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Bears' rope-a-dope goes for naught
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By Kevin Seifert Sep 25 10:55 PM ET
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With 1 minute, nine seconds remaining in the game, the Packers called for Tim Masthay to punt toward the left sideline on a fourth-down play at the Bears' 46-yard line. According to receiver/returner Johnny Knox, the Bears "knew he was going to kick it that way because their scheme and what hash they were on."

As a result, Bears special teams coordinator Dave Toub called for a return the team had practiced but obviously not run in a game. Knox, lined up as a "jammer" against Packers "gunner" Jarrett Bush, turned and sprinted down the left sideline at the snap. At the same time, Packers punt returner Devin Hester sprinted toward the right sideline, along with eight Bears blockers.continue


Trick play designed, executed almost perfectly
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By: Larry Mayer | Last Updated: 9/27/2011 4:28 PM
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Several aspects of the deceptive play, which was created by Bears special teams coordinator Dave Toub, had to go exactly as planned for it to work as well as it did.

First, the Packers had to “pooch” punt to their left as they normally have done. The Bears actually tried to run the play while trailing 20-10 late in the third quarter, but Masthay surprised them by punting to his right.

“It works when you know where they’re going to kick the ball,” Toub said. “When they’ve got a consistent tendency of pooching in one direction or the other, then you can try it. That’s why it worked, and that’s why we did it.”

The second element is tricking the gunner on the left side of the formation. It worked to perfection Sunday as Green Bay’s Jarrett Bush peeled off to the right toward Hester.

“The whole key is the deception on the gunner on that side because he’s the one that’s assigned to down the ball,” Toub said. “The punt team is going to cover the returner. So they’re really not looking at the ball at all. They’re going to the returner no matter what. The key was getting Bush tricked.”
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Having a tell like that is inexcusable. This is basic stuff that doesn't happen in 31 other cities. It's way past the point of forgiveness. They're going to let Slocum keep dicking around until it costs them a season with an early playoff exit. MM deserves an absolute grilling from the media at the next presser for his ST Coach letting another embarrassing return happen. We see the results of good coaching all over the field on offense and defense and there's a glaring lack of competence on the special teams.

Maybe they get by with all the other areas of the game excelling but this coaching staff isn't going to remain intact forever. The old saying if you're not getting better you're getting worse doesn't just apply to the players. They need to stop carrying Slocum's dead weight and get someone in there who knows what the heck they're doing for next year. The Packers have assembled a collection of talent that most team's fans don't get to see together in a lifetime. It would be a crying shame if they lose a chance at a title because the head coach is too stubborn to hold a friend accountable for his poor performance. In all my years of watching football I can't remember a single coach doing as poor a job as Slocum. He's simply unfit for the job.
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Hard to believe that Murphy and others at 1265 don't see the same things we see

And surely the players know it too- they aren't being fooled
The best time to make a change was in the offseason, but all the CBA crap meant teams were reluctant to make changes

Slocum needs to be replaced
There's nothing wrong with making a change THIS year.

Problem is MM is busy game planning, etc. Not worrying about the ST coach.

Darren Sproles punt return. Good returns by the Panthers. The near debacle in Chicago. C'mon son. This issue needs to be fixed. Immediately. It's been going on far too long. This isn't a one-time thing. It's a pattern of poor coaching. Hell even Rodgers mentioned how he holds his breath during special teams.
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Don't forget the kick return in the Atlanta playoff game, or the kick return in the SB

GB was fortunate the Steelers had the holding call, otherwise they would have started their first drive from the 45 instead of the 7 yard line

Slocum is not worthy of being a Packer coach anymore
Every week we hear the players praise one of their coaches- have you ever heard anybody say 1 kind word about that small-brain ?
I have no idea if it's happened before, but has an NFL team after winning a SB ever fired a major assistant coach?

Obviously plenty got canned after losing one or a guy gets replaced because he's retiring or he moves to another team (see Jimmy Robinson) but I honestly don't know if it's been done after a team wins a world title.


And when you couple that with the injury excuse machine that get's revved up anytime Slocum is missing a SINGLE player and NO OTA's maybe that's why MM didn't make a move.

But clearly GB can do FAR better. That boneheaded return had nothing to do with him missing personnel. When your opposing team, before the play even starts, can tell exactly what you're going to do it that clearly falls on Slocum..

Lucky for him, we have a good kicker, a good punter, and perhaps the budding of an excellent returner in Cobb. I shudder to think what this unit would be like without those 3 calibur players on his unit.
With kickoff coverage issues basically eliminated by the new kickoff location, all Slocum has to coach is punt coverage---and he can't get that right.

And, does anybody think Slocum could ever dream up a punt return play like that?
The majority of the blame on this play goes squarely on the player. I'm almost positive Slowcum told the guys to "stay in your lanes". Once again Bush gets bushed. For every one great play he has 10 blunders. I think he just used up life #8 on Sunday. One more and he's gone. Put Slowcum and Bush on the same rail out of town.
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Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
That play was utterly embarrassing. I was in shock. If there was no holding penalty, who knows what the hell happens.


They kick the extra point and then attempt an onside kick.
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Originally posted by Hungry5:
Huh? How did Bush not have a good to great game on STs?


Agreed.

Bush was in position to down that punt even after being held. I think the punt went too far to the left which helped the Bears plan even more.

Bush also had a great play on defense with his sack of Cutler.
Bush plays very well 99.9% of the time on Special teams and he played well on that play. Expecting Bush to cover one half of the field by himself isn't fair.

Stop the bleeding. Slocum has to go and NO I don't believe he could ever come up with the plan the Bears had.

I wish we could have/get this guy...



Mike Westhoff. Jets special teams coach for the last 11 years. FYI, he flat out WON the game over the Cowboys with a perfectly executed punt block which the Jets returned for a TD.

I'm sick of $hitty ST's play. Stop the bleeding & Fix the problem!
"This is probably the most questions I've ever had for a play that didn't count"

Super Geenyus

The guy just doesn't get it. Another ST coach works him because his tendancies are pretty blatant. And he gets defensive about it.

How do the Bears run the same play when it's 20-10 and no one see's the gunner for the Bears going away from the punt? Doesn't someone ask why???
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Having a tell like that is inexcusable.


Confused

He threw them off by kicking the other way, against the "tell" earlier, and didn't keep kicking it that way, which would have also been a "tell". I'm no fan of Slocum but this is over-reaction to a great play call and almost perfect execution by the Bears. Slocum may deserve to get ousted for other reasons, but that one is on the players as they're told which way the punt is going.
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MM should've booted Sanders after 2007 and he should've booted Slocum after the Super Bowl, but that's tough to do after great seasons. Of course, he shouldn't have hired either guy in the first place, but that's another story.
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Originally posted by Herschel:
He threw them off by kicking the other way, against the "tell" earlier, and didn't keep kicking it that way, which would have also been a "tell". I'm no fan of Slocum but this is over-reaction to a great play call and almost perfect execution by the Bears.

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“When they’ve got a consistent tendency of pooching in one direction or the other, then you can try it. That’s why it worked, and that’s why we did it.” - Bears ST coordinator Dave Toub

It doesn't necessarily have to be 100% of the time. If we're playing poker and you have a tell on me that works 8 out of 10 times I'll be broke long before the night is over. Slocum has a responsibility to mix up the alignment. That's as basic as it gets on special teams. The good coaches get it and the bad one's wonder why everyone's asking them questions about a TD that didn't count.
I'd be more in agreement if it weren't punting. Against a good returner where you aren't going to flat-out kick it out-of-bounds and you darn sure aren't going to just kick it right down the middle it's going to be a pinning/pooch punt either left or right. Even seven-or-eight-out-of-ten times isn't really an overwhelming trend even if you're using a randomizing algorhythm because it's a 50% chance of it going to either side EVERY time. And the Bears guessed wrong once. It's basically like flipping a coin, if it comes up heads the odds of it coming up heads next time? 50%. There's only two choices. The Packers showed they won't go left every time.

Slocum's done enough other things to make me question his ability but this isn't one of them. There's a reason the Bears have consistently great special teams.
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Originally posted by Timmy!:
Don't forget Logan Mankins KO return to the long list of ST gaffes.


Two years, two plays that made every other fan in the league laugh at us, not to mention that every team's returner in the league salivates at the thought of our special teams. It's disheartening to get a lead and then have to hold your breath for the very next kickoff. No lead is truly safe with our STs.
It isn't that we have a tendency to kick in one direction that made the play work. It was that, despite the fact that the call was kick left, everybody on the team except the punter and Bush went immediately to the right to the returner. That is the tendency that the Bears exploited---that the Packers don't keep their lane assignments, but instead immediately head to (who they believe) will be returning the punts.

While some on the punt team might have thought the punt was mis-hit to the right a little, in this case Hester was on the right side of the field. It should have occurred to some players that was to far over to remotely be a mis-hit.

In addition, the Packers have two players that are 2-3 yards behind the line of scrimmage when the ball is kicked. While the guys on the line blocking may not have the ability to track the ball, and the gunners might be tied up and have similar problems, certainly those two guys should be coached to track the ball direction in case there is a shank. Bush was the only guy on the left, but per his assignment he ran past Knox--and so he was in position on the left, but only to catch or stop a punt before it rolled in the endzone.

Had any Packer player besides punter done their job and stayed in their lanes according to the play call, the play wouldn't have worked.
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There's a reason the Bears have consistently great special teams.


...and there's a reason the Packers have consistently poor special teams. It has nothing to do with the players.

I think Goalline nailed it. The Packers need to add some competitive balance by having crappy special teams. Otherwise they'll waltz through the season 19-0 and collect another trophy in a yawner of a season.
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Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
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Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
That play was utterly embarrassing. I was in shock. If there was no holding penalty, who knows what the hell happens.


They kick the extra point and then attempt an onside kick.

Reagarless, it should never happen. They looked like a Powder Puff team on that play.
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Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
Reagarless, it should never happen. They looked like a Powder Puff team on that play.


I was thinking more along the lines of a high school team, kind of like that "barking dog" play a basketball team used a number of years ago to fool a team for an easy score to win a game.

Yes, we looked that stupid.

BTW, who's the ST coach for Virginia Tech? Beamer's teams always have good STs. Perhaps we can pry him away at the bye week. Big Grin

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