Where's Waldo?

Walden stinks lately. He finished last year strong, but he doesn't hold the edge and isn't getting home on the QB.

Replace him. Move Bishop outside, DJ Smith to Bishop's spot...

Hmmmmmm...might be something to try.

I won't pretend to have intricate knowledge for the 34 defenses, but I don't think MLB's and OLB's are interchangeable positions... at least you don't see it done very often.

You're right, Pakrz, they're not. However Bishop has been an effective blitzer and tough against the run, two attributes we're currently not getting from the OLB opposite Matthews.

Yeah, but offenses are running away from Clay and we need to shake things up a bit.

The game against the Lions will provide the coaching staff with a great opportunity for some defensive experimentation. The team absolutely has to upgrade the OLB opposite Clay and need to give So'oto a shot next week to demonstrate what he can do.

YA - there is zero way you move Bishop outside. You think GB is getting run on off the edges? GB would be seriously gashed if Bishop was moved outside. The solution is to get Hawk off the field and put Smith in. Hawk always seems to be a step late on everything (similar to Peprah in pass defense). Smith playing next to Bishop would completely solidify the middle of the defense. Focus on Bishop during the Lions game - the guy flows so well to the play - really impressive to watch. Smith plays the same way - attacking, not reactive.

The edge opposite cmiii will not be solved this year. It was nice to see Vic get an opportunity last night (as did Lattimore). Not sure either guy did anything overly impressive. Zombo hasn't done much this year either.

To be honest, not having Pickett has been a major issue. Big grease almost always requires two blockers to have a successful running play his way. The DE spot opposite Pickett has also been a joke. Neal hasn't shown up at all. CJ Wilson and Jarius Wynn have both been more impactful than Neal. I hate to say it, but TT seriously whiffed in not re-signing Cullen Jenkins.

The only times I really saw Walden was the back of his jersey as he was chasing a guy around the left end. He never seems to be able to catch anyone. The opponents seem to find that he loses containment often and/or cannot win the edge with his speed.

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To be honest, not having Pickett has been a major issue.

This is the difference in the run dfense- not the LBs. The 3/4 scheme requires big, wide guys that take up blockers up front to free the LBs to make plays. If those guys are on roller skates (as we have seen), the OL gets to the second level and creates cutback lanes as LBs get shielded off.

When Pickett returns (hopefully soon), the Packer run D will improve exponentially.

Bishop and Smith are instinctive players; Hawk isn't. Pairing Smith with Bishop is something the coaches should explore and the Lion game would present a great opportunity to try it out.

I agree, michiganjoe, because I feel somehow we need to get DJ on the field. He was that impressive to me as a rookie when tossed into the mix. What a gem of a pick by TT.

How did he miss not recovering that fumble? All he had to do was fall on it but instead he tried to pick it up and run. He's been brutal as of late and he's been getting sealed inside on running plays including late last week.

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Originally posted by YATittle:
You're right, Pakrz, they're not. However Bishop has been an effective blitzer and tough against the run, two attributes we're currently not getting from the OLB opposite Matthews.

So when Bishop is responsible for dropping into coverage more how is that going to pan out? You just negated your run stopping ability as well as your pass coverage skills.

Bishop is a plugger. He is meant to blow up the last guy up the middle and make the sack or tackle. Bishop one on one outside doesn't have the speed and moves to beat a good LT straight up.

Walden sucks. Sick of seeing him watch the play go by and then plod after it. Dive at the guy, anything!

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Dive at the guy, anything!

That's prety funny.

Walden was a 6th round pick of the Cowboys. What did you all expect?

I agree though, we need a serious upgrade there.

We can't have Frank Gore chewing up the clock in the playoffs while he rushes for 200+

I'm fairly certain the coaching staff will come up with something.

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Originally posted by Music City:

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To be honest, not having Pickett has been a major issue.

This is the difference in the run dfense- not the LBs. The 3/4 scheme requires big, wide guys that take up blockers up front to free the LBs to make plays. If those guys are on roller skates (as we have seen), the OL gets to the second level and creates cutback lanes as LBs get shielded off.

When Pickett returns (hopefully soon), the Packer run D will improve exponentially.

I don't know... Muir looked pretty good last night in spot play.

At LB.

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Originally posted by Boris:

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Dive at the guy, anything!

That's prety funny.

I'd be happy if he took his shoe off and threw it like a girl. Hit him with your purse!

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I'm fairly certain the coaching staff will come up with something.

Yes, but will it be something effective?

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Originally posted by Henry:

I'd be happy if he took his shoe off and threw it like a girl. Hit him with your purse!

Didn't he get arrested for that?

I lost track of him in the 2nd half but CJ Wilson played a pretty good 1st half last nite.

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Originally posted by YATittle:
Walden stinks lately. He finished last year strong, but he doesn't hold the edge and isn't getting home on the QB.

Replace him. Move Bishop outside, DJ Smith to Bishop's spot...

Bishop sucked last night too, though not as much as Hawk. The non-Matthews linebackers were all terrible. Bishop had a nice plug, which was probably the only non-Matthews highlight. Having Bishop in space would not do the defense any favors as that's his weakness. He's a short-area thumper.

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Originally posted by Tdog:
I lost track of him in the 2nd half but CJ Wilson played a pretty good 1st half last nite.

I admittedly didn't stare at the defensive line last night to gauge how well each one played individually. However, when your defense gives up 199 rushing yards something isn't right.... and it normally starts up front. So, I have a hard time thinking ANY defensive lineman played very well last night. Except for Muir.. he was good in spots.

All right, I'll bite.... who's Muir?

Only one in GB I know of was that dlineman who got cut, went somewhere else and was pretty good.

I don't get the joke either. Daniel Muir went to Indianapolis, became a starter there and seemed like a decent player for them. He was cut I believe a few weeks ago, don't know why. Think he's still available. Don't know if he'd fit our 3-4.

Both of you fellas are correct. Muir used to be a Packer (2007?) and was cut. He went onto to play a few seasons with the Colts and was cut by them as well. He was in GB last week for a tryout, wasn't signed and left GB.

Our good friend Music City commented that he watched Muir play in the game against the Bears last night and thought he looked good in limited action.

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Originally posted by Fountainfox:
All right, I'll bite.... who's Muir?

Only one in GB I know of was that dlineman who got cut, went somewhere else and was pretty good.

undrafted FA we signed in 2007. Cut him before the 2008 season and I guess he's been in Indy this year. Not sure why he's being discussed.

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Last night it didnt look like Capers played much base at all. They were in the nickle package (2-4-5)for most of the game. That is a major mismatch against the run. So'oto got his chance to show something last night and really didnt do much with the chance.But he didnt make any major blunder's either.

Hawk and Bishop both had alot of tackles, each had a tackle for a loss. I think they could have played better but they were getting back into the flow of things after injuries.

Last nights game was a hard fought Bear - Packer game in the trenches with some hard hitting and tough football all night. I was pleasantly surprises by GB's toughness especially when playing a 2-4-5 against a 2 TE with a single back. Those 2 Dlineman( rotation ) played some tough football , Raji and Wilson both had a very good game.

It sucks that Gb does not have a "shut down defense" and opponents are racking up piles of yards. The defense is ranked in the middle of the pack in scoring which is more important than yardage. I came away from the Bear game with a positive attitude towards the defense leaning towards them rising to the occasion during the playoffs.

14-1 W/L record
515 points scored #1 in the NFL.
318 points against around #14 in the NFL

Things could be alot worse than they are right now. And with Pickett , Bulaga , Clifton and Jennings getting healed up things should get better. If GB were to lay an egg against the bares after the KC debacle I would be whining maybe but I thought last nights game was a good game for GB against their tough arch rival.

I am looking foward to seeing more of So'oto,Latimore (who is playing ST very well), Wilson and Wynn against the Lions. On offense the backup TE's, Saine and Cobb along with Flynn should see alot off playing time against the kitties also

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Originally posted by Herschel:

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Originally posted by YATittle:
Walden stinks lately. He finished last year strong, but he doesn't hold the edge and isn't getting home on the QB.

Replace him. Move Bishop outside, DJ Smith to Bishop's spot...

Bishop sucked last night too, though not as much as Hawk. The non-Matthews linebackers were all terrible. Bishop had a nice plug, which was probably the only non-Matthews highlight. Having Bishop in space would not do the defense any favors as that's his weakness. He's a short-area thumper.

I'll disagree on Bishop sucking last night. He made plays all over the field and while he didn't always get credit for the tackle, he would take out 2 blockers or turn the play to the step-slow Hawk & Peprah so they could get their plodding asses over to make the tackle.

Bishop may have been shaking off a little rust last night, but there are many times he is the best player on the field for the Pack. Watch him. He attacks. He flows to the ball and almost never gets caught by blockers - he takes that good of angles on plays. He anticipates where the hole is going to be for the RB and fills it. Simply awesome to watch. I firmly believe Bishop can be stacked up against Ray Lewis and Patrick Willis as the best ILB in football.

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Originally posted by Koopla Krash:

I'll disagree on Bishop sucking last night.

But, but, he's not Nick Barnett.

Exactly, GL. Nick Barnett - master of avoiding blockers my retreating 3 yards at the snap and making a tackle after a 6 yard gain.

Bishop said on twitter that his performance was subpar, and maybe his worst performance of the year.

I would expect him to say that. He's an accountable professional and this was his first live action in almost 16 quarters. His timing was a little off, but I will stand behind my comments that on many plays last night he was the best Packer on the field.

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Originally posted by CUPackFan:
Bishop said on twitter that his performance was subpar, and maybe his worst performance of the year.

I hate that guy. We were on a roll, KK and I.

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Originally posted by Koopla Krash:
I would expect him to say that. He's an accountable professional and this was his first live action in almost 16 quarters. His timing was a little off, but I will stand behind my comments that on many plays last night he was the best Packer on the field.

That's the problem. Bishop played his worst game and he was still one of the best players on defense.

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I hate that guy. We were on a roll, KK and I.

You were on a roll with the KKK?

Way to blow his cover, Julian Assange.

Yes, yes, yes, first the country clubs now the Klan.

DJ Soul was on a roll, too