What? No "What Grade Would You Give To This Draft" Thread Yet?

And that statement by chillijon is exactly why TT picked Monty where he did.

Thanks for clearing that up, we were all wondering

So my opinion on Montgomery has been posted so I'm not going to continue to beat a dead horse.  And he is a Packer now so I'll be rooting like crazy for him to succeed.  

 

But I have a question for everyone on the punt returner position.......why is everyone assuming Montgomery will take over for Hyde?  2 TDs, 15+ yards per return and no fumbles last year is incredible production.  And he was pretty damn good as a rookie too (1 TD, 11 yards per return and no fumbles) so last year wasn't a fluke.  And with Randall and Rollins being such high picks, it's not like Hyde is slated to start on defense.  So why would he be replaced as the primary punt returner?  

       
       
I'm not saying your wrong, I don't think it was a bad pick. I don't think he was drafted ONLY to boost the return game though, I think the fact that he's a returner just made the decision easier. I think Monty will end up justifying his pick just fine, but where I don't agree is where you say his return skills alone will be the reason. Randall Cobb is a fine returner, probably could be every bit as good as Devin Hester if he was focused on that only with no regard to the WR position (as was the case with Hester), but him being a full time returner only would have been a waste of a 2nd round pick. Just my opinion, but I think you have to do more than return kicks/punts to justify a r1-3 pick. Is Cordarrelle Patterson justifying his draft slot? Heck no.

 

Hundley was definitely a big loser in this draft.

 

99% of the time it's just not a good idea to give up college football eligibility to be a fifth round pick.

 

Players picked in the #147 area of the draft last year received guaranteed money of about $200,000 (Ricardo Allen, who was #147 didn't get any guaranteed money, but the players around him received approximately $200,000).

 

If Hundley would have gone back to school and shown a moderate amount of improvement, he could have easily raised his draft stock to the third round.  Last year's mid third rounders received approximately $600,000 in guaranteed money.  There was a chance he would have been worse and dropped his stock even further, but then there is always a chance he would have really blossomed and been a first round pick where he would have earned, at a minimum, Teddy Bridgewater money (just under 5.5 million guaranteed).  Which way would it have gone?  Who knows?  But with as crazy as the league is over quarterbacks, it probably wouldn't have taken very much for him to have earned a much better payday next year.  At stake is 200k, which isn't a huge amount of money when you are 40+ years away from retirement if you're forced to go out and work a normal day job like the vast majority of people.

 

Injury plays no factor in this.  See Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, who will collect a 3 million dollar insurance policy since he wasn't selected within the first three rounds.  If Hundley went back to school and was injured, he'd still get more insurance money than what he will get out of his rookie contract.

 

People can crank up the spin machine and say the business aspect should be completely ignored because Green Bay is the perfect fit...and that's all it would be, complete spin.  I think it's a good fit because McCarthy is an offensive mastermind and extremely quarterback friendly.  But if Hundley could have looked into the crystal ball prior to the draft and seen that he would have been a fifth round pick heading to Green Bay, it's a pretty safe bet that he would have headed back to UCLA and tried to make himself a third round pick or better.  And that has nothing to do with the team or the city or any of that, it just has to do with giving up a chance to be a higher draft pick.

 

Personally I think Hundley was really steered wrong by all the draft experts that started hyping him as a possible mid first rounder about midway through the 2013 season.  They were way off the mark and unfortunately he seems to have believed a lot of what was out there when it wasn't accurate.

 

I do wish the best for the young man, and I'd say the same thing if he was going to be wearing another team's uniform.  And I do give him credit for graduating, so at least he has his degree if the football job doesn't work out.

 Love Randall but he's not in Hester's league as a returner, sorry.

 

WTF.  No regard for the WR position?  The dumb Bears spent 4 years trying to make Hester into a #1 receiver before they figured out he couldn't do it.  I don't know how Hester could have only focused on the return game when he was targeted as a receiver over 90 times each in 2008 and 2009.

 

That being said, Hester would have easily been worth that second round pick even if he never caught a pass from a Bear's quarterback.  Look at all the first and second round picks that teams get absolutely nothing out of.  To get a game-changer like that, regardless if it's offense, defense or special teams, easily merits a second round pick.

 

If Montgomery turns out to be a big nothing in the offense, but can be half the player that Hester was as a return man (Hester has 19 returns for TD, let's say Montgomery ends up with 10) then he'll be worth that pick at the end of round three.

Montgomery could also be used on the defensive of special teams. If he is a great blocker he could also be a great tackler. I can see him busting down field and getting in on many tackles and may well be used there too. Is he the replacement for Jarrett Bush? 

I think we're all kind of saying the same thing about Montgomery from different angles. I think we all agree he can help GB. I think....

 

I'm not on board with the comparison with Cordoroy justifying his draft slot as a returner.  Spielman traded 4 picks to get him at the bottom of round 1. Cordoroy was ****ed from the get go. That's purely on Trader Rick. 

I'm skeptical of how much effort was actually put, either by Hester or the Bears, into shaping Hester in to a legit receiver. It's not about just throwing him the ball, I don't think there was much effort in developing him. There's a reason GB drafts WRs when they already have depth, it's becaus they want to develop them slowly without putting the pressure of being a #1 right away. Same goes for Patterson. I think, in both cases, those players were so talented as returners that teams didn't want to rock the boat and throw them off their return game. That's just my opinion though. James Jones had 14 TDs in 2012 alone as a 3rd round pick and you would be satisfied with a guy having 10 TDs in his career PJ? We should have higher expectations for our picks. If a 3rd rounder is only touching the ball 3 or 4 times a game and scoring 2 TDs for the season I just don't think that's enough. That's fine for a mid-rounder who you only expect to be depth, but a player chosen in the first 3 rounds should be a productive contributor to more than just the return game. He should be returning kicks/punts AND touching the ball on offense and I know he will. He was not drafted to be JUST a returner, he was drafted to be a WR first and a returner second...he may start out as a returner only, but he will be expected to contribute on offense. It was a good pick IMO, I love his potential.

Good lord. Now we're evaluating the importance of receiving TDs opposed to return Tds in regard to draft position. I feel responsible for kick starting this diatribe. 

 

If if you have the best QB in football that has clearly demonstrated the ability to make receivers better than they otherwise might be and you find a receiver with the added skill set to give that same QB better field position and you can pick him up around pick 100 in the draft you do it and don't ****ing question it. ****!!!!!!

Let's just say we agree on the original premise you laid out which is that it was a good pick and Monty is a promising addition. We will just have to go disagree on the value of ST-only players. If you want to go high in the draft you better be worth more than being able to run a kick out to the 30 and score once or twice a year on a punt.

I agree. As for his role, look at Sam Seale's comments... "Like Randall, only bigger." If all pans out I could see him as a Swiss Army knife type lining up as KR/PR, WR, and in the backfield like Cobb has done. He's bigger and faster than Cobb and I can see him running jet sweeps and other plays designed to get him into space with the ball in his hands. All you need to do is successfully demonstrate he can be used like that and it's one more thing opponents will have to game plan for.

 

I admire the ways MM has devised to use Cobb this way but good heavens I grab the edges of my seat whenever I see him used as a running back taking handoffs, he's just not that big. Not true with Monty.

So two fullbacks this season?

Dude is being groomed to be long snapper and none of you have any vision

On a grading scale where: 'A' = Too Early To Tell; 'B' = Time Will Tell; 'C' = I'm Not Telling; and 'D' = William Tell, I'm giving this draft a ¥ .

 

 

 

 

I will always give a draft a grade of a C until we find out what they can do and I prefere to wait a year to give it a grade.  One thing I have learned is don't ever underestimate with TT is doing but he does make me scratch my head sometimes.  He picks a safety who could play corner and he picks a CB who is probably better suited for safety, I KNEW he would pick an offensive player and he did just that with Montgomery, and I was honestly blown away with the Hundley pick. 

 

The one that made me go ugh though was the Rollins pick.  The only reason I thought that was I live not far from UMiami (OH) and that is one horrendous team.  I know that doesn't mean anything in the draft but man I sure was hoping for ILB in that spot.

 

The 2 picks I like now more than this weekend was Hundley and Montgomery.  I never heard of Montgomery but it sounds like he could give us a spark in the return game.  As for Hundley, who better to teach him the pro game than McCarthy?  I can see that pick being a newer version of Hasselbeck.  He lights it up in the preseason and perhaps he could be trade bait down the road.

Apparently Cowherd thinks Ty Montgomery is the home run / steal of this years draft with his return skills and Aaron Rodgers throwing him the ball. Colin loves the pick.

 

So there you go. I couldn't have been more wrong about Ty Montgomery.

NOW I'm worried.  talk about kiss of death...

       
       
I'm picking up on your sarcasm...

Like Diggr's penis?

 

You dislike the one guy who is essentially guaranteed to be a star? How do I know this. Er, his QB will be #12. Hello!

Appreciating the Pack always picked at the bottom of the rounds.  Here is a comparison of round drafted with round predicted, based on the posts here.

 

1 : 2

2 : 2-3

3 : 3-4

4 : 4-5

5 : 4-5

6 : 7 or undrafted

6 : 6-undrafted

6 : undrafted

 

There is a pattern and of course, the prognosticators may be wrong.

Meanwhile, I think Ty Montgomery has the opportunity to get damn close to Hesters league

Mystifying draft all the way around. I'm getting the feeling this draft overall was lower in quality than the past couple. It seems like every player has a lot of holes in his game and everyone is taking a flyer on players, especially past #10. It will be interesting to see in three years how many of these guys are still around in the NFL, much less GB.

Watching his HS highlights...this guy does NOT like to be tackled.  Were they playing flag?

I thought GB had a bad draft?

 

 

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The only provisionary WTF?!?!?! drafts appear to be Buffalo and Carolina.

With a good draft they could have number 1 in a meaningless poll.

        That photo has the logos for three of the top four teams listed, but not the Packers. 

If you notice the small color coordinated arrows next to each logo you'll see that the Patriots and Cardinals have risen (in their estimation) while the Seahawks and Colts have dropped. Prior to the draft, the Seahawks were considered at the top of the rankings, with the Packers second.

Understandable, it's clear now that Brady has repaired his relationship with the teams ballboys.

Post Deflategate....Pats