There are multiple influences but you must include the ownership structure. The publicly owned, non-profit status means the books are opened every year. There is no owner with a fat wallet ready to "persuade" free agents to sign cap manageable deals. If they had an owner like the other franchises, the Los Angeles Packers might have several more Superb Owl trophies.
ChilliJon posted:I have no idea what alternate universe you two are spooning in. Manning never fumbled in that game. NY did fumble it 5 times. Lost it once. Can we stop talking about this game now?
I don't know what you're talking about. I never said it was Manning. It wasn't. It was the punt returner guy for the Giants. I didn't think my reply meant I had acquiesced to the issue of who actually fumbled.
CAPackFan95 posted:packerboi posted:
The parallels of this with his pick in the NFCC for the Vikings is uncanny. Here he simply checks down (what I assume is) the RB heading to the right at the 30, and he gains probably 15-20 yards are you are almost already in FG position. There he simply takes the easy 5-10 yards of running room and Longwell is kicking a FG.
As brutal as this pick was (and make no doubt - it was horrific), at least this was a case where the receiver was in his progression. He made the worst choice possible, but it was within the scheme for that play.
The Vikings NFCC game pick was quite honestly one of the worst decisions a QB could ever make. If he throws the ball out of bounds, they line up for a 55 yard field goal in a dome with a kicker that was 26 of 28 on the year (and 8 for 8 over the previous two years on kicks over 50 yards). If he keeps running straight toward the sideline, he picks up 5-7 yards. If he runs up the middle (they had a timeout left), he picks up 4-5 yards. Instead, he throws the ball across his body, across the field. You would bench a high school QB for doing that in the second quarter of a random game, let alone in that situation.
The emotions of watching that sequence were surreal. I remember sitting there telling my wife that I can't believe that the Vikings are going to end up in the Super Bowl led by Brett Favre, after Ryan Longwell hits the game winner. And then, this twilight zone thing happens.
The Philly playoff OT interception was almost as poor a decision - a lob into triple coverage off the back foot on a first down play in overtime.
The upshot of all this is how in the world could anybody link Favre and Rodgers together for their playoff "failings"?
And just to prove Favre wasn't playing favorites, he threw picks when he was the QB for the Jets and Vikings.
ChilliJon posted:My take away from that 4th quarter is how much Brett looked like he'd rather be anywhere else on the planet other than Lambeau Field.
That game and the frigid game at the Bears late in that season were very similar. The look on his face made me feel like he wanted to be far far away.
Agree.
The older I get, the less I want anything to do with cold.
Saw a gal jogging here in Florida yesterday with a scarf, gloves and fluffy jacket.
It was 63 degrees.
...awful rumor.
The aforementioned Mrs. Kiel gets her ass out of bed 6 days a week at 5:45 a.m. and runs 4-5 miles. She thinks 50 degrees is "perfect" and runs in a tee shirt and shorts.
I put on a parka at that temp.
Deciding to not pay your gardener by the hour was your decision.
El-Ka-Bong posted:I blame Obama
Dammit! I was going to say that.
The Ref fka Blair Kiel posted:
in a tee shirt and shorts.
Braless too?
You pig.
But no. Gotta admit it, despite her age, gravity has not been her enemy.
Don't ask me about my balls.
Headed towards my knees.
Son-of-a-bitch!
True story.
I had to tell Mrs. Blair Kiel about that phenomenon----she hadn't heard of it.
Guess I'm doing o.k.
Still good lift there.
The Ref fka Blair Kiel posted:You pig.
But no. Gotta admit it, despite her age, gravity has not been her enemy.
Don't ask me about my balls.
Kinda like those old bulls ready for that pasture in the sky...?
(Actually, "bologna bulls.")