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Henry posted:

"Designed to"?  Are you saying the lifespan of a human is really only 35 years old?

Please, go on.

 

The potential entertainment from the reply is heavily outweighed by the certainty of knitting needles to the ear canal.

Henry posted:

"Designed to"?  Are you saying the lifespan of a human is really only 35 years old?

Please, go on.

If the avg life expectancy was 35 for

99.9 % of human history are you arguing we were designed to live longer? ;-)

Why do people need new hips and knees again? 

On September 29, 2006, my mother passed away from Pancreatic cancer.   In one regard, she was fortunate because she had surgery 3.5 years prior to that day.  Before then it looked liked she had beat it.  But in late January her doctor ran one last routine blood test to be certain her future was as healthy as she looked and sounded.  Not so... 

Almost ever person diagnosed with pancan dies within weeks of their diagnosis.  Since that day I ran one hour relays around a track at 4:00 AM for 2 or 3 years in the ACS Relay for the Life events.  These events were fantastic community movements that generated incredible energies of hope, promise, spirit and support.  They were hugely rewarding feel-good moments in my life.  But there was also other thing about these individual and collective events against cancer(s)… they're BIG money.  Lots of people, making lots of money.   Has me wonder just how truly important that a cure for cancer is discovered... at least in my lifetime.  

The NFL or MFL (Monetary Football League) is all about money, no matter what color it is.

Boris posted:

I'm only going to say this once.....

There is no money in the cure for cancer. The money is in the treatment. 

Carry on.

I have spent the last 28 years of my life as a cancer and bone disease researcher.  

If you think that the thousands of us that spend our lives researching this have the nefarious motives that you are implying....I won't even say it. 

 

oldschool posted:
Henry posted:

"Designed to"?  Are you saying the lifespan of a human is really only 35 years old?

Please, go on.

If the avg life expectancy was 35 for

99.9 % of human history are you arguing we were designed to live longer? ;-)

Why do people need new hips and knees again? 

Because they didn't take care of the ones they were born with.

Hungry5 posted:
oldschool posted:
Henry posted:

"Designed to"?  Are you saying the lifespan of a human is really only 35 years old?

Please, go on.

If the avg life expectancy was 35 for

99.9 % of human history are you arguing we were designed to live longer? ;-)

Why do people need new hips and knees again? 

Because they didn't take care of the ones they were born with.

Or worked their asses off in jobs that wore them out. 

The researchers -- I have no issue with -- That's not where my statement is coming from. The people controlling the money, care about one thing....the MONEY -- they don't care about people or human life at all. I have seen it firsthand & in more walks of life than just health care.

I appreciate the research people like yourself & others have accomplished & continue to work hard & move forward. I donate to the Cancer Research Institute because 95% of the money goes to the research. I believe The nefariousness is above your pay grade, unfortunately.

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The people controlling the money, care about one thing....the MONEY -- they don't care about people or human life at all.

It never ceases to amaze me how much government-funded research calls for more government.

(Somehow, I have a feeling this isn't what you're referring to.)

Boris posted:

The researchers -- I have no issue with -- That's not where my statement is coming from. The people controlling the money, care about one thing....the MONEY -- they don't care about people or human life at all. I have seen it firsthand & in more walks of life than just health care.

I appreciate the research people like yourself & others have accomplished & continue to work hard & move forward. I donate to the Cancer Research Institute because 95% of the money goes to the research. I believe The nefariousness is above your pay grade, unfortunately.

First off, thanks MP2.  A career dedicated to utilizing and creating knowledge it to be admired.  Unfortunately, you're in the wrong country. 

Exxon, Ford, Purdue, just off the top of my head.

oldschool posted:
Henry posted:

"Designed to"?  Are you saying the lifespan of a human is really only 35 years old?

Please, go on.

If the avg life expectancy was 35 for

99.9 % of human history are you arguing we were designed to live longer? ;-)

Whatever could've been the reasons for those life expectancy rates?  Currently, most of Sub-Sahara Africa has a life expectancy of around 50 years while the Japanese is 84 years with many reaching 100.  Even countries with AIDS and Ebola epidemics rolled into constant war between child armies have a longer "designed" life expectancy. 

So again, please tell me more.

Do you want a simple summary for this entire thread?  We shit where we eat and some make a god damn business of it.   

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Henry posted:
oldschool posted:
Henry posted:

"Designed to"?  Are you saying the lifespan of a human is really only 35 years old?

Please, go on.

If the avg life expectancy was 35 for

99.9 % of human history are you arguing we were designed to live longer? ;-)

Whatever could've been the reasons for those life expectancy rates?  Currently, most of Sub-Sahara Africa has a life expectancy of around 50 years while the Japanese is 84 years with many reaching 100.  Even countries with AIDS and Ebola epidemics rolled into constant war between child armies have a longer "designed" life expectancy. 

So again, please tell me more.

Do you want a simple summary for this entire thread?  We shit where we eat and some make a god damn business of it.   

You miss the point by a mile...or realize it's right and need to obfuscate.

The point is>>>>for 99.9999% of man kinds history the average lifespan is 35 years...probably less but for argument sake.

Only in the last few hundred years with the agricultural / industrial/ medical revolution have we drastically increased the average life span.

We have evolved for millions of years with a body that generally lived long enough to raise our children. Millennials aside...you had kids in your early teens...raise a bunch and die in your 30's. Rinse repeat with each generation.

It's not arguable that this was NOT the fate of man for eons...and we are what we evolved into. 

Don't even try to convince yourself that we had time to evolve to live over 50. There is no evidence of that.

We get weird diseases now...old age is full of disease...the medical field can only do so much. 

Duh. 

 

 

Hungry5 posted:
oldschool posted:
Henry posted:

"Designed to"?  Are you saying the lifespan of a human is really only 35 years old?

Please, go on.

If the avg life expectancy was 35 for

99.9 % of human history are you arguing we were designed to live longer? ;-)

Why do people need new hips and knees again? 

Because they didn't take care of the ones they were born with.

Right..cuz they wear out if you use something too much= not designed for 50+ years of use. TY

oldschool posted:
Henry posted:
oldschool posted:
Henry posted:

"Designed to"?  Are you saying the lifespan of a human is really only 35 years old?

Please, go on.

If the avg life expectancy was 35 for

99.9 % of human history are you arguing we were designed to live longer? ;-)

Whatever could've been the reasons for those life expectancy rates?  Currently, most of Sub-Sahara Africa has a life expectancy of around 50 years while the Japanese is 84 years with many reaching 100.  Even countries with AIDS and Ebola epidemics rolled into constant war between child armies have a longer "designed" life expectancy. 

So again, please tell me more.

Do you want a simple summary for this entire thread?  We shit where we eat and some make a god damn business of it.   

You miss the point by a mile...or realize it's right and need to obfuscate.

The point is>>>>for 99.9999% of man kinds history the average lifespan is 35 years...probably less but for argument sake.

Only in the last few hundred years with the agricultural / industrial/ medical revolution have we drastically increased the average life span.

We have evolved for millions of years with a body that generally lived long enough to raise our children. Millennials aside...you had kids in your early teens...raise a bunch and die in your 30's. Rinse repeat with each generation.

It's not arguable that this was NOT the fate of man for eons...and we are what we evolved into. 

Don't even try to convince yourself that we had time to evolve to live over 50. There is no evidence of that.

We get weird diseases now...old age is full of disease...the medical field can only do so much. 

Duh. 

 

 

Could that be our brains evolved to be able to reach such heights or isn't that part of the design?  Hell, we're so advanced we even manufacture our own demise. 

Continue, please.

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I had a cancer biopsy done a couple weeks ago.  As I was about to listen to the voicemail to tell me the results, I'll be perfectly honest, I was more worried about the financial drain it can cause than I was about anything else.  

I was reading recently about someone that had 1 million dollars of bills that were sent to them after "winning" vs. a bout with cancer.  I mean, I'm in pretty good shape financially, but 1 million in bills would pretty much put my financial situation in ruins.

I am lucky and my results were that my situation was benign and there was no further treatment necessary.  But my God, if "beating" cancer means possibly going into bankruptcy to deal with the bills, that's a pretty hollow win in my book.

As a breast cancer survivor myself -- and someone who has a fake knee and hip -- I'd like to make a couple of points. 1) It's a beotch to hear the diagnosis. Fightphoe93, I had similar thoughts. It wasn't so much "will I live," it was "will I be able to fight this without bankrupting my family." Right then, I was wondering which I'd choose if it came down to money vs treatment. Luckily, we came through it okay. (Looking at bills later, one drug, one dose = $13,000.) I was just unlucky, and lucky that four years later, I remain clear.  2) Find a good organization you can get behind and help fund it. Do your research because good organizations are out there, and they need help more than the ones that use the vast majority of donations for advertising. 3) I'm sorry for those of you who have lost someone close because of cancer. It's such an unfair disease because it's so indiscriminate; someone like me with no history, who is healthy, who never smoked or drank, etc., gets cancer seemingly out of the blue. It sucks. 4) Thank you, MP2. Folks like you are gems who get too little recognition for the work you do.  

As for fake joints, meh, the human body wasn't meant to do what we make it do in sports. I did it. I brutalized my knees and hips. I own it.  

oldschool posted:
Hungry5 posted:

Because they didn't take care of the ones they were born with.

Right..cuz they wear out if you use something too much= not designed for 50+ years of use. TY

So, those who take care of them and they don't wear out = designed for 50+ years of use?

Fandame posted:  

As for fake joints, meh, the human body wasn't meant to do what we make it do in sports. I did it. I brutalized my knees and hips. I own it.  

Rub some dirt on it & get back out there!!

Boris posted:
Fandame posted:  

As for fake joints, meh, the human body wasn't meant to do what we make it do in sports. I did it. I brutalized my knees and hips. I own it.  

Rub some dirt on it & get back out there!!

Ammo posted:

You forgot to spit some tobacco juice on it. 

I did -- hence, the scars and metal! Played a hockey game once (goalie) 10 days after arthroscopic knee surgery. Those were the days...

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