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How did you (with a torn ACL and a torn MCL on December 24th) recover faster than any player in the history of knee injuries- not only came back to play but came back and wound up just 9 yards short of the all-time NFL single season rushing record?

I remember when Bonds was rumored, and pundits poo-pooed it initially. Now he's vilified by those same pundits. We had science telling us thatLance Armstrong had the God given ability to burn Lactic Acid and that was what gave him his super powers- until we found out otherwise.

Will we merely find out in a few years that Adrian Peterson:

- did not in fact redefine knee injury recovery
- did not in fact revolutionize rehabilitation and hard work by the individual
- does not in fact have advanced recuperative skills

And just cheated?
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Read a story in the LA Times about his rehab trainer in Houston, who said something to the effect that almost no professionals he worked with in the past had the drive and self-discipline that AP had in his quest, so it didn't surprise him at all that he's better now than before the injury.

I could be wrong, but I don't think PEDs played a role.
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Originally posted by 18c3v:
There are probably tons of players using PED's in the NFL and getting away with it, including guys on the Packers. I don't see any particular reason to single out Pederson.


Agreed.
Since the NFL really doesn't have a decent program to detect PEDs I can understand the thinking.

However, if he's using my guess is he's one of probably 1/3 of the players in the league that are using.

The guy was a freak of nature before the injury and with the improvements in technology and medical procedures and recovery it doesn't surprise me one bit.

This isn't like 1960 when an ACL injury was basically a guaranteed career ender for an NFL player.
This isn't baseball. Opposing players still have the opportunity to tackle him and they didn't, and his O-line still has the chance to block poorly and they didn't.

I'm not sure how much it matters what you're hopped up on in the NFL. There are too many other players on the field that have a direct impact on your performance for it to be any more than a minor benefit.
I would guess that since this was he's second ACL that he knew going in what he could do to shorten the rehab. I know from my own experience having back to back surgeries that the 2nd one I was up a going a lot sooner because I knew what I could and could not do so it was a quicker recovery.
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Originally posted by Goalline:
They are all using. OK, maybe not Tramon. Too much estrogen in that boy.




It's the morning after and I'm a bit more relaxed. But I still think Tramon is afraid to tackle.
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Originally posted by CHEEZE:
Who was the Phili WR i think back inthe 90s who came back in the same season after having a Knee ligament replaced with a ligament from a cadaver?



Can't recall but right now the whole Philly team looks like a cadaver....
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Originally posted by WolfPack:
when I see pics of CMII now doing the hulk and what he looked like at USC, Id rather just give AP a pass




True dat. I'm with Goalline here.

Ssshhhhhhh.....We have to keep the product on the field good to keep the money flowing

I do know AP busted his ass during rehab though. You can just "juice" and sit back on the couch. The guy is a great player, give him his due
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Originally posted by CHEEZE:
It was like 10 years ago or more. I wanted to say Irving Fryar or Ike Hilliard but the name escapes me. It was Pre TO.


Harold Carmichael?
Everyone in the NFL uses PEDs (especially when coming back from major injuries), there is too much money on the line not to. Any refusal to confront this blindingly obvious fact is a pretty good indicator a person looks at the game through the eyes of a 10 year old boy who refuses to believe his heroes would ever let him down. This finger pointing at the guys on other teams when they do it is probably even more pathetic. Every Vikings fan can't stop blabbering about how Clay Matthews is on PEDs (it's the only reason he's even in the NFL you know, bloodlines have nothing to do with it), but they would never even dream to accuse their beloved "All Day" of doing the same thing every other player in the NFL does. It's all pretty infantile, really.
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Originally posted by Pakrz:
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Originally posted by Goalline:
They are all using. OK, maybe not Tramon. Too much estrogen in that boy.




It's the morning after and I'm a bit more relaxed. But I still think Tramon is afraid to tackle.


No he isn't. Capers told him that tackling was bad.
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Originally posted by Boris:
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Originally posted by WolfPack:
when I see pics of CMII now doing the hulk and what he looked like at USC, Id rather just give AP a pass




True dat. I'm with Goalline here.

Ssshhhhhhh.....We have to keep the product on the field good to keep the money flowing

I do know AP busted his ass during rehab though. You can just "juice" and sit back on the couch. The guy is a great player, give him his due


Exactly! Juicing and hard work, the recipe for the creation of super stars.

Good post, Packman. Exactly.
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Originally posted by Pack-Man:
Everyone in the NFL uses PEDs (especially when coming back from major injuries), there is too much money on the line not to. Any refusal to confront this blindingly obvious fact is a pretty good indicator a person looks at the game through the eyes of a 10 year old boy who refuses to believe his heroes would ever let him down. This finger pointing at the guys on other teams when they do it is probably even more pathetic. Every Vikings fan can't stop blabbering about how Clay Matthews is on PEDs (it's the only reason he's even in the NFL you know, bloodlines have nothing to do with it), but they would never even dream to accuse their beloved "All Day" of doing the same thing every other player in the NFL does. It's all pretty infantile, really.


Yep.. and I don't blame the players one bit. I've been in the gym long enough to know you don't look like AP, CM or any of the other guys without PED's. Genetics, resistance training and diet only take you so far.
I know I may be a little late to the party, and I hadn't seen the thread talking about it before. I guess it really never came to mind until yesterday for me.

I don't think it's ok to just say that everyone does it, because I truthfully do not believe that most do. Sure there are those who do- and maybe Matthews is one of them, and if he is found or does something suspicious like recover like Wolverine from a completely shredded knees, I'll call him out too. But what Peterson did to recover, if it's unnatural, it isn't like taking adderal for a pick me up.

Peterson may be like Bonds in that natural wasn't enough. He wanted, maybe needed, to be better. I will not be surprised if we learn this to be the truth in a few years, just like the rest of the cheaters.
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Adrian Peterson, Jamaal Charles amaze after severe knee injuries
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With his knee stitched shut and his ligaments back intact, Adrian Peterson remained in a deep sleep as the anesthesia kept the Minnesota Vikings running back in a rare state of sedation.

His doctor, the doctor, esteemed orthopedic surgeon James Andrews, wasn't about to wait for Peterson to wake up before informing Peterson's parents about one of the most phenomenal knees he'd ever seen.

So Andrews found the parents, who had just watched the surgery from an observation room in Andrews' medical center in Birmingham, Ala., and provided an explanation that perhaps foreshadowed the miraculous recovery ahead.

"I can't believe it," Andrews told them, in a conversation recalled by Peterson's father, Nelson, during a phone interview with NFL.com. "For this guy to have played as much football as he's played his whole life, and not to have hardly any wear and tear, it's incredible. I've never seen a football player, especially one who runs and cuts as much as he does, with a knee in that condition. It's like a newborn baby."

Survival instinct

As Peterson continues on a career-best pace that currently has him leading the NFL in rushing, he said he's heard more questions about his recovery with each gained yard.

"People keep asking if I'm surprised by this," Peterson said during a phone interview. "No, I'm not. At all. A lot of people are surprised because they don't have the same mindset as me, the same belief process, the same faith.

"But it doesn't surprise me."

To truly grasp Peterson's mindset, consider what happened just hours after he awoke from surgery, six days after he'd torn the anterior cruciate ligament and medial collateral ligament in his left knee. His doctors entered his room to see how he was doing. They told him he had the option of staying in bed or, if he really wanted, attempting to stand up with the help of crutches.

"Most guys stay in bed -- they want some time to rest," said Peterson's father, who was also in the room.

"They'll wait until the next morning before they take that option. Adrian says, 'Sure, I'll try it.' Right there, hours after surgery, he stands up and puts his foot to the ground."

After his injury, doctors suggested he wait for the swelling in his knee to subside before undergoing surgery. But that would take too much time, and Peterson didn't want to waste any of it. So he purchased an ice therapy machine to expedite the process -- and he was being operated on just days later.

"There were times when I didn't want to do a lot of stuff," Peterson said. "I just wanted to rest because I was sore, but I would just get up and push through it. My mother always taught me, 'When you leave to go home at the end of the day, you need to feel like you accomplished something.' So I would fight through it."continue
I'd bet 2/3 or more of the NFL is on some type of PED. It's that dirty little secret that neither the NFL or the NFLPA wants found out. No one ever says anything about it but they all know the deal. They both benefit and unless there's comprehensive testing, which is tough, we'll never know. It's no small coincidence that players often make their biggest "jump" from the first season to the second. The off season is when the majority of the guys use.

I don't blame any player for taking them to stay at the top or regain their health. The system is purposefully set up by both sides to allow enough wiggle room to keep it going. If it wasn't a whole bunch more players would get caught.

You know how you know a good number of guys are using? You never once hear a player call out another on steroid use.

It's sad to say but if you're a big guy in the NFL you're putting your own health at risk if you're not using something and everyone else is.

I don't know if AP uses but I'd say his level of recovery has a whole lot more to do with his work ethic and genetics.
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Originally posted by Music City:
I know I may be a little late to the party, and I hadn't seen the thread talking about it before. I guess it really never came to mind until yesterday for me.

I don't think it's ok to just say that everyone does it, because I truthfully do not believe that most do. Sure there are those who do- and maybe Matthews is one of them, and if he is found or does something suspicious like recover like Wolverine from a completely shredded knees, I'll call him out too. But what Peterson did to recover, if it's unnatural, it isn't like taking adderal for a pick me up.

Peterson may be like Bonds in that natural wasn't enough. He wanted, maybe needed, to be better. I will not be surprised if we learn this to be the truth in a few years, just like the rest of the cheaters.
What would keep a man who stands to make millions of dollars from getting a few injections and taking a few pills in order to boost their workout regimen and shorten their recovery times significantly when there is very little risk of being caught? Integrity? The vast majority of the general population lacks that sort of integrity. What makes you think NFL players have more than most?

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