What are your impressions of Perry and Worthy?

I did not see enough of them to have alot of hope that these two guys will be a huge positive impact for the Packers "D" next season. From what I did see...I will be surprised to see one or both become a major force (ie., Matthews, Shields or Hayward) for the "D" in 2013.

What about long term, GBP1?

Worthy always had a nasty side at Michigan State, and I really hope that he can bring some of that to the defense going forward. They need somebody like that. Wayne Simmons had it back when we won it all in 1996, and I don't know if we've had it since.

Both are raw talents right now and haven't come close to their potential. Worthy had a solid yet low key season IMO, but he needs to improve on the physical side. He needs to get stronger and improve his technique.

Initially I was disappointed in Perry. He wasn't making the splash plays we saw at USC. He was really solid against the run though. He set the edge well, he was not out of position, and he finished. I think he needs to drop some weight because he looked heavy footed IMO. Definitely has major upside though.

We have a real nice linebacking corp in the making with Matthews, Perry and Bishop. If we can upgrade Hawk in the draft, we're set. Moses and Jones give us some good depth.

I expected Jerel to take some plays off.

Thanks Al-RatPack-Ya.

Other than the injuries, I thought they performed very well for rookies.

The challenge is improving in year 2 & the final leap to year 3.

I hope Worthy's injury doesn't hold him out too long. It would be ok to have him start the season on PUP missing the first 6 games if he isn't physically ready by the start of training camp.

I like Perry quite a lot more than most Packer fans seem to. Like GD pointed out, he was solid vs the run. That skill set would have been very nice to have on the field vs kaepernick the other night I think.

According to Kevin Greene it's all about motivation and attitude if Perry will be a big success per the link in todays JSO:

Motivation & Attitude

They are awesome when not injured. If they aren't injured this team doesn't give up record setting performances of ineptitude. I only wish they could have played against AZ in 2009 and all season in 2010 and in the game last weekend. And the playoff game last January against NYG.

It's been posted here several times and I think I saw the same thing with Perry. He's strong as a mf and can set the edge on the "run side" of the D but struggled in coverage. He showed one good/great club move rushing the passer. As a rook trying to convert from DE to OLB, I think he looked as good as you can expect, maybe a little better considering he did get to the QB with his limited repetoire - in the limited time he played. It really sucks that he got hurt because TT may still not quite know if we're set at that position or not.

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Originally posted by DurangoDoug:
Motivation & Attitude

And that's why some were comparing him to Gholston. Some scouts felt if Gholston had actually tried and gave a sh**, he'd still be in the NFL. I agree with Greene. If Perry comes in with a chip on his shoulder similar to what Mike Neal had going into 2012, I think he could have a great year.

A new draft class in 2013 will help that position as well. Bishop returning at ILB and good grief if Hawk can finally be replaced that can only help all of the DL.

Matthews to MLB

Don Driver takes over for Murphy

Manti Teo and his imaginary GF to Center...all our probs solved

Flag. twelve men on the field.

My impressions..

"Ow, my knee hurts."

"I play when I want to"

Perry's hit on Luck was my favorite of the season, even if it did draw a flag. Both have a ways to go, but glimpses of potential were there. I was probably just as impressed with Mike Daniels as I was Worthy.

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Originally posted by Fond Du Arrigo:
I like Perry quite a lot more than most Packer fans seem to. Like GD pointed out, he was solid vs the run. That skill set would have been very nice to have on the field vs kaepernick the other night I think.

He showed some very promising ability as a pass rusher, and he looked good against the run. Based on the way he was playing over the beginning of the season, I was kinda expecting him to be an every down player by the end of the season as he grew as a player. It was a huge letdown when he went on IR. Getting him and Bishop back will help, but they still would be well advised to take another OLB somewhere after the first round (3rd or 4th would be optimal). As far as Worthy goes, I think he's a good player, and I hope he takes more snaps from Neal and Wilson next year. I think Neal is a good pass rusher that can compliment Matthews pretty well in some situations, but he's not a well rounded player. Having a guy like Worthy to push him will only help him.

they looked like rookies

Carbon based life forms.

simians

Tool using humaniods.

racist

I don't think either was an ideal pick but when you need defense as bad as we did you take the best you can get. At worst they can hold the fort until you get more talent in here.

Those quotes by Greene are definitely a message being sent. If there's a guy worth drafting early I wouldn't be opposed to having real high quality competition at OLB. Can never have enough impact guys there and I never want Erik Walden to be one injury away from starting here again. We all know where that leaves us.

I do think Moses is going to progress nicely. That kid has the drive and the smarts to do it. He's one of those guys that impresses me with every interview and always gives effort. Can't wait to see his jump. May never be a top line starter but he'll always be pushing that guy to keep his job.

Sucks that Worthy is dinged right now. That's really going to hurt his OTA and conditioning jump. It's always tough for Dline to make a year one impact. I think he did a pretty decent job. Certainly didn't flop or give cause for worry.

It's a shame when a guy with a work ethic like Mike Daniels isn't as physically gifted as a guy like Worthy. Switch body types and he'd be a monster (but drafted too high for the Packers to get him most likely). He's not the biggest guy but finds a way to contribute.

Biped subsetters.

There's clear talent with both guys, but they both need a lot of work. I think maybe each guy would be more natural in a 4-3, but have to learn Capers 3-4 skills.

Perry, you could see he has very good straight ahead acceleration and some closing speed. His lateral agility wasn't impressive and he needs to work on that plus some more pass rush moves. I thought Des Moses looked like he had a greater variety of moves and skill than Perry, but doesn't have Perry's straight ahead burst or strength.

Worthy looked pretty quick, but really seemed to struggle holding up to NFL blockers. I wasn't as impressed with him as I thought I would be, but he wasn't terrible.

I'll throw in the "small sample size" cliche' here.
There wasn't enough time for either of them to get a complete grade, but they should have every opportunity to compete and contribute.
They will essentially be rookies next year, but both of them gained valuable game time experience that should give them a leg up for TC.
Perry should be able to make the most impact, and do it quicker. With our OLB situation, the door is wide open for him.
Unfortunately, Worthy has greater potential to be even further behind, depending on injury/rehab/etc. It'd going to be hard for him to develop if he's going to miss significant time via PUP or the DIR.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:


Those quotes by Greene are definitely a message being sent.

I couldn't help being a little bit unsettled that Greene seemed to think it was necessary to mention in every single paragraph that it all depends on whether Perry wants it badly enough or not. You'll never see him talking about Matthews like that. Not exactly glowing praise. Hope Perry brought his copy of the paper into the house this morning.

That crossed my mind too, Salmon Dave.

Greene's right, of course. He knows what it takes better than anyone. So he could be speaking in generic terms here. They are all physical specimens, it is that "drive" he's talking about is what separates the great ones. Greene could just be stating that truism here.

Still, it makes you wonder why he needed to emphasize it so much, like maybe it is lacking in Perry or there is some reason he needs to be reminded like that.

Either way, Kevin Greene sounds like a great coach.

Speaking of Worthy...Here are some of Bad Bob McGinn's observations in his latest article:

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In late April, Thompson was looking for a big man to reinforce a sagging run defense and interior pass rush. Finally, he traded up, but it was too late because the defensive end that he wanted, Connecticut's Kendall Reyes (6 feet 4 inches, 300 pounds), had gone No. 49 to San Diego.

His selection, Jerel Worthy (6-2½, 305), had shown pass-rushing quickness at Michigan State but some scouts said he was too short to play in the 3-4 defense and didn't have a block-eater's mentality.

The Packers took Worthy No. 51 over Devon Still (6-5, 301), a point-of-attack force for Penn State who went No. 53 to Cincinnati, where he seemed slightly miscast in a 4-3.

Worthy showed little in training camp, decided to drop a load of bad weight and kept getting pushed back against the run. In other words, he was soft, too. By the way, Reyes had an impressive first season.

So what's your ****ing point besides copy and paste? Get a ****ing opinion.

I sent a PM to tit requesting your addition to the Subset.

Dick.

Oops... I have been advised you're the founding member. Carry on sir.

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Still, it makes you wonder why he needed to emphasize it so much, like maybe it is lacking in Perry or there is some reason he needs to be reminded like that.

Reminds me of how on numerous occasions on Rodger's radio show when he's asked about the running backs he praises Benson for his work ethic and how detailed he is. If it happened once it would be a compliment, but after hearing it about Benson 3 or 4 times and never hearing Rodgers say anything about Green or Stark's work ethic you get the feeling a message is being sent without explicitly saying it.

It's tough to critique TT for either pick. Sometimes you're left picking what's there instead of what you really want. I think if TT feels there's an impact guy at either spot he'll have no problem moving Perry or Worthy into the rotation behind them. Lord knows they've had enough injuries to keep quality depth on their minds.

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So what's your ****ing point besides copy and paste? Get a ****ing opinion.

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Originally posted by GBP1:
I did not see enough of them to have alot of hope that these two guys will be a huge positive impact for the Packers "D" next season. From what I did see...I will be surprised to see one or both become a major force (ie., Matthews, Shields or Hayward) for the "D" in 2013.

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Originally posted by titmfatied:


It's tough to critique TT for either pick. Sometimes you're left picking what's there instead of what you really want. I think if TT feels there's an impact guy at either spot he'll have no problem moving Perry or Worthy into the rotation behind them. Lord knows they've had enough injuries to keep quality depth on their minds.

Exactly the way I see it. If either or both of these guys turn out to be impact players, great. But I think the minimum top end for both of them would be that they'll end up as solid rotational players who can step in and start in case of injury, without too much dropoff. If that's where they top out, I'll take it.

I have no doubt Ted is targeting both positions again this year, probably no later than Round 3 or 4, and maybe even Round 2 if he sees the right guy hanging around. There should be some good players to choose from. At the very least, Perry and Worthy should have some young competition to push them a bit (although Worthy's Mystery Injury adds an element of uncertainty to the equation), and if we find someone good enough to push them aside, we'll be a much better team for it. We still need a lot of DL help, and a 34 team can never have too many good linebackers.

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I think the minimum top end for both of them would be that they'll end up as solid rotational players who can step in and start in case of injury, without too much dropoff. If that's where they top out, I'll take it.

So long as there's impact talent in front of them I could live with that as well, but I'd imagine you'd be disappointed somewhat like I would. First and second rounders that only provide that level of play have a way of dragging your team's success down with it. Got to find stars somewhere somehow

There's plenty of good football players and good football players get us to exactly where we are right now. Good enough to make the playoffs but real sketchy towards the final push.

Looked like rookies at the beginning and looked like injured rookies at the end of the year.

Some bone bruise.

@AdamSchefter: Robert Griffin III, Chris Clemons weren't only ones to undergo ACL surgery with Dr. James Andrews. Packers 1st-rd pick Jerel Worthy also did.

Worthy a 1st rounder pick eh. Does TT know about this?

Perry: Strong but slow.
Worthy: Fast but weak.