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It’s an interesting problem- a guy like Middleton seems like the right guy to throw Max money at. Self-made, works his tail off, and his progression is really easy to see. His showing in the playoffs against the Celtics was one of the great Bucks playoff performances. His playing style seems to fit Giannis’ quite complimentarily. 

But I don’t think the Bucks should offer a max contract. 

Middleton under a max deal means he’s your second best player... for the rest of Giannis’ prime years. Does he look like the second best player on a Title team? He struggles with ball pressure, which often is exposed when the game is on the line. He struggles with the athletic/quicker players- and those are the guys you’re going to have to beat in the conference and nba finals. 

I like Khris... I really do. He’s a good player. But this foregone conclusion that he’s a max guy is the same mistake that teams make all the time.

Ask the Warriors if they were good in letting Harrison Barnes go, knowing that it allowed them to get Durant. They’ll do that again every day and twice on Sunday. This is where the Bucks are now. 

I see Middleton as a great #3 guy. He can concentrate on D, catch and shoot, step back 3s... but to rely on him with a max deal as your #2 is a mistake. The Bucks #2 isn’t currently on the roster. To truly be a Title contender, they need a true closer that can thrive on the attention Giannis attracts... I know Boris says Durant, but that ain’t happnin. But if you can sell Kawhi Leonard on a basketball dynasty in Milwaukee and keep them all (Middleton, Bledsoe, and Brogdon), you have Warriors-East. If you  max Middleton and/or Bledsoe, you’re putting too much on the wrong guys. 

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Not sure your definition of a #2 but it ain’t Kahwi and it isn’t Durant either.  Leonhard is an easy 1 and some may argue he’s even better and more effective than Giannis. 

Middleton is absolutely a #2.  

Leonard is not a #1 on the Bucks, and he’s ill suited to the role anyway. The reason is that he’s not the guy everyone is going to follow. Pop said it last week- he’s a great player but it’s not in his nature to be the guy. He won a title but it was still Tim Duncan’s team. Look at how quickly it fell apart after he retired. Leonard is a fool if he thinks he can be that on his own. 

Leonard would be Giannis’ perfect compliment. Stoic... measured, equally as great but in different ways. Giannis is emotional... mean mug, fire and fury is his fuel. He’s the big brother. Kawhi is the second brother. You couldn’t imagine a more perfect duo. 

And Middleton is #3. He’s Klay Thompson, or Horace Grant, or Dennis Johnson, or Jamal Wilkes. Middleton is not a #2 on a Title team... no way. 

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I guess I look at this differently.  I would evaluate them more on ability and performance than how they fit on a team. 

To me, a #1 is an elite, top 10-15 player in the league.  A #2 is an All-Star type talent.

By any objective measure, Kahwi and Durant are top 15 players.  As is Giannis.  Middleton has elevated his play the last year or so where he is an All Star type talent.  I would put him in the same category as a Beal or McCollum or Holiday or Conley.  Klay Thompson in that group as well.  Pretty sure most of those guys are making max type money. 

To that extent, that’s what the market is paying those guys.  In reality, the Bucks got Giannis at a bit of a discount.  He probably should be paid 7-10MM more a season than he’s making.  I mean, he’s making the same as Steven Adams and Andrew Wiggins! 

The issue to me isn’t paying a guy like Middleton max money.  The issue is paying guys like Henson and Delly and Snell 9-11MM a year.   You simply cannot make deals like that.  The good news is they have two of those guys coming off the books after next year so it frees up money to pay a guy like Middleton. 

But make no mistake about it - Middleton is going to make far more than his 13MM option next year whether it’s with the Bucks or not.  And someone that would be his replacement (free agent) would command the same or more. 

If I am rhe Bucks I make a real attempt to resign Middleton and it’s likely going to be in the 20-25MM per season amount.   If they can’t or won’t they had better go all on for a Klay Thompson or Kahwi and possibly Kemba Walker.  They have to keep some decent talent around Giannis or run the risk of him bailing. 

To me, the real dilemma is what you do with Bledsoe and Brogdon.  That’s the question- what are they worth and what are you willing to pay them?  Not all that different for what Boston is going to have to decide to do with Morris or Rozier.  Decent players IMO but neither what I would consider an All Star type talent. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And is Giannis worth 35MM per season?  He would be but they signed him at 25MM per year. 

Middleton will get an offer in the 25MM range per year.  That’s what All Star type players are earning.  

If the Bucks short change him or don’t make the effort and don’t bring in a competent replacement they are goddamn idiots and may kiss 34 goodbye.  If that happens this team will fade back into the dark ages. 

 

 

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And is Giannis worth 35MM per season?  He would be but they signed him at 25MM per year. 

Giannis wasn’t even an All Star when he signed the deal. That was a good contract for both. $25M is overpaying, but at least it isn’t a max. You want Giannis to leave? Overpay for every ****ing player that can hit a 3. Then they’ll be perfectly mediocre and everyone else will be competing for Larry O’Briens...

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My point is if Giannis signed that deal today he’d be in the LeBron and Curry and Westbrook territory at 35MM+ per year. 

But he’s not and that gives them flexibility to resign a guy like Middleton at the full max if they want to. 

Personally, if they could get him at 4yrs, $110MM with 2019 being more like 20-25MM I would make that deal tomorrow.  They pick up 20MM in 2020 by Delly and Henson dropping off the books so theoretically they could even add another max type player after this season and bring back Middleton. 

There could be some other cheaper options as well.  Marcus Morris is having a very good season for Boston and as a UFA he won’t command 25-30MM per season.   He could play the 3 and is a poor mans Middleton.   I’d still prefer Middleton but that’s an option.  

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