Is it too early? I'm already looking to next year.
Probably easier to say who is gone:
Cedeno
Soria
Schoop
Saladino
Granderson
Questions?
Moose
Kratz
Anderson
Davies
Thoughts?
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The following is from a S I article written today: with a lot of hitting and no pitching among their best prospects, they should offer the Mets a fortune for Jacob deGrom or Noah Syndergaard,
I don't know about anyone else but I would not trade Burnes, Peraltra, or Woodruff for either of those guys. The key to winning in the future will be having great young players under team control for several years. Add in Suter and Nelson coming back and the starting pitching looks very good to me. I know it was only a 7 game series but lack of hitting, not pitching is what hurt the most.
Bigger questions are:
1. Is Keston Huira ready to step in as an everyday 2nd baseman?
2. Will Broxton or Santana replace Braun as the starting left fielder?
3. Will Eric Thames return to his 2017 form and be effective as a left handed platoon player in left and 1st base or was 2017 just a fluke?
You would not trade Burnes, Woodruff, or Peralta for DeGrom?
Really?
If the Mets called right now and said give us any combination of 2 of those 3 you would say no?
DeGrom pitched like 30 consecutive quality starts. His ERA was below 2.
Don’t get me wrong I like the trio you mentioned but in the playoffs you need good starting pitching. Miley and Chacin couldn’t sniff his jock.
For this team to take the next step they need to improve their starters. I would be all in on DeGrom if they were willing to deal.
Need to know salaries, length of contact, willingness to commit long term etc.....but I would go for it.
Of be three I think Woodruff has the best potential to be a decent and consistent starter. If the Mets said give us Peralta and Burnes for DeGrom **** yeah I make that deal like yesterday.
Peralta, Huira and Ray for DeGrom (and if I were the Mets, I wouldn't take it, but there has to be a chance once Doug Melvin takes over)
Pikes Peak posted:Need to know salaries, length of contact, willingness to commit long term etc.....but I would go for it.
Nope, never. For small market teams it's all about having team control of young upcoming players, that is the only way you can consistently win. Paying big money for one guy will kill you if he gets hurt, especially pitchers. Look what happened when Jimmy Nelson went down, the Brewers never found the guy to really take his place. And now you want to trade 2 very good young guys for DeGrom? What if he goes down? You never recover, that is what happens.
You guys mostly into fantasy baseball and football?
Let's cool down and wait until winter leagues before we gut the franchise because we got beat in game 7.
Not sure anyone is suggesting they gut the franchise. I think and expect that they will look at every possible option to upgrade the team including making a major move to add a frontline starter.
DeGrom would obviously fit that bill and yes he wouldn’t come cheap but the Brewers are in a good position as they have assets to deal.
I expect they will not retain Moose and maybe not pick up the option on Soria but do think they bring back Schoop to play 2B allowing Shaw to slide back to 3B. If Schoop struggles I fully expect we will see Hiura sooner than later.
I would image they are looking at Peralta and Burnes and Woodruff as potential starters but of the three I think the only guy that is ready is Woodruff. While he’s very talented, I see Peralta as a project and he doesn’t possess top end stuff so could be relegated to the pen. Burnes could either stay in the bullpen or move to a starting role but he’s got a lot of value because of his quick development and he can run it up there in the mid/upper 90s.
Un-restricted FA
Gio, Miley, Jennings, Granderson, Kratz.
Maybe see Gio come back if dirt cheap. Miley made himself a bunch of coin on a cinderella season. I can't imagine he does it two years in a row. Same with Kratz, it was fun buddy, hope you get some cash from some other team. Granderson is a hard "no." Jennings maybe if the price is right. Not a lot to worry about with this group.
Options
Moose, Soria, Jeffress, Lyles.
Soria was nice to have, but pretty low leverage at 10 mil a year. Jeffress around 4 million is an easy keeper. Lyles...meh. Fine if you keep him, fine if he walks.
Moose is the toughest call. at 15 million, he's in a soft sort of platoon with Shaw (who I liked at second). He also needs to opt in, and I don't think he will. I'd have no problem keeping him around and working out the L/R platoon options (RHP has to shake at that for a whole season).
Arbitration
Guerra- easy peasy, keep Jr around. Convert him to a reliever, watch him shine
Knebel- pay him
Davies- Pay him
Nelson- Pay him
Cedeno-...meh, I can go either way. Probably going to pay him
Perez-...meh. Depends on what happens at second base. I actually prefer him over Scope. Scope really let me down.
Scope- unless he can do an Orlando Arcia and rediscover his bat, he has to walk. I can see why DS would keep him around though hoping to get his 2017 bat.
Shaw- Pay him
Saladino-... meh. Don't care either way. He won't cost much, wouldn't be a big loss.
Pina- pay him
Domingo- I have high hopes for Santana. No idea what go in his head this spring, but if we get the '17 stick or what we saw at the end of this year, there are plenty of AB's for the 4th OF in Milwaukee.
Vogt- meh.
I say stick with the young arms they have. The Brewers have never as a franchise had this many good, young arms that will stay relatively inexpensive for the next 2-3 years. Hader, Burnes, Knebel, Woodruff, Peralta, and Zach Davies are all 26 or younger. If they Brewers are going to ever win it all, it's because they have pitching depth like they do now.
The Roster net year has at least 16 sure things. I think Schoop is back despite his terrible performance as a Brewer because they'll probably offer arbitration.
OF: Cain, Yelich, Braun, Broxton, Santana
IF: Shaw, Arcia, Aguilar, Thames, Schoop (arbitration)
P: Hader, Burnes, Knebel, Chacin, Woodruff, and Peralta
These guys are also likely back:
P: Chase Anderson, Jeffress (arbitration), Jacob Barnes, and Guerra (arbitration), Taylor Williams, Dan Jennings, Cedeno (arbitration)
IF: H. Perez (arbitration), Pina (arbitration).
Of these sure things and likely guys, you already have 13 pitchers without Jimmy Nelson (I don't think Suter will be ready until 2020). Then you have 11 position players.
As good as Kratz was, they need to add a catcher. You can't count on a 39 year old Kratz or a 34 year old Vogt.
I don't think Moustakos is back. He'll turn down the mutual 15 million dollar option and he has Boras as an agent. Miley will get good money somewhere else. Granderson is headed to a coaching staff somewhere.
They need to add 1-2 good, inning-eating SPs. It would be nice to get a Kershaw type, but the Brewers aren't going to spend 25 million a year on one pitcher. If Nelson is recovered, he's one of those guys. They need to add a front-line catcher. Other than that, they don't need to add anyone to be as competitive as this past year.
You have to figure Yelich and Aguilar will regress a little bit (Yelich can't be any better than he was the last 3 months of the season but he'll still be a perennial All-Star). But, Arcia is likely primed for a breakout year next year.
A big part of the starting pitcher evaluation is how you assess this season?
Anderson was really pretty ordinary for them. Davies, when healthy, was wildly inconsistent. On the flip side, Chacin and Guerra really exceeded expectations. As did Miley, but I’m sure some team will throw money his way. Then there’s Nelson. If he came back and played close to the 2017 level he’s a legit #1 or #2 guy.
I think Chacin is probably more of a 3 or 4 that performed as a #1 or #2 guy. Either way he’s got a spot in the rotation. Guerra is a back of end rotation guy as is Davies. Probably more upside with Davies so I’m thinking he will be in the rotation. I like the idea of Guerra as a longer relief guy as it seemed he got into trouble beyond 3-4 innings as a starter. Anderson did not pitch very well but by default may secure a spot.
You have to figure Woodruff will get every opportunity to start and if the Brewers don’t make a trade I really think you need to give Burnes a shot as well.
Woodruff, Nelson, Chacin, Burnes and either Davies or Anderson looks OK but again, hedging on Nelson returning to pre-injury form may be a lot to ask.
Is it a wet dream they give Hader a chance at the starting rotation? Or has he been pigeonholed as a bullpen guy. He was drafted as a starter by Houston.
I was of the “put him in the rotation” crowd but I have to admit he might be more impactful as a relief guy because he can get more appearances in high pressure situations. Not to say Hader can’t be a starter but I like and prefer him more as the super relief guy - long relief, ultra out getter or closer all wrapped up as one.
He has two pitches and can crank up the velocity something fierce. If he takes a couple tics off the fastball to pitch 6 innings, I'm not sure two pitches works for him. His mechanics are crazy funky already as it is, he works on another pitch and keeps his two good pitches working?
Don't mess with it. dude is a weapon right now.
El-Ka-Bong posted:He has two pitches and can crank up the velocity something fierce. If he takes a couple tics off the fastball to pitch 6 innings, I'm not sure two pitches works for him. His mechanics are crazy funky already as it is, he works on another pitch and keeps his two good pitches working?
Don't mess with it. dude is a weapon right now.
I agree. Hader right now is what Mariano Rivera was like. Rivera literally threw one pitch over and over - the cutter. 85% of his pitches were cutters. Everyone knew what was coming and it didn't matter. Hader has two pitches.
Hader pitching a couple of innings in 50-60 games next year is ideal. Why try to make him even an above average starter and lose an All-World relief guy?
Great comparison of Hader's fastball and slider. They look almost identical until the last possible microsecond.
Well looks like it starts with hitting coach Darnel Coles and bullpen coach Lee Tunnell.
That's a shocker. The surprise performance of the entire pitching group (starters and pen) is largely what made this a special year. Gotta believe a lot of the reason for that was because of DJ.
Conflict ? Why would you leave an ascending franchise to go to Cincinnati ? Not a pitchers park that's for sure. More to come.....
$$$
and its not like the Cin staff is a bunch of scrubs
Not totally surprised or disappointed about Coles, but losing DJ could be a big deal. He was outstanding and developing some of the younger guys and vets like Chacin and Miley.
https://www.mlb.com/brewers/ne...n-schoop/c-300406414
Shaw seemed ok playing second with Perez around and our #1 at tripe A rather spend the money on Moose or Donaldson.
