview with the Falcons a couple years ago.
Jones need to keep himself as the GM. Doesn't matter who the coaches.
quote:Originally posted by Hauser:quote:Originally posted by Rusty:quote:Fortunate for the Packers that TT hired MM instead of Wade Phillips.
Apart from Kubiak, MM, and Payton none of the other HC hires from 2006 are still with their team.
How many other HC vacancies ere there that year?
There's also that guy in Minnesota...
All the fans in cowpoke land wanted Wade fired because he was a players coach,easy going guy,they want a coach that throws his weight around,they will soon get their wish if Chucky Cheese gets the job but the Pokes will still lose with Jones running the show.
And Childress, for nowquote:Originally posted by Rusty:quote:Fortunate for the Packers that TT hired MM instead of Wade Phillips.
Apart from Kubiak, MM, and Payton none of the other HC hires from 2006 are still with their team.
I worked as an intern at the Cowboys' Summer Camp. I had car issues, and ended up getting there about two hours after it had started. It looked like a war zone. There were pages and towel boys huddled in dark masses under benches, crying and holding and rocking and praying together.
Smoke was everywhere, always clawing at your face and yet coming from some distant location off over the horizon. When I finally found someone wearing one of our intern badges from a lanyard I made my way past desperate players. They were all desperate. The up-and-comers were looking for a chance to be on the big screen in the stadium, to bask in the warmth of fame and fortune. The established players were desperate for a way out. A defensive lineman offered to service me in the locker room if I could give him the number to Greg Mattison's office.
When I finally made it to the intern, it was too late, as he was strangling himself with the lanyard. His nature was trying to fend off the inevitable, but his eyes held a story of disillusionment and pain so great he could take his own life. I should have left then.
But I ventured on, looking for a reason for all of this. And then I laid eyes on him. Briefly my mind flashed back to Ghostbusters and I could hear Dan Aykroyd's voice, now as the voice of my own fate.
I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never ever possibly destroy us.
Wade looked normal enough, a wry smile and the posture of a man proud of his accomplishments. And at his right hand I saw a bent over husk of a man, who I think can only be the embodiment of Satan, forever being punished in an eternity of this training camp--and Wade was the heavenly punisher. It was Jerry Jones, clutching at the leg of Wade's sweat pants. He had lost all sanity at seeing what had become of his dream, of his prized possession.
He had cherry lip balm smeared across the bottom of this face, because Wade had wanted him to be his 'fancy boy.' Again and again Jerry could cry out the same thing, and Wade would answer the same way. The conversation was muffled at first, but I could make it out as I cautiously approached them.
"Wade...please...please just run another play to practice. Anything else. Practice the defense maybe?"
"No, Jerry." His voice was emotionless. "We're going to run this again. RUN IT AGAIN, BOYS!"
I looked out to see only the first string offense on the field, their eyes fixed nervously in the middle ground. They feared focusing on anything that was happening, reasoning that their minds wouldn't comprehend what was going on...ever. They simply nodded and lined up again. That's when I noticed one player wasn't a documented starter.
In that moment, I realized. I realized it all, unfolding simultaneously. I could see it as a grand work, with no real beginning and no real end. It would stretch out for all eternity. I stood still, and watched this unfold time and time again. It was hours before I finally began to step away, saving what was left of myself.
They ran the pitch to Tashard Choice. And he would run up the field without a defense present, and he'd cross the goal line to have Wade cry out, "I did it! I won on Thanksgiving!" And Jerry would nod quietly between sobs. Choice would run back, and Jones would ask if they could practice something else.
But nothing else ever came.
Smoke was everywhere, always clawing at your face and yet coming from some distant location off over the horizon. When I finally found someone wearing one of our intern badges from a lanyard I made my way past desperate players. They were all desperate. The up-and-comers were looking for a chance to be on the big screen in the stadium, to bask in the warmth of fame and fortune. The established players were desperate for a way out. A defensive lineman offered to service me in the locker room if I could give him the number to Greg Mattison's office.
When I finally made it to the intern, it was too late, as he was strangling himself with the lanyard. His nature was trying to fend off the inevitable, but his eyes held a story of disillusionment and pain so great he could take his own life. I should have left then.
But I ventured on, looking for a reason for all of this. And then I laid eyes on him. Briefly my mind flashed back to Ghostbusters and I could hear Dan Aykroyd's voice, now as the voice of my own fate.
I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never ever possibly destroy us.
Wade looked normal enough, a wry smile and the posture of a man proud of his accomplishments. And at his right hand I saw a bent over husk of a man, who I think can only be the embodiment of Satan, forever being punished in an eternity of this training camp--and Wade was the heavenly punisher. It was Jerry Jones, clutching at the leg of Wade's sweat pants. He had lost all sanity at seeing what had become of his dream, of his prized possession.
He had cherry lip balm smeared across the bottom of this face, because Wade had wanted him to be his 'fancy boy.' Again and again Jerry could cry out the same thing, and Wade would answer the same way. The conversation was muffled at first, but I could make it out as I cautiously approached them.
"Wade...please...please just run another play to practice. Anything else. Practice the defense maybe?"
"No, Jerry." His voice was emotionless. "We're going to run this again. RUN IT AGAIN, BOYS!"
I looked out to see only the first string offense on the field, their eyes fixed nervously in the middle ground. They feared focusing on anything that was happening, reasoning that their minds wouldn't comprehend what was going on...ever. They simply nodded and lined up again. That's when I noticed one player wasn't a documented starter.
In that moment, I realized. I realized it all, unfolding simultaneously. I could see it as a grand work, with no real beginning and no real end. It would stretch out for all eternity. I stood still, and watched this unfold time and time again. It was hours before I finally began to step away, saving what was left of myself.
They ran the pitch to Tashard Choice. And he would run up the field without a defense present, and he'd cross the goal line to have Wade cry out, "I did it! I won on Thanksgiving!" And Jerry would nod quietly between sobs. Choice would run back, and Jones would ask if they could practice something else.
But nothing else ever came.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
Petrino....
The guy that quit on the Atlanta Falcons in December???
Jerry is the only guy that would hire him I assure you.
My point exactly!