What good does reviewing all scores do if they're getting it wrong??

lambeausouthMember

Seriously, NFL. What are you doing?

You institute a rule where all scoring plays are being reviewed, at least all touchdowns are. Not sure about safeties.

I'm watching the highlights on Football Night in America, and the touchdown by Darren Sproles in the Saints-Bears game is obviously not a score. It's so clear that he stepped out of bounds. The broadcasters saw it. I saw it in one take...how can the NFL guys reviewing the play..with the ability to slow it down, get different angles...mess it up? This comes after seeing the league completely f it up after Newton hit Brandon LaFell. LaFell didn't maintain clear possession of the ball, and he only got one foot down. Stevie Wonder could have gotten that call right, but somehow the NFL blows that one, too. They give the Panthers 6, yet they don't give Jermichael Finley a touchdown when it's clear he had possession, and the ground caused the ball to pop out of his arms.

The level of incompetence demonstrated by the refs in the NFL is achieving new heights.

9/18/116:54 PM

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IowacheeseKeen Insight

I try not to care so much about the dum dum officials....

9/18/116:55 PM

FreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?

I didn't see the Sproles play but the LaFell and Finley plays were ruled correctly according to the current rules.

But I really don't care so much.

9/18/116:57 PM

Blair KielGOOD OL' FAKE BLAIR KIEL - My Hood? nice Henry. Fuck You!

I could care less.

9/18/117:00 PM

lambeausouthMember

quote:
Originally posted by FreeSafety:
I didn't see the Sproles play but the LaFell and Finley plays were ruled correctly according to the current rules.

But I really don't care so much.

How can it be "correct" when the receiver only got 1 foot in bounds? There's no longer a push out rule. You have to be in bounds with possession, and both feet down. He didn't.

9/18/117:06 PM

HenryYou rang?

quote:
Originally posted by FreeSafety:
I didn't see the Sproles play but the LaFell and Finley plays were ruled correctly according to the current rules.

But I really don't care so much.

Agreed. BTW LS, that avatar is ****ing annoying. Nothing personal, it just flat out sucks.

9/18/117:09 PM

lambeausouthMember

In the context of when it was changed, it felt right, but ya, it is annoying, isn't it?

I'll change it.

9/18/117:11 PM

HenryYou rang?

As far as Lafell, I didn't see any replays that clearly showed he was out. It originally looked like the first foot down had his toe on the line but I never saw a angle that showed it was.

It's just one of those calls. I forgot about the stupid Calvin Johnson rule on Finley's TD but it was called correctly whether we like the rule or not.

9/18/117:15 PM

CoPackFanMember

quote:
Originally posted by Henry:

It's just one of those calls. I forgot about the stupid Calvin Johnson rule on Finley's TD but it was called correctly whether we like the rule or not.

Yup - but in the Patsies game, Aaron Hernandez catches a TD, goes to the ground and the ball is ripped out of his hands. Yet the refs don't even go to the replay on that one - touchdown stands.

Crazy, confusing rule. If the ground can't cause a fumble in the field of play, rules should be the same in the endzone.

9/18/117:20 PM

JJSDSitzpinkler Schadenfreude

Lousy rules lead to crappy calls. This is a terrible rule. I don't understand why, if as soon as a guy gets two feet down in the EZ with control of the ball the play isn't over. That sure seems a lot simpler than requiring a guy to keep the ball all the way to the plane ride home. Just a dum rule, and it's clear by the inconsistent way it's called around the league that it's confusing for the refs as well.

9/18/117:22 PM

HenryYou rang?

I didn't see the Pats game, I was stuck with the Dolphins. Was the ball ripped out of his hands by a defender or did it bounce out like Finley's catch?

9/18/117:23 PM

Grave DiggerMember

I thought LaFell's heel was out of bounds, not that it matters much because we won. He had his left foot down, but he didn't have control. He got his right foot down, with control, and then his left came down with his heel OOB.

Finley's TD was tricky because I'm still not 100% clear about what the process of the catch includes (is anyone?). He caught it, appeared to have control the entire way down and then right at the end after he was completely down it bobbled out. I would have said it was a TD because I'm a Packer fan, but if I wasn't I think a case could be made, based on the new rules, that it wasn't.

But I agree that Sproles' TD was shameful. He was absolutely OOB at the 1, I don't know how the ref standing right there didn't see it. I think since Lovie Smith didn't say anything or challenge it, it was just easier to let it go for the replay official. If all TD's are reviewed, the replace official needs glasses.

9/18/117:24 PM

ammoCheese Master

His left foot may have been OOB but no camera angle showed that so the TD had to be called good.

9/18/117:26 PM

CoPackFanMember

quote:
Originally posted by Henry:
I didn't see the Pats game, I was stuck with the Dolphins. Was the ball ripped out of his hands by a defender or did it bounce out like Finley's catch?

He went to the ground with the ball and it looked like it may have "shifted" a bit, and then it was ripped by the defender. Close call, but no look from the refs.

9/18/117:29 PM

lambeausouthMember

The Sproles TD was a real obvious miss.

I know that looking for consistency might be asking too much.

Best way to take the referees out of the game is to play well. We've had a few rough weeks defensively, but I think the unit will solidify. Once that happens, let's just take care of business, and our fate won't be in the hands of some numbskull up in the review booth.

9/18/117:31 PM

FreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?

The process of a catch requires the receiver to maintain control of the ball long enough to perform an act common to the game (a football move).

Falling is not a football move, therefor you must have control after a fall so that you could theoretically get up and perform an act common to the game.

Basically they have to control the ball throughout the fall to the ground.

9/18/117:32 PM

HauserMember

and I think if Finley's play had been ruled a TD, it wouldn't have been overturned on the review. That's because I think there's such a gray area on that rule

9/18/117:32 PM

The GBP RulesMember

I still don't know how Finley's play isn't a TD. Makes zero sense. It wasn't even a bang bang play like the Johnson call that started this whole mess. He took 4 steps, landed on his butt and had his elbow on the ground before the ball came out. But if the ball had been hit out by the defender it would have been a TD? Because that's exactly what happened on the Hernandez play.

Also, Sproles was clearly out and if they're supposed to review every scoring play it had to be reviewed. Not like it mattered much but the consistency on these rules is seriously lacking.

9/18/117:36 PM

lambeausouthMember

quote:
Originally posted by FreeSafety:
The process of a catch requires the receiver to maintain control of the ball long enough to perform an act common to the game (a football move).

Falling is not a football move, therefor you must have control after a fall so that you could theoretically get up and perform an act common to the game.

Basically they have to control the ball throughout the fall to the ground.

I agree that falling in and of itself is not a football move, but the rest of the time, contact and a knee down means the play is over.

If a receiver has possession in the endzone, has been touched, and his knee has touched the ground, then whatever he does from that point forward should not matter in my humble opinion.

9/18/117:38 PM

Green CrustaceanCrabby Member

I agree there are some dumb rules that lead to bad calls. Related to your topic, I think replay shows have the benefit of time to process all of the relevant tape whether official or not official. I found the replay of the sideline play (Sproles?) play strange in terms of the camera location. Was it an edited (an expanded region from a larger frame of reference) official tape? Is it possible that there are also unofficial tapes from sideline photographers/videographers that find their ways onto replay shows? If it was edited, how long did it take to edit the video? What is the time limit for a review? Do they have time to sift through all of that video on a reproducible basis? Stupid rule that allows the replay shows to be devil's advocates.

9/18/117:49 PM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

quote:
Originally posted by FreeSafety:
I didn't see the Sproles play but the LaFell and Finley plays were ruled correctly according to the current rules.

But I really don't care so much.

Patriots / Chargers game. Aaron Hernandez with a TD "catch" & as he went to the ground the ball came out. By rule he didn't complete the catch, yet the TD stood.

It's inconsistent from game-to-game and week-to-week just the way the NFL wants it so they can control the games with human error/interaction.

9/18/117:55 PM

FreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?

Hernandez catch counted because he is on my FF team.

9/18/117:58 PM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

Haha Nice

9/18/118:24 PM

GBFanForLifeLarge Member

It seems to me that on close calls the referees are calling it a touchdown on the field because they know all scoring plays are reviewed.

9/19/116:13 AM

titmfatiedNo Code

quote:
Originally posted by FreeSafety:
The process of a catch requires the receiver to maintain control of the ball long enough to perform an act common to the game (a football move).

Maybe I'm not remembering correctly and I couldn't find the video anywhere, but I thought he caught it, got two feet down and took another step before he fell. If that's the case, isn't the third step the football move he needed to make it a completion?

9/19/116:24 AM

ammoCheese Master

But remember tit, for some odd reason that only the NFL higherups understand a TD ( A reception in the end zone more specifically) is treated differently than a regular reception. It is also treated different than a RB crossing the goal line with the ball.

9/19/116:55 AM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

quote:
Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Falling is not a football move,

True, falling is a soccer move.

9/19/118:44 AM

danhandyMember

I'm still confused about the interpretation of the rule in the Lafell TD. He got one foot down twice, but I thought the rule actually read "both feet". Can anyone find the actual reading of the rule?

9/19/119:58 AM

Satori"...going where the climate suits my clothes"

The rule states :

"The broadcast networks in conjunction with the League will decide which touchdowns are actually touchdowns and which ones are not"

"Boosting the ratings and keeping viewers tuned-in until deep into the 4th quarter will trump all other considerations as we gradually move toward a completely scripted season for the enjoyment and safety of our players and fans alike "

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The coaches can no longer challenge on any scoring plays, its all decided behind the scenes

We've given over control of the NFL game to people with a significant monetary interest in the outcome ..... yeah, that'll work well.

9/19/1110:28 AM

BrainDedMember

If the Megatron TD in week 1 last year is the correct interpretation of the rule, then no, that was not a TD for J-Mike.

Sproles, yeah, that was a bad miss.

9/19/1110:31 AM

FandameMember

Either way, the mandatory reviews suck. It just slows the game down even more and makes the refs squirrely. So many of the refs are now hesitant about making a call in the EZ. I think it's just stupid to review every TD, especially the obvious ones. I've seen it where the guy catches the ball and falls on his back with control... and they still review it. Why bother? They've taken the flow of the game away. Next year they'll probably want to review holding calls...

9/19/1111:13 AM

missingU92Member

quote:
Originally posted by lambeausouth:
quote:
Originally posted by FreeSafety:
I didn't see the Sproles play but the LaFell and Finley plays were ruled correctly according to the current rules.

But I really don't care so much.

How can it be "correct" when the receiver only got 1 foot in bounds? There's no longer a push out rule. You have to be in bounds with possession, and both feet down. He didn't.

Matter of opinion I guess. I listened to the game on radio and Wayne & Larry stated it was a good catch.

9/19/119:49 PM

CHEEZEMember

What I do not understand is if review is mandatory how can they not have permanent cameras at the goal lines, along the sidelines and the end lines from both directions on both end zones at the very least? The flaw is that they many times have no really good camera angle and are dependent on camera angles that are less than optimal for determining if a ball goes over the end line or inside the pylon. You would think that they could put up a system of unmanned cameras that take a crap ton of film at different angles at different positions rather than two or three total maybe but probably not usable angles on a single play inside the end zone.

9/20/113:46 AM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

Good idea CHEEZE.

Thing about the Finley call is it was called a non catch to start so not a mandatory review. The mandatory is for scoring plays...

9/20/115:53 AM

TdogProspective Member

exactly CHEEZE.
anyone see pro tennis lately? they can review where the ball landed anywhere on the court. yet the NFL can't be bothered with such technology?

9/20/117:41 AM

TDMember

Thinking the same thing. Lefell's other foot was OOB's but yet, the NFL doesn't have a clear showing of it. Figures.

And the Hernandez TD was a complete farce. The ball wasn't in his arms as long as Finley's yet it was ruled a TD.

9/20/115:53 PM

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