Grave Digger posted:Who might not be back next year? Tim Masthay. His playoff punts, especially in the dome in AZ, we inconsistent at best. He's the weak link on STs right now.
I think they draft Rollins think Hayward was probably going to be leaving.
He's never missed a hold in years and didn't give up any long punt returns (Janis played a huge part in that). Is that worth giving up for a chance to get a guy that can kick a few 50 yarders? Maybe, but you have to look at the whole pictures.
Tim Masthay, I hope, won't be here next year
I believe, Masthay just had the best Net average by a GBP punter ever for a season.
Really? That's very surprising. His consistency was all over the map. 25 yarder and a 55 yarder still average 40 yards, but those 25 yarder punts seemed to be at the worst possible time. Too often our D faced a short field.
Hungry5 posted:I believe, Masthay just had the best Net average by a GBP punter ever for a season.
Eye tests are as reliable as stats
Was listening to local blabber on talk radio in Milwaukee, and another "unnamed" source said Ted Thompson philosophy has morphed more and more to finding and drafting pure athletes with freakish abilities. He pointed to Janis!, D. Goodson, Rollins, Randall, Gunter, Elliot, etc. None of these guys played either in big schools (where some GM's/Owners obsess on) or were even 4 year players at, for example, corner. He is drawn to players who played multiple sports (e.g basketball) and are just good athletes. Period.
The responsibility then goes to MM's staff to develop these athletes into good football players. I have no issue with that but then MM better be sure he has assistants to do just that.
El-Ka-Bong posted:James Jones can become the new Wide Receiver/Equipment Manager
Too slow.
antiworst posted:El-Ka-Bong posted:James Jones can become the new Wide Receiver/Equipment Manager
Too slow.
He outplayed Ten Million Dollar Cobb.
Surprised everyone thinks Mike Neal is gone.
ammo posted:...... He did show more speed than Eddie did this season.
So did my pet rock
RushRunner posted:antiworst posted:El-Ka-Bong posted:James Jones can become the new Wide Receiver/Equipment Manager
Too slow.
He outplayed Ten Million Dollar Cobb.
Yeah especially with that 0-0 performance vs. the Cardinals. Hell, Cobb did that in the locker room!
Grave Digger posted:Really? That's very surprising. His consistency was all over the map. 25 yarder and a 55 yarder still average 40 yards, but those 25 yarder punts seemed to be at the worst possible time. Too often our D faced a short field.
Yep - seems like he kicked the 25yd punt deep in GB territory and the 55yd punt from mid-field. Neither of which were all that beneficial
Boris posted:RushRunner posted:antiworst posted:El-Ka-Bong posted:James Jones can become the new Wide Receiver/Equipment Manager
Too slow.
He outplayed Ten Million Dollar Cobb.
Yeah especially with that 0-0 performance vs. the Cardinals. Hell, Cobb did that in the locker room!
If JJ was not on the roster this year, it is a fair assumption we lose a couple of those 1st 6 games and miss the playoffs. Then again...if he wasn't on the roster and Janis got more time we might be saying....Jordy Who? Whoah...EZ now..
packerboi posted:Was listening to local blabber on talk radio in Milwaukee, and another "unnamed" source said Ted Thompson philosophy has morphed more and more to finding and drafting pure athletes with freakish abilities. He pointed to Janis!, D. Goodson, Rollins, Randall, Gunter, Elliot, etc. None of these guys played either in big schools (where some GM's/Owners obsess on) or were even 4 year players at, for example, corner. He is drawn to players who played multiple sports (e.g basketball) and are just good athletes. Period.
The responsibility then goes to MM's staff to develop these athletes into good football players. I have no issue with that but then MM better be sure he has assistants to do just that.
It certainly didn't look like we had that staff for WR coaching, but the rookie DB's sure were a thrill to watch!
RE: Masthay
81 punts, 43.9 avg, 40.2 net, long of 62, 18 in 20, 6 TB
We remember the bad...
In 10 years, no one will remember Jani's Hail Mary catch because the Packers lost. Had they won, to some it would go down as one of the greatest single plays in Packers history.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Surprised everyone thinks Mike Neal is gone.
Same here considering how thin we are at the position. He was even healthy most of the year. Hope we offer him and Perry a reasonable contract.
Pikes Peak posted:Hungry5 posted:I believe, Masthay just had the best Net average by a GBP punter ever for a season.
Eye tests are as reliable as stats
Punting stats are tough to guage. Masthay was 26th in average, and 14th in net. Packers coverage teams really improved right ? Or is Mashay's hang time that good? Masthay had some clunkers, but it's tough to grade....kicks in tough conditions , etc.... I say give him some competition.
Hungry5 posted:RE: Masthay
81 punts, 43.9 avg, 40.2 net, long of 62, 18 in 20, 6 TB
We remember the bad...
I think it's tough to boil punt stats down to just numbers. There are so many variables depending on weather, where they were punting from, were they asked to directional kick, how good were the coverage units, how good were the returners they were kicking to.
Gosselin's Special teams rankings came out today (Packers ended up 17th)
PUNT COVERAGE
Best: Green Bay, 4.2 yards
Now were the coverage units helped by Zook asking Masthay kick it a certain way? Could be. I do know Janis was a demon on coverage this year.
I don't think Masthay is particularly bad, nor particularly good. Usually there's a consensus where everyone knows when they have a really good one and for damn sure everyone knows when they have an awful one. Masthay is middle of the road. He was also frustratingly inconsistent.
I think it's fair to say MM would have been a lot happier if he kicked like he did in Arizona a few weeks ago instead of Saturday
| 6 | 268 | 44.7 | 49 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 43.2 | 2 | 9 |
| 4 | 143 | 35.8 | 37 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 32.8 | 1 | 12 |
I think TT greatly prefers to have kickers with NFL experience. I think Masthay will be back with some mediocre competition in training camp that they'll get rid of the first time the guy screws up.
DH13 posted:"I think gonners are:
Adams... "
Never fails to crack me up.
Who is the "UFA and RFA for 2016" expert around here? Anyone know what will be out there at TE and ILB?
When you read MM's post-season comments about Adams and Rodgers, it tells me they better not buy a house in Green Bay, just yet. After the two recent performances we saw from 83 and 84, I think Adams, will have a tough time making the team this fall. Trade bait maybe? But we'll see...
Adams isn't going anywhere. He's going to start. Adams was turning the corner until Dick Rodgers and his 280lb unathletic frame fell on him.
I think Danny Trevathan would be a splendid FA addition. Denver has to sign Von Miller and Marshall. Can't keep all of them. Trevathan might be pricey. Guy can play ILB though in a 3-4 scheme.
I continue to find the notion that Adams won't be on the team next year extremely puzzling.
Is Hyde on the bubble yet?
I'm more interested in see what coaches get purged. That cobbled together post season doesn't exonerate that **** show during the regular season.
packerboi posted:Was listening to local blabber on talk radio in Milwaukee, and another "unnamed" source said Ted Thompson philosophy has morphed more and more to finding and drafting pure athletes with freakish abilities. He pointed to Janis!, D. Goodson, Rollins, Randall, Gunter, Elliot, etc. None of these guys played either in big schools (where some GM's/Owners obsess on) or were even 4 year players at, for example, corner. He is drawn to players who played multiple sports (e.g basketball) and are just good athletes. Period.
The responsibility then goes to MM's staff to develop these athletes into good football players. I have no issue with that but then MM better be sure he has assistants to do just that.
This a 1000 times. They can't have a bunch of Wile E. Coyote coaches scheming up "brilliant" game plans that can't actually coach for ****. And these young up and comers? Yeah, I've had enough of Philbins and Van Pelts and Moss and Campens. If they have the philosophy of cutting a player a year too soon instead of a year too late they better have a similar approach with the coaching staff. That is a serious achilles heal for MM. He proved he's a hell of a coach, don't do it all yourself.
BTW, **** that Solari guy. I guess it's easy to look accomplished when you're coaching a ****load of 1st round olinemen.
Simple summary on Adams. He will get another season because of where he was drafted and his very high potential. With that said, I have a hard time believing if he pulls off another ABYSMAL FAILURE OF SEASON like this year he needs to be shown the door. That's just wasting a roster spot. This year was ****ing god awful. Not a little slump, complete and utter failure.
And no, he didn't **** my dog. I don't have a dog. But I bet he thought about ****ing my non existent dog.
Considering how long they stuck with Justin Harrell, Brandon Jackson, Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz, Pat Lee, etc., I seriously doubt they will dump Adams after year 3. Sophomore slump.
I think Adam's injury never healed and I even wonder if it affected his attitude, like maybe being upset thinking he was put back on the field too early. I want to believe this year will go down as a major clunker season for him and career-wise, he will be fine.
Speaking of his route running, I remember the video of one of his routes his rookie season - best I ever saw. Took the defenders pants off.
That's still a sin, I hear, so it counts the same.
Physically he's so talented. He's a legit number one WR. If he can get over the yips and/or injuries from this season then GB will be stacked at WR.
I for one think Montgomery will be a total stud next year. Liked what I saw pre-injury during his rookie year. STRONG guy, can do a lot with him on offense, kind of like Fitzgerald this year.
If Ty follows recent history he will have a sophomore slump and a yr from now some will state that he will not be on the 2017 roster.
Grave Digger posted:Considering how long they stuck with Justin Harrell, Brandon Jackson, Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz, Pat Lee, etc., I seriously doubt they will dump Adams after year 3. Sophomore slump.
That's a lesson learned and it seems to be practiced at this point. Sophomore slump is putting it mildly. He stunk of epic proportions.
YATittle posted:I for one think Montgomery will be a total stud next year. Liked what I saw pre-injury during his rookie year. STRONG guy, can do a lot with him on offense, kind of like Fitzgerald this year.
He's not that type of receiver. He's more gadget slot but his strength sure will be a compliment to TE sets.
packerboi posted:Was listening to local blabber on talk radio in Milwaukee, and another "unnamed" source said Ted Thompson philosophy has morphed more and more to finding and drafting pure athletes with freakish abilities. He pointed to Janis!, D. Goodson, Rollins, Randall, Gunter, Elliot, etc. None of these guys played either in big schools (where some GM's/Owners obsess on) or were even 4 year players at, for example, corner. He is drawn to players who played multiple sports (e.g basketball) and are just good athletes. Period.
The responsibility then goes to MM's staff to develop these athletes into good football players. I have no issue with that but then MM better be sure he has assistants to do just that.
Big Ted's philosophy hasn't morphed at all. Thompson has drafted/acquired "athletes" on defense since day one. Look at all the names posted...all defense with the exception of Janis (and he was a seventh rounder). In his first draft at Green Bay he took players like Nick Collins and Michael Hawkins. Collins was a small school guy that faced lower level competition, took bad angles, couldn't tackle and was dumb as a box of rocks. He was a second round pick because he lit it up at the combine. Hawkins played about 1/2 season of college football at Oklahoma, was not really known as the most stable individual, didn't have a very impressive football resume at all...but he was tall and fast and that was enough for Ted to spend a fifth round pick on him.
It's nearly the complete opposite on offense, where Ted seems to favor "players" over "athletes." Just to do a rough estimate....Ted probably goes about 80/20 player/athlete on offense and 20/80 player/athlete on defense.
Monty's size/strength will be best utilized out of the backfield running it off T or catching screens or sweeps and breaking tackles. Basically doing what Cobb did some of this year.
Grave Digger posted:Physically he's so talented. He's a legit number one WR. If he can get over the yips and/or injuries from this season then GB will be stacked at WR.
I'll say this much, which is just major speculation on my part of course, but I think the locker room atmosphere must of stunk at some point. Personally, reading what we know of Davante being a pretty solid guy I think that atmosphere didn't help a young guy who is developing. There was a huge psychological element going on this year along with injuries.
I hope and suspect he will get his head screwed on right but you can't overlook how bad his season was.
I think you're probably right. This season is when he needed leaders to get him on the right track, but they were just as frustrated as him. Can't imagine he had much support system to help him recover. It also doesn't help when the QB is frustrated and is calling him out publicly (or maybe it was Lacy he was calling out?). Either way I think this was a perfect storm for a young player to really struggle...injury, sophomore slump, no leadership, etc.
IMO Rodgers' video game comment to Collinsworth (which 12 disavowed) was likely directed at both Adams and Lacy.
bigdoggyjude posted:Then again...if he wasn't on the roster and Janis got more time we might be saying....Jordy Who? Whoah...EZ now..
Yeah, that's a huge reach.
PackerJoe posted:It's nearly the complete opposite on offense, where Ted seems to favor "players" over "athletes." Just to do a rough estimate....Ted probably goes about 80/20 player/athlete on offense and 20/80 player/athlete on defense.
I think this is a perfect assessment. Working with a guy like Rodgers it about technical proficiency, not raw athletic ability. They have to have a head on their shoulders. This is born out by the whole Janis yammerings. The kid was good in sandlot stuff because he could use his speed but that isn't the day in day out offense.
Keep working on it Dummy, you'll be a good 4th this coming year. Keep on moving up.
