Two things
1) Any guesses how long it takes antiworst to climax after a loss?
2) Anyone want to wager a guess who tscmck wanted Ted to draft last year with his first round pick?
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Positive: The nightmare season is finally over.
Negative: Capers hasn't been fired yet.
Struggling to determine the best take on Capers. Obviously, "room temperature" is a front runner, but "He's an amazing defensive coordinator as long as he has Nick Collins" might be a darkhorse.
What not good. Almost everything.
What good. AR12 will have a strong voice for change.
Interesting fact-
The Packers have missed the playoffs 100% of the time Jeff Janis! has been denied at least one jet sweep
More important to the Packers:
a) Green Bay needs a dome
b) Green Bay needs a traditional owner
c) Green Bay needs to change uni colors.
I'll hang up and wait for your answers.
Not good, MM still the HC.
NEG: Piss poor effort by HHCD on the Golladay TD and all the other plays he only gave a half hearted effort in this season. Draft a Safety. Williams has dropped more passes than he has caught, making M Bennett look good. Sort of. Not really. Draft a RB that can catch or have a coach actually coach Williams in that art.
POS: Callahan got to play-- For only the last two minutes! WTF? Draft a QB and ditch Hundley. Bye to Dom. Lots of draft picks to think about in the off season, which starts now. Now, I know what viking fans have felt like for the past 40 years and yes, the vikings suck.
Enjoying NFL RedZone channel.
Hey, EL-KA BONG! I know it's a little late but another streaming site people have told me about is buffstream.com. I haven't used it as sportsarefree.xyz has been there for me.
Badgers won
MM only pawn in game of life.
mrtundra posted:NEG: Piss poor effort by HHCD on the Golladay TD and all the other plays he only gave a half hearted effort in this season. Draft a Safety. Williams has dropped more passes than he has caught, making M Bennett look good. Sort of. Not really. Draft a RB that can catch or have a coach actually coach Williams in that art.
POS: Callahan got to play-- For only the last two minutes! WTF? Draft a QB and ditch Hundley. Bye to Dom. Lots of draft picks to think about in the off season, which starts now. Now, I know what viking fans have felt like for the past 40 years and yes, the vikings suck.
Disagree about Haha.
Yes he sucked this year but he isn't a poor player.
There is a ton of internal issues at 1265.
Time to flush them all down the crapper
I held out some hope Hundley had some upside. He has none. He'll be a camp body in 2018 but really he's not a viable option as a number 2 QB. 3 years in the system didn't do shi*.
As for HHCD, I really hope we will hear about an unsdisclosed infected 3rd nipple injury that ate into his shoulder preventing him from giving a damn. Short of that, the Packers should be ready to move on. His effort today and much of the season is flat out embarrassing.
Mike McCarthy got a little testy when I asked whether he thought offensive players looked demoralized going two games with 1 TD under Hundley. "No, I donât. And itâs not apparent. And if anybody tells you so, heâs full of s--- .We donât have that nonsense in our culture."
â Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) December 31, 2017
We were surely demoralized!
MMâs response is demoralizing. Know that your team looks like it quit.
Team quit? NONSENSE....... -4 in TO differential, especially on the road = blowout, no matter who it is....... every time. Agree about HHCD, IMHO, he is the biggest individual player disappointment of the year. Last year AR & others were talking about him emerging as a leader, etc. does not look or act like the same guy this season.
de-nile isn't just a river in Egypt
Regarding HHCD, IMHO I think he regressed this year because he did not want to get the 5th year option applied to him this year, which the Packers did. So he's under contract through next year before he can get the big free agency deal. He likely wanted the guaranteed big up front money deal after this season. So, in effect he played not to get hurt this year with a corresponding loss of productivity. Or he wants out of GB and by picking up the option the Pack forces him to stay at least another year. Just my possible explanation for his regression.
So, Lose Rodgers, don't try anymore?
That's fine professionalism right there.
I think a lot of what DD says is accurate.
Business decision for Haha this year.
I guarantee with a new DC & healthy Rodgers, Haha will play MUCH better.
I just shake my head watching Micah Hyde & Casey Heyward play. Pisses me off.
Hungry5 posted:HaHa gave up...
Does AR play D?
AR doesn't play D, but he could probably coach it better than Dom.
Heck, almost any of us could coach it better!
DurangoDoug posted:Regarding HHCD, IMHO I think he regressed this year because he did not want to get the 5th year option applied to him this year, which the Packers did. So he's under contract through next year before he can get the big free agency deal. He likely wanted the guaranteed big up front money deal after this season. So, in effect he played not to get hurt this year with a corresponding loss of productivity. Or he wants out of GB and by picking up the option the Pack forces him to stay at least another year. Just my possible explanation for his regression.
5.6 million next year vs. these salaries:
Mathieu: 5 years, 62 million, 21 million guaranteed
Harrison Smith: 5 years, 51 million, 28 million guaranteed
Devin McCourty: 5 years, 48 million, 22 million guaranteed
Chancellor: 4 years, 40 million, 20 million guaranteed
Easy for us to talk about how he shouldn't affect his play, but the Packers picking up that option cost him at least 12-15 million guaranteed money. Nick Collins, lost 10s of millions based on one freak play. It has to be hard to put that out of your mind -especially playing out the string for a lousy team.
Like I said....business decision
After thinking about it, I don't fault Dix. Same old soft zone D, and the erratic Hundley.
MichiganPacker2 posted:DurangoDoug posted:Regarding HHCD, IMHO I think he regressed this year because he did not want to get the 5th year option applied to him this year, which the Packers did. So he's under contract through next year before he can get the big free agency deal. He likely wanted the guaranteed big up front money deal after this season. So, in effect he played not to get hurt this year with a corresponding loss of productivity. Or he wants out of GB and by picking up the option the Pack forces him to stay at least another year. Just my possible explanation for his regression.
5.6 million next year vs. these salaries:
Mathieu: 5 years, 62 million, 21 million guaranteedHarrison Smith: 5 years, 51 million, 28 million guaranteed
Devin McCourty: 5 years, 48 million, 22 million guaranteed
Chancellor: 4 years, 40 million, 20 million guaranteed
Easy for us to talk about how he shouldn't affect his play, but the Packers picking up that option cost him at least 12-15 million guaranteed money. Nick Collins, lost 10s of millions based on one freak play. It has to be hard to put that out of your mind -especially playing out the string for a lousy team.
Thank you for reinforcing my proposition.
Whatever the reason, HHCD has had a HUGE hard-on for Capers this year.
My opinion is it has nothing to do with any of the reasons above. I'm thinking it's something that runs a little deeper. It's too personal, not just simple displeasure with the scheme, calls, or personnel decisions, or other team-related stuff.
It's totally unprofessional, and very disrespectful to teammates, coaches, and the folks that signs his checks.
I think it's a sad fact of life in today's NFL, so he's not alone. Not that it matters...
JMHO.
I said it last week...
Humans not robots
It ain't fantasy football
Plus
I was only able to listen to the game today...not see the travesty.
Season is over...the first time I can remember I have been glad the Packers season is finished.
Capers gone...
Negative
Listening to the game today...it sounded pathetic
MM been there 14 years...time to go...just reading some of his comments want o make me squirm
Hundley...terrible
Packers mgmt better get their heads on straight
NFL and Pro Sports are sinking fast under the weight of all those $$ bills.
GBP1 posted:
.....Listening to the game today...it sounded pathetic...
During the 2nd quarter, I remarked that although they really hadn't played well in the 1st quarter, at least there was a semblance of a team, but that may have been the best we were going to see them play today.
Sadly, that turned out to be true....
Under good, I hope that is the last time I ever have to watch Hundley play QB for the Packers. If they continue to keep him on the roster after that ongoing display of suck it's beyond stupid. He doesn't have it, ain't able to learn it, can't process in real time, plays afraid. Move on, don't waste another hour of time thinking some light is going to go on, put the effort into someone else, cut bait, run away, it's over, turn the page.
Tdog posted:Under good, I hope that is the last time I ever have to watch Hundley play QB for the Packers. If they continue to keep him on the roster after that ongoing display of suck it's beyond stupid. He doesn't have it, ain't able to learn it, can't process in real time, plays afraid. Move on, don't waste another hour of time thinking some light is going to go on, put the effort into someone else, cut bait, run away, it's over, turn the page.
This. Cut him now.
The bad.
The Packers organization is at its' lowest point in 13 years. The record was better this year than in 2008, but when 2008 ended, you knew you had a 25 year old QB who had a chance to become a great one.
The only thing that kept them from being at 2005 levels was how brilliant Rodgers was in those first 5 weeks of the year.
The good.
Rodgers is still around and you'd expect that by next year he should be back to full strength. He's older and he's going to be more vulnerable to injury because of that, but I think his skill level is still going to be great for another 4 or 5 seasons assuming he doesn't have any catastrophic injuries.
They will have a chance to replenish talent a bit now that they are picking in the top half of the draft, assuming they don't F it up.
My first instinct is to say it may take a couple years to recover from this year, they fell so far. But Aaron Rodgers is so good, it doesn't take much to quickly turn this team back into a Super Bowl contender with some tweaks in talent and coaching. Not sure they'll be a legit Super Bowl contender going into next year, but maybe in 2 years if things fall right.
Tdog posted:Under good, I hope that is the last time I ever have to watch Hundley play QB for the Packers. If they continue to keep him on the roster after that ongoing display of suck it's beyond stupid. He doesn't have it, ain't able to learn it, can't process in real time, plays afraid. Move on, don't waste another hour of time thinking some light is going to go on, put the effort into someone else, cut bait, run away, it's over, turn the page.
He's a fine young man - that can't play QB very well in the NFL
He's good in the locker room - but can't play QB very well in the NFL
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It's all good. As long as he's good in the locker room & a fine young man, you can play QB in Green Bay
But MM likes where his quarterback room is at.
fightphoe93 posted:The bad.
The Packers organization is at its' lowest point in 13 years. The record was better this year than in 2008, but when 2008 ended, you knew you had a 25 year old QB who had a chance to become a great one.
The only thing that kept them from being at 2005 levels was how brilliant Rodgers was in those first 5 weeks of the year.
The good.
Rodgers is still around and you'd expect that by next year he should be back to full strength. He's older and he's going to be more vulnerable to injury because of that, but I think his skill level is still going to be great for another 4 or 5 seasons assuming he doesn't have any catastrophic injuries.
They will have a chance to replenish talent a bit now that they are picking in the top half of the draft, assuming they don't F it up.
My first instinct is to say it may take a couple years to recover from this year, they fell so far. But Aaron Rodgers is so good, it doesn't take much to quickly turn this team back into a Super Bowl contender with some tweaks in talent and coaching. Not sure they'll be a legit Super Bowl contender going into next year, but maybe in 2 years if things fall right.
Another "Good"
-- we get 12 picks, 7 in the first 5 rounds, at a higher spot than usual, in this year's draft
I would never root for the Packers to lose but now that they did lose, I wish they would've lost to the Browns & Tampa too.
Drafting at the top of the round while having Rodgers in his prime is so rare
